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2 edits | Is anyone really suprised? The **AAs won't aren't going to stop until every type of search or indexing of their material is banned. Yea, I know. What about Google? Don't worry. They'll be sending letters to them as well (if they haven't already)
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| Re: Is anyone really suprised? It seems they always go after what they just found out about. Surprising it took them this long. Not that it will affect anything. Pfft... I can create my own NZBs from scratch, if I want to.
If they go after NZB indexing sites, shouldn't they have started with google.com first? I mean... have they ever typed "warez" or "serials" or anything like that into google? 
All that energy spent on tracking pirates, we could have a cure for cancer, AIDS and Alzheimers already if they only put it towards good use. | |
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| Re: Is anyone really suprised? said by walliser  :It seems they always go after what they just found out about. Surprising it took them this long. Not that it will affect anything. Pfft... I can create my own NZBs from scratch, if I want to. If they go after NZB indexing sites, shouldn't they have started with google.com first? I mean... have they ever typed "warez" or "serials" or anything like that into google? I dunno, seems a pretty smart strategy. After all, who would you sue: someone with really deep pockets who's likely to fight back or someone who can't afford a team of lawyers who's likely to just "roll over"? Besides, you chase the easy ones, first, and you might get the chance of establishing precedent to help you crack the harder nuts.
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1 edit |  Re: Is anyone really suprised?
said by nixen :I dunno, seems a pretty smart strategy. After all, who would you sue: someone with really deep pockets who's likely to fight back or someone who can't afford a team of lawyers who's likely to just "roll over"? Besides, you chase the easy ones, first, and you might get the chance of establishing precedent to help you crack the harder nuts. Precedent or not, harder nuts like Google, MSN, Yahoo! etc. will not give up so easily. I really do hope that RIAA/MPAA are stupid enough to go ahead and sue one of these companies, maybe they'll finally get sued out of existence and the world will become a better place.
Oh yes, and if worst comes to worst, indexing sites and newsgroup providers will move overseas to countries that do not cooperate with RIAA/MPAA, and pirates will continue happily leeching...
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2 edits | Re: Is anyone really suprised? You know the funny thing is, the RIAA (or someone that works with them, we've had a few run-ins with the industry here in Nashville) even hit our Music Store forums, or at least someone from their network did.
They went into our Forums and posted a comment about how we "won't last long" among other things. If you want to read the whole thing go here (it's an old post, but sort of relevant to our topic here) »forums.ind-music.com/viewtopic.php?t=71
The funny thing is, we are not a part of the RIAA organization. Our artists retain control over their music. All we do is sell it. As of late we are doing Licensing deals and Touring, but my point is that things do NOT have to be done the way the RIAA says it does.
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| Re: Is anyone really suprised? I really doubt that that post was a RIAA goon. More than likely it was an enemy of the site, or a troll. The sad thing is that there are many out there that think like that. That the RIAA business plan is the best out there. Thinking like that kills innovation. It's possible that the old model is still viable for the movie industry, but it's dead for music. It's just a matter of time before it is gone. Kinda like the buggy makers when the automobile was first introduced. They fought against ol' Henry. And lookwhere we are now.
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1 edit | Re: NZB Search said by User0101 : Plus the fact that downloaded data is not logged at all. Or so they claim...
I've yet to see a definitive answer to the question of whether or not there is a law that requires NSP's to keep a record of customer downloads.
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| Re: NZB Search It really wouldn't matter if they did or didnt. They cant prove that you actually did it just by the records the NSP has. They have to ether catch you downloading it (i.e. the **AA has to upload to you) or they have to catch you uploading it to them. If they dont, then for all they know you downloaded a fake or miss-named file that just had the name of on of there property's. Only Uploading onto NSP can be dangerous, but i have yet to hear anyone be sued. | |
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1 edit | Re: NZB Search If you download a fake file that is not misnamed they could charge you with intent. There are laws about intent. Watch the **AA's try this angle if they haven't already.
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1 edit | Sooooo......... Theft and facilitation of theft is ok? Just askin is all...cause the material IS copyrighted.... | |
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| Re: Sooooo......... Downloading is not theft. Everybody knows its not theft. Now for the real evil: COPYWRONG. Copyright destroys economies and prevents innovation. Its no longer profitable to invent something in america. Why is all the R&D going overseas? Its not because of labor, its because of more research FRIENDLY climates. America bans certain research, and allows business to copyright mere ideas and general concepts that are loosely applicable to thousands of existing products, throwing them into a legal minefield. Furthermore, America was FOUNDED on copyright infringement. At its start americans took european textile equipment designs and processes without paying the royalties to the european owners. Many pieces of technology were infringed on. Copyright and intellictual property as a whole need to dissapear immediately. The USPTO just approved a patent filed covering "rich media content" on the internet. See slashdot or other news sites. This covers products that have existed for years and is now subjecting them to lawsuits. Great plan. No More CopyWRONG! | |
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| Interesting question, and I am no lawyer, so I can not answer it.
