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Sherwood, AR | hack the planet! First step toward accomplishment of "hack the planet!" | |
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| Re: hack the planet! said by SilenceGold  :First step toward accomplishment of "hack the planet!" How dare them? We should be the ones 'hacking the planet'  | |
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SilenceGold
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Sherwood, AR | Re: hack the planet! We just beat them...so they're just trying to unmonopoly the current DNS system. | |
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Portsmouth, NH | Re: hack the planet! So much for using voip in China.  | |
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| Re: hack the planet! I'm not sure that it will make a huge difference to VOIP. China is probably going to mirror standard DNS data for the most part and then start deleting or reassigning DNS assignments they don't like. Right now (or at least yesterday), China was blocking IP addresses of sites they don't like.
What is going to get wierd will be if China decides to start reselling domain names, e.g. cnn becoming China NEtwork NEws, etc.
As to VOIP more specifically, I think that will continue to remain a cat and mouse game. Don't, however, underestimate the resourcefulness of the Chineese people. I'm in Hong Kong at the moment and was at a computer centre earlier in the week. Technology was being openly sold designed at tunnelling under the Great Firewall in use in the mainland. (Hong Kong's internet is wide open). Most of the stuff they were selling (I only glanced casually) appeared to have been made in the mainland, (e.g. tunnelling routers, etc.).
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surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08 | They do this because the major ISP's have spam blocks on the whole China IP range. So they want to create there own DNS trying to make a statement to DE-centralize the whole process and make a statement doing so. | |
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Rockin' with Raki
join:2001-10-19
Turkey
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| China tomorrow will launch their own DNS system, with three temporary top level domains, (.CN, .Com and .Net) that will be available only via Chinese networks. Chinese users will be routed directly through the Chinese domestic analysis server, bypassing ICANN entirely. An excellent idea. The Chinese government realizes that unrestricted access to the internet by its citizens is harmful to its citizens. 
On the other hand, I wonder if adding those entries to my firewall rules and hosts file will serve any purpose.
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Salisbury, NC | Bravo, brave "China tomorrow will launch their own DNS system,"
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Not all DNS servers are in the US....not even half are... | |
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join:2004-06-29 | Good luck with that! What exactly is a "Chinese domestic analysis server"? | |
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furlonium
Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by dcurrey :What exactly is a "Chinese domestic analysis server"? If they don't like what you're attempting to access it, you won't. | |
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by furlonium :said by dcurrey :What exactly is a "Chinese domestic analysis server"? If they don't like what you're attempting to access it, you won't. Kinda like what the Bush admin is doing | |
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by Okman :said by furlonium :said by dcurrey :What exactly is a "Chinese domestic analysis server"? If they don't like what you're attempting to access it, you won't. Kinda like what the Bush admin is doing Hmmmm.. Not bad.. The political bashing started pretty quick..
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by ropeguru :Hmmmm.. Not bad.. The political bashing started pretty quick.. I thought it would have started out in a top post. | |
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| said by Okman :said by furlonium :said by dcurrey :What exactly is a "Chinese domestic analysis server"? If they don't like what you're attempting to access it, you won't. Kinda like what the Bush admin is doing Hmmm...according to you, Bush should have blocked your post and put you in jail, just like China. After all, it is subversive to the Bush dictatorship.
Or are you confusing the MPAA/RIAA paid congress with the executive branch?
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by RayW :Or are you confusing the MPAA/RIAA paid congress with the executive branch? YES!!! | |
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join:2001-01-19
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| said by RayW :Hmmm...according to you, Bush should have blocked your post and put you in jail, just like China. After all, it is subversive to the Bush dictatorship. Or are you confusing the MPAA/RIAA paid congress with the executive branch? Wow. From bashing China, to bashing the U.S. government, to bashing the entertainment industry. I wonder if Godwin could ever have anticipated this. I also wonder how much further the thread needs to go before Godwin's law comes into effect. | |
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Put Out The Cat
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Chicago, IL | Re: Good luck with that! You damn nazi.
(there, we can all sleep now). 
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Combat Chuck
Remembering the Past
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by AthlGrond :Dang! Now I don't have a reason to follow the thread... It doesn't count if you do it for the purpose of invoking Godwins law.
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There, now the thread has Bush, China, **AA, and Chuck Norris. Now this thread should be locked. | |
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Put Out The Cat
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Chicago, IL | Re: Good luck with that! Heh...and we got the obligatory Ted Kennedy reference too.
