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 RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs: | Cost is one issue Cell phones cost too much already. While some people like the idea