There is however something to be said about personal responsibility. Just bc there are NZBs pointing to warez, does it mean I have to download what the NZB points to?
Am I responsible for what you do if I tell you where to find the local crack whore? (Prostitution being illegal) Personally I don't think so. But we are dealing with the **AAs which annoy *ME* with those anti pirating commercials when all I am doing is watching a movie I *legally* obtained at the videostore or purchased. Pirates don't get to see this sort of crap, funny, ain't it. | |
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| said by gheezer :Theft and facilitation of theft is ok? Just askin is all...cause the material IS copyrighted.... So are you saying that a site that offers to create NZBs based on a search that the user initiates should be shut down? | |
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| Re: Sooooo......... said by Omega :It's not theft, it is copyright infringement. Thank you for remembering that distinction, Omega. I do so tire of these lazy misuses of meaning and concept. It gets society in trouble when everyone is running around with wrong definitions & understandings in their heads. Though it does appear to be the fashion of the day. | |
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1 edit | said by gheezer :Theft and facilitation of theft is ok? Just askin is all...cause the material IS copyrighted.... In which case it's violation of copyright not theft, nothing has been stolen as the original holder of this material is still in posession of it and is not being denied use of it. This has been done to death and is conveniently forgotten by corporate apologists.
This is *not* criminal action, these facists don't bring criminal action they bring civil action, even if they do do their best to make out that they are the law.
Yes I used the word facists these guys don't appear to care about the law in any way, indeed they bribe and 'lobby' (I love the way that 'lobbying' translates to bribery most of the time in the US) to have the law changed for their convenience, and indeed break the law when they see fit.
Kinda scary that we're going that way here as well, is a shame when elected officials pander to private interests though so many of them do that whichever country and continent, don't they?
Personally I think they're wasting their time with .nzb sites. These guys might facilitate theft, but then again so does your ISP by giving you a connection which *can* be used to download copyrighted material.
No probs with them going after the people who share / upload the stuff though, so long as they are doing it legally of course
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| Re: Sooooo......... It's funny how people rationalize to themselves about the way they aquire stuff that isn't theirs and they haven't paid for it.
Call me old fasioned I guess. This is what I teach my children:
If you haven't paid for it, and are not authorized to use it for free, then you are stealing it.
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said by gheezer :It's funny how people rationalize to themselves about the way they aquire stuff that isn't theirs and they haven't paid for it. Call me old fasioned I guess. This is what I teach my children: If you haven't paid for it, and are not authorized to use it for free, then you are stealing it. No offense, but that is poorly worded...
Can you say VCR/DVR? Stealing denies the owner of it's use... it's copying. Slightly different there because the owner still has original and can use it at will.
See attachment, it's a simple Notepad text file with the word Test. I still have the original... the attachment is a copy. I can make unlimited copies. The original will still be on my HDD for me to use at any time.
If you connect to my computer and copy it for yourself, I would still have the original... no theft has occured.
If you were to Move it to your system and it was no longer here for me to use, *THAT* would be theft.
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| Re: Sooooo......... Rationalizations...
You missed an important part, allow me:
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If you haven't paid for it, and are not authorized to use it for free, then you are stealing it."
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| Re: Sooooo......... I aint an apologist for the evil xxAA's. I cannot stand their methods and think their business model was developed with a keen perspective on the big brown eye.
Don't get me wrong..I HATE the xxAA's.
I'm just sayin...call me old fashioned...I don't take soemthing that's not mine to take.
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| Re: Sooooo......... Horse and Buggies are old fashioned. Leaded gas is old fashioned. You admit you are old fashioned.. It's not 'wrong' it's just the way you are. However your kids are a different story.