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join:2001-01-19
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| Re: Good luck with that! Chinese Government slam - Check
Bush Administration slam - Check
Congress being bought - Check
RIAA/MPAA doing the buying - Check
Vietnam oppressive - Check
Iran too - Check
Dick Cheney shoots hunters - Check
Nazi/Hilter reference - Check
Ted Kennedy controversy - Check
Chuck Norris reference - Check to the head
Now all we need is:
- Paris Hilton vapid remark
- Liberals/Conservatives bashing
- Bill Clinton's fickle pickle
- Dubai buying American ports
- Britney and Cletus...er... Kevin Federline
- ILEC/CLEC bashing
- Property Taxes
- 9/11 and/or terrorists (or Iraq since it's always on the same subject)
C'mon everybody!! Lets make this the thread every moderator fears! | |
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Combat Chuck
Remembering the Past
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by SRFireside :Chinese Government slam - Check Bush Administration slam - Check Congress being bought - Check RIAA/MPAA doing the buying - Check Vietnam oppressive - Check Iran too - Check Dick Cheney shoots hunters - Check Nazi/Hilter reference - Check Ted Kennedy controversy - Check Chuck Norris reference - Check to the head Now all we need is: - Paris Hilton vapid remark - Liberals/Conservatives bashing - Bill Clinton's fickle pickle - Dubai buying American ports - Britney and Cletus...er... Kevin Federline - ILEC/CLEC bashing - Property Taxes - 9/11 and/or terrorists (or Iraq since it's always on the same subject) C'mon everybody!! Lets make this the thread every moderator fears! Wow, after all of that, all you need is Maury Povich getting a show on a cable news network and you'll have all the signs that the end of the world has begun.
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| Paris hilton is is a liberal commy scum, who was busy watching billy boy get his bj while dubai made the plans to start buying our us ports. My only hope is k fed and britney produce a rap record Bashing Verizon for being a sick vapid money hungry company who' fios and digging is driving up my property taxes..... And damn it its all a plot by osama and the iraqi insurgents to try and take over the world!!!!!
Did i come close ?
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| Re: Good luck with that! Vin Diesel approves of the star.
We're missing some more... | |
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by lopinboy :Vin Diesel approves of the star. We're missing some more... How can we forget...
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Combat Chuck
Remembering the Past
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| said by BosstonesOwn :Did i come close ? Gee thanks...now I gotta go find an umbrella that can handle brimstone. Jerk.
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| said by SRFireside :said by RayW :Hmmm...according to you, Bush should have blocked your post and put you in jail, just like China. After all, it is subversive to the Bush dictatorship. Or are you confusing the MPAA/RIAA paid congress with the executive branch? Wow. From bashing China, to bashing the U.S. government, to bashing the entertainment industry. I wonder if Godwin could ever have anticipated this. I also wonder how much further the thread needs to go before Godwin's law comes into effect. Actually, if you would read the note, I was pointing out that if Bush really was as dictatorial as China's leaders like the poster posting as okman thinks, then he (said by Okman :said by furlonium :If they don't like what you're attempting to access it, you won't. Kinda like what the Bush admin is doing ) would be in jail. But since we have not heard of that happening...........
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Chicago, IL | Re: Good luck with that! I swear I learn something new every day. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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| said by RayW :Hmmm...according to you, Bush should have blocked your post and put you in jail, just like China. After all, it is subversive to the Bush dictatorship. Hmmm. Don't speak too soon. Okman seems to have disappeared without a trace!
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If you feel censorship is so bad here than move to China, Vietnam or Iran and see how well you can bitch about your leaders there. I mean really, you don't know how good you have it here in the US.
I mean I know life is tough here with all of the political freedoms like free speech, freedom of religion and right to posses fire arms. I also know it can be a little troubling not living under a martial military type dictatorship where the government's goons will come make you disappear. I also understand your plight living in a society that practices due process and law and trial by jury to ensure you get a fair chance for justice. I mean I really feel bad for the fact that you don't have to undergo compulsory service in the military and it's a volunteer force and that you can protest anywhere you want even in front of the Nation's Capitol without being run over by Army tanks.