Lets be realistic, the culture is changing. Do you have any idea what kind of horrible fate you are subjecting your kids to by feeding them the **AA lies? They go to school, all their friends will have all the cool stuff, except your kids will have nothing in comparison. Your kids will be social pariahs, unloved and unwanted by all, seen by other kids as 'related to that preachy fascsist mouthpiece' (or something to that effect)
If you really love your kids, you will teach them how to safely use P2P software. If you really love your kids, you will give them unfettered access to information, and let them decide what is right and wrong. If you really love your kids, and want them to succeed in the REAL WORLD, you'll teach them to grab everything they can, and screw everyone else on the way. They should use their intelligence, power and drive to succeed in a manner that leads to the subjugation of as many people as possible. They should crush the competition with illegal lawsuits, extortion (the X makes it sound cool), and other dirty tricks. They should use the **AA's as their role models, and as it is in the real world, there's only 2 possible results.. Subjugate or be subjugated. That's capitalism in all it's glory. Bask in that which you have sown.
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| Re: Sooooo......... This is what I teach my kids...
"If you don't own it, and aren't authorized to use it, and you are taking it and using it anyways...then you are stealing it."
I don't need any guidance, thank you very much.
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1 edit | I agree. Being sheltered only causes kids to have a sudden and drastic realization of what the real world really is. I have seen many sheltered kids go off to college and become the biggest drinkers ever because they were so sheltered when they were young that they had no idea how to make decisions and know the consequences for their decisions.
I am not saying that P2P is 100% legal, but neither is speeding and how often do most of us do that?
I doubt that we will ever have a clear definition of what stealing is when it comes to file sharing.
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As far as the VCR/DVR issue, if copying anything that is copyrighted is illegal, then don't you think that the companies that make them would have already been sued by RIAA/MPAA? VCRs have been out for how long now and have not been shut down or anything like that? | |
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| Re: Sooooo......... Actually, xxAA tried suing the makers of VCRs, Cassette recorders, and later CD/DVD recorders. In the end, the blank media makers had to give a small percentage of the sale of each blank media, knowing that a small sub-set of the consumers would "pirate" material. With people able to keep such large volumes of media on their computers, xxAA aren't getting their "assumed" stolen merchandice recompence
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4 edits | said by gheezer :Rationalizations... You missed an important part, allow me: " If you haven't paid for it, and are not authorized to use it for free, then you are stealing it." No, you are COPYING it. There is a difference.
Theft/stealing incurs denying the owner of possessing it. Copying does not deny the owner of possession.
theft
n : the act of taking something from someone unlawfully;
stealing
n 1: the act of taking something from someone unlawfully;
n. pl. cop·ies
An imitation or reproduction of an original; a duplicate
EDIT: Here... if I were to put one of your DVDs/CDs into the drive of this laptop, and wait say 20 minutes(CDs are way faster), and I handed the disc back to you... have I stolen anything from you?
You have just been handed back the original disc and I am on my way back home. Once there, I open up any one of MANY players that are installed on this laptop and I point it at a new file... it just happens to be a COPY of the disc I recently had in the drive.
It plays.
I watch/listen to it.
I delete it.
Now, are you able to still open the case and insert that very same disc into your player of choice?. Does it still play?
Do you still have possession of it?
Let's say I placed that disc into my drive without your knowledge, copied it, and put it back into it's case in your rack.
What have you lost? Do you still have the original disc?
Did I actually TAKE anything from you?
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| Re: Sooooo......... Well, I suppose I could point out that you're not authorized to make a copy any more than you are to take the original. That is, until you've paid for it. Once you've paid for it you can do what you want, including making a copy--of something you legitimately own. (EULAs and DMCA be damned)
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| Re: Sooooo......... said by sivran :Well, I suppose I could point out that you're not authorized to make a copy any more than you are to take the original. That is, until you've paid for it. Once you've paid for it you can do what you want, including making a copy-- of something you legitimately own. (EULAs and DMCA be damned) Yeah, but to hear "them" tell you... making a backup is against the DMCA. Decrypting the DVD is a no-no!
Fair use be damned, eh?
I still get a kick out of the fact that my Sony laptop(s) will copy any disc that I put in the drive(s)... with Sony suplied software(not to mention all the "other" softwares I have now)! LOL!
Yeah, I did set it up so that whenever a disc is inserted that it automatically just copies to HDD. Even if you are watching/listening to the disc. After a few minutes, you can remove the disc and it will continue to play!
Yeah, I DO like my VAIOs!
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| Hey, if I merely arrange my bits in the same way someone else arranged their bits, it ain't stealing.
Anyway, since the copyright absolutists have gotten laws passed (and bought judges to keep them in place) making it illegal for me to arrange my bits in certain ways which have nothing to do with their bits, I say to heck with them anyway. Pirating their stuff isn't just not morally wrong, it's a positive thing. Too bad most of it isn't worth the effort. | |
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| Re: Sooooo......... If it's music movies or software for which you haven't paid for the right to use, to me, (and I know it doesn't matter to you, morals have drifted so much), then it's stealing. That makes you a thief. No different than a shoplifter.
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| Re: Sooooo......... If you would like to move ahead in how you raise(d) your kids and teach others, it is important to expand your views of morality to include more crimes and the distinctions between them.
Not everything can be labelled theft. Theft is one legal concept, copyright infringement is another. To call them the same thing is legally incorrect, even if you lump them under the same page heading in your mind. They are both wrong, however.
It's like calling any possible method of taking a human life "murder" even if it's an accident and/or falls under "self-defense" or "manslaughter."
If you lump different crimes and wrongdoings under one simplistic heading, you make it easier for people to rationalize their behavior. If you insist on calling copyright infringement "theft" then you run the risk of someone trying to wriggle out of it by saying "but it's not technically theft because blah blah" then you have to say "yes it is and it's wrong and that's how I raise people, with morality" and although you have a point it is not as strong as it could be.
On the other hand, if you say "theft is wrong, copyright infringement is wrong, and you have no business doing either" it's much harder for the perpetrator to defend their position. That is why it's important not only to know the difference, but to stress the difference, and firmly establish the unacceptability of both.
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| Re: Sooooo......... Playing with semantics is what leads to that "slippery moral slope".
Perhaps in a court of law, the point is valid. When teaching my children about right and wrong, simple is better.
If it ain't yours, and you didn't pay for it, and you're not authorized to use it, but you get it and use it anyways, then you stole it.
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| Re: Sooooo......... said by gheezer :Perhaps in a court of law, the point is valid. When teaching my children about right and wrong, simple is better. I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of your children.
If it ain't yours, and you didn't pay for it, and you're not authorized to use it, but you get it and use it anyways, then you stole it.
There is no "it". Like I said above, all I'm doing is arranging some bits in the same manner in which someone else arranged other bits. | |
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"dont get caught stealing stupids things, if youre gonna steal make sure its worth it."
sounds weird but whenever i thought about nicking something from a local shop those words would always make me think twice. then id steal something anyway.
now of course im a grown-up and im quite happy to breach copyright and use things im not authorized to use.
you can teach them what you want, but outside influences will pollute what you teach them,
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| Re: All these lawsuits based on SC Grokster decision said by Rambo76098 :I think that court wrongfully assumes that P2P's only use is for illegal activities, which is not entirely true. I don't think the court EVER said that P2P was only used for illegal activities. They did say it was it's main use. And that is certainly true. But that is all besides the point. They didn't rule that P2P was illegal. Just that sites promoting it and using it were advocating its illegal capabilities at worst and ignoring and not stopping its contribution to illegal activities at best.
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3 edits | Take the NZB but hands off our newsgroup service, parasites! You, cheap low-life bloodsucking parasites at **AA, you can take NZB sites, who cares but take your disgusting, fat hands off of our newsgroup service.
It's older than this net, it is ours and it will be there always. In case you haven't learned your lessons, losers, you are losing this fight no matter what unless you can turn around and find a new way for yourself in this business.
In this particular case it'd take years and billions for you to even minimally restrict NSPs - and what would you earn?
Nothing because we'd move to use non-US NSPs, so you could shove the fully illegal DMCA up to your stupid corporate asses, losers. 
You guys are the losers here and you will be gone within few years, I bet, due to your inability to adapt, hahaha, idiots.
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| Eldorados
join:2005-11-25 | Re: Take the NZB but hands off our newsgroup service, parasites! Umm... are you insane?
Anyways, they aren't attacking the NSP's, they are attacking the sites hosting NZB file hosting sites | |
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1 edit | Re: Take the NZB but hands off our newsgroup service, parasites! said by Eldorados :Umm... are you insane? What part can't you grasp, fella? I'm here to help, just ask...
Anyways, they aren't attacking the NSP's, they are attacking the sites hosting NZB file hosting sites
Ummm... no shit... really?
Since you obviously can't get it on your own, let me help you out a bit, OK? The point was and still is that attacking NZB sites is most likely just the first step, sooner or later they will attack the newsgroups and that means attacking the NSPs because they are the source.
I hope you can follow this 'very serious' logical chain... | |
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pb5k
more cowbell
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join:2005-11-16
Glendale, AZ | Indeed, but the NZBs are just shortcuts to files on usenet.