America does suck...low taxes, low unemployment, capitalist society where I can read the Bible, Koran or Penthouse without being persecuted by religious police. Another thing that gets me going is this whole I can elect my officials by going to the polls and voting is awful too, I mean why can't my leaders be picked for me where I have no say in how the government is run at all?
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by bentman78 :here we go..... If you feel censorship is so bad here than move to China, Vietnam or Iran and see how well you can bitch about your leaders there. I mean really, you don't know how good you have it here in the US. It never fails. Whenever someone posts anything that dissents/questions authority/points out issues or problems they have with the way things are happening in the USA.... someone always has to reply with the low-brow response of "If you don't like it, you should move to Cuba/China/North Korea/Iran/Iraq/Zimbabwe/any other random country/blah blah blah.
I'm sure glad we have people here in the USA who still question what the Government (and others!) are up to! That's a requirement of a free country if you ask me.
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Combat Chuck
Remembering the Past
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by KrK :I'm sure glad we have people here in the USA who still question what the Government (and others!) are up to! That's a requirement of a free country if you ask me. I wouldn't exactly call someone who when backed into a corner fires off:
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Kinda like what the Bush admin is doing
outta the blue for no real reason with no real support of his argument as a patriot freedom fighter, risking his life questioning the government.
That was blatant mindless Bush bashing plain and simple. The reply to it was simply a stupid reaction to the stupid statement.
I don't embrace or defend the people with stupid arguments who happen to have wound up on my side of the issue; I don't know why you guys do.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| said by Okman :Kinda like what the Bush admin is doing Heh... looks like we found Dick Cheney's next hunting partner!
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Yonkers, NY | Re: Good luck with that! "Heh... looks like we found Dick Cheney's next hunting partner!"
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Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by JKonline :"Heh... looks like we found Dick Cheney's next hunting partner!" I would rather hunt Quail with Cheney then go for a ride with Ted Kennedy. Of course. Cheney is stupid and similis simile gaudet... :D | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by kamm :said by JKonline :I would rather hunt Quail with Cheney then go for a ride with Ted Kennedy. Of course. Cheney is stupid and similis simile gaudet... :D Ted Kennedy kills people when he drives.
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| said by furlonium :If they don't like what you're attempting to access it, you won't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't they just plug in the IP into whatever they wish to browse, rather than the full web address?
DNS resolves names, ie. broadbandreports.com , into IP addresses. If you had the hard IP of a server you wished to access outside of China (assuming it's not blocked), wouldn't it bring you there? (again, assuming someone's not on their Intranet w/ the same IP) | |
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I thought an IP address was unique where DNS simply resolves names in to unique IP's. | |
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Combat Chuck
Remembering the Past
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| Re: Good luck with that! said by averagedude :I was thinking something very similar. I thought an IP address was unique where DNS simply resolves names in to unique IP's. But, how are you gonna get the IP address without DNS. It's not impossible, but a lot harder.
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Cream Ridge, NJ | Re: Good luck with that! I think they may also run into problems with sites that use third party load balancing services. | |
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| It means that when you plug in something like »:/www.whatever.com into your browser in China, your ISP's DNS tables will be based on China's domestic ones that have been sanitized by the government. You can do some really scary things with something like this. For example, if you want to lock out a foreign company from e-business in your country, you redirect all requests for www.amazon.com to a domestic bookstore. If you find a site that regularly bad mouths your country, have the DNS entry redirect to a government run site. Maybe just the usual 404 error message, or if you want to be really creative, have your people create a site that's a visual clone of the original, but YOU control the content. All of a sudden, Amnesty International thinks China's doing a bang up job of dealing with political prisoners.
This isn't even a new idea. Corporate intranets with external internet access do this a fair bit, only on a smaller scale. Request a corporate site, and you get faster access because it's being served from a local machine in the building instead of the online one that everyone else sees. Request something inappropriate and it's blocked -- cuts down on employees checking out porn and online poker on company time. | |
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| Question I am by no means an expert on DNS, so I have a general question - that some of the more knowledgeable people on this forum might laugh at. But regardless of the ridicule I might get, I am curious - if China is doing there own DNS and according to the article linked to, using .EDU, .MIL, .COM and other current top level domains - if a person in China was to register and existing .COM name (like BBR for example) - how does that work? Will China basically cut internet access to non-Chinese site creating in essence a giant INTRANET? Or am I completely misunderstanding the technicalities of how this works? | |
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Okman
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Derch
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