Newgroup providers are the next logical step after NZB sites are taken down. | |
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Noobie
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join:2000-08-30
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| Re: Take the NZB but hands off our newsgroup service, parasites! NG's sorry not gonna happen. Not while I'm around anyway keep dreaming. NZB's? are for little kids and adults that act like little kids. So what take them down no big deal. This is nothing but school yard kiddies and adult kiddies getting told to behave.
No replies will be read or answered! So take your little kiddie pot shots now.
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join:2005-09-22
Overland Park, KS
| ok one of the main reasons grokster lost in the supreme court was because they made no attempt to filter content grokster always said it could not be done. All thees sites do have dmca complaint polices. So the job of telling them what filter is on copyright holder not the site. As long as they complay with a takedown notice they in safe harbor provision. | |
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join:2005-11-29 | don't worry Don't worry they close one another two opens.RIAA,... are hard headed they don't know that they can't win.Technology evolves day by day,if they want to live in the last decade let them.:) | |
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join:2002-01-26
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@comcast.net | It's ALL good ! The more scumbag illegal facilitators of Piracy we get off the street and in jail the better. Hopefully law enforcement and judicial bodies around the world will continue to hold these criminals accountable for their actions. | |
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furlonium
Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?
join:2002-05-08
Bethlehem, PA
| Re: It's ALL good ! said by youcanthidefool :
The more scumbag illegal facilitators of Piracy we get off the street and in jail the better. Hopefully law enforcement and judicial bodies around the world will continue to hold these criminals accountable for their actions.
Oh, so it's hsd1.mi.comcast.net, not taylor1? haha! | |
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My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Analog Is Not A Myth
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1 edit | Holy Moley...........
Could this possibly be another one of Dick's hunting buddies?
Eh,wot?
I know...stop feeding the Troll..Oh well!
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Overland Park, KS | it much harder to go after the newsgroup providers newsgroups providers were already given safe harbor by courts back in 2001 | |
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P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
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| When will consumers get what they want? It's well known that the MPAA tried to outlaw
the VCR back in the 80's, yet it became one of their most profitable revenue streams in the end.
So how can we the consumer show the **AA's who are so hell bent on destroying content distribution via the internet, that both sides of this whole thing can win if they'd just listen to the demands of their consumers?
Itunes is the closest we have to giving consumers what they want, but it has major issues. Firstly, you can't for instance download a file from Itunes and expect to play it on say an Iriver Mp3 player which I happen to have, and I shouldn't be forced to buy a specific player just to listen to content I purchased! Also should you have a drive failure, as I've had recently, you can't exactly restore your purchased file back to your system from a backup you may have tried to store elsewhere, because guess what,? The damn thing won't play! These restrictions are in no way what I personally want is a consumer. If I purchase content, I should be able to choose what device I play it on, be it an Iriver mp3 player, a linux computer or whatever the device may be, just as I've been able to play content purchased in the past in whatever brand of device I wanted! Rather than attacking all these sites that are merely search engines and search indexes, why can't these greedy companies with bottomless pockets set up servers which would be connected directly to major internet providers and backbones, and charge either per track or monthly subscription, and allow consumers to obtain non restricted audio and video content that they can play on whatever device they choose! By giving the consumer reliable access to high speed, non_restricted content, both the consumer and **AA's win! Shocking isn't it? Why do you think usenet users enjoy it so much? Because they can download at max speed, and get unrestricted content, allowing them to choose how they play it! So why can't the RIAA/MPAA attempt the same type of business model by setting up their own network of servers and offering consumers what they really want? Both sides would win, so why are the RIAA so unwilling to even atempt such a project? | |
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join:2004-06-07
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| When will consumers get what they want? I disagree with the **AA doing anything like this, they're just putting one more nail in their coffin.
However, I'm just curious here. If I'm downloading a file from newsgroup server in another country, when that information hits a US backbone it is instantly subject to US law yes? I think if they did that they'd shoot themselves in the foot because then all the other countries would make laws that are detrimental to US ISP's, and everyone will segregate back into their own camps and the promise of the Internet (information available anywhere, anytime, to anyone) will be gone.
I really hope that we can do whatever is possible to stop this particular vision of the future . I make my living installing and maintaining networks, and this could really screw up my job prospects. | |
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Long Live The Suite
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clubs: | Re: When will consumers get what they want? big block of text hurts my eyes... paragraphs man, paragraphs... | |
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| said by kd6cae :So why can't the RIAA/MPAA attempt the same type of business model by setting up their own network of servers and offering consumers what they really want? Both sides would win, so why are the RIAA so unwilling to even atempt such a project? Because the RIAA won't be able to charge a customer $15-$20 for one possible two good songs off of a cd, Where the rest of the filler material is shyte.
Besides how many good artist's does the RIAA have.? I can count them on three fingers or less.The shyte they peddle is garbage,we know it and they know it.
The RIAA is pinning their profit margin hopes on "teenyboppers". In an insane attempt kids do not see them for what they are,therefore trying to discourage,young impressionable minds away from the "evil internet", keeping a hold on their out dated business model, at any cost,ways & means possible.
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join:2003-12-24
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join:2004-07-03
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| Re: CDRs DVDRs said by cybercrimes :Ive heard that the RIAA and THE MPAA are geting money from the sales of cdrs Maybe they should sue themselves too. | |
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| said by cybercrimes :Ive heard that the RIAA and THE MPAA are geting money from the sales of cdrs and dvd if thats its true im going to download and burn it to cds Yes it's true for all blank media.Not only that but they have a tax on VCR' DVD players as well as DVD and CD burners.Plus our friends up north in Canada pay much more "RIAA TAX" on those same items we do in the States.Now who is the real thieves and pirates.? Can you spell RIAA,MPAA
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join:2000-08-12
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join:2003-12-24
Phoenixville, PA | Re: CDRs DVDRs when you have money you could do anything.if you dont your worth your nothing | |
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join:2001-09-12
Reno, NV
clubs: | Dont shut me down! RIAA pppppfffffft.
All i want is my porn. | |
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| cybercrimes
join:2003-12-24
Phoenixville, PA | Re: Dont shut me down! RIAA needs to get a life | |
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join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
| to hell with the **AA's the proverbial 'ISH has been hitting the fan for so fricking long, this battle was lost before it was even PLANNED. Like an above poster said, the **AA's attacking sites years, even decades, after the sites been introduced will only serve to make the pirated material be hidde farther underground...and hey, you just gotta love the underground!
Copies of next seasons Soprano's, anyone?
mUHAHAHAHAHHA | |
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| vasta
join:2003-04-07
Orlando, FL | Re: to hell with the **AA's i use supersearch...who cares | |
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join:2003-12-24
Phoenixville, PA | RIAA will cry they will cry if they lose 1.00 | |
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My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
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| First p2p, then ed2k & BT indexing sites.. And now NZB sites. The **AA's are doomed to play whack-a-
mole with this one. For every NZB and BT indexing site
they get DMCA'd off the web, two others will take their
place. They're fighting a losing battle and they know it.
And trying to shut Usenet as a whole is going to be next
to impossible. Sure they may get some providers to take
down infringing content, but the cat and mouse game will
continue no matter what.
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| grandpinaple
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join:2001-11-13
Springfield, MO
| Re: First p2p, then ed2k & BT indexing sites.. Here is the Issue I have with Copyright laws, I was not around nor consulted when these laws were created by people who were far from my peers, Why should I abide to these said laws? Consult me or my peers on a revision of these laws and I may actually even considering reading them.
I don't disagree that that artist should be paid for there works, Tell the artist to contact me directly and I will be happy to work out a fair deal with him or her directly for every peice of work I have ever downloaded (Assuming I have ever downloaded).
However I do disagree that the **AA should get a single cent from anything. Keep in mind any profits being aquired by said suites are more than likely never going to be seen by said artists. Not to mention How many times have the RIAA been guilty of breach of contract themselves. | |
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@comcast.net | Re: First p2p, then ed2k & BT indexing sites.. Trust me, as an artist I would prefer to deal with a company that has my back and will make sure I get paid! Work it out directly with the consumer? HAHAHA! Yeah right. tliloldme | |
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join:2001-11-13
Springfield, MO
2 edits | Re: First p2p, then ed2k & BT indexing sites.. Millions of stores, Restraunts, Sattelite companies, Tv stations, Etc... All over the world deal with the consumers directly.
Not to mention the fact that in dealing with a company, They only have your back as long as they are making money off of YOU!
You only hurt yourself by being afraid to deal with people.
Give me $500K by dealing with a middle man, Or give me a $1.5K by bypassing the middleman. But then again I guess being the middleman is why I drive a brand new BMW every year, Own 3 houses and travel out of the country on vacation whenever I feel like it. So I say thank you for using that middleman:) | |
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RIAA Attacks NZB Sites
All these lawsuits based on SC Grokster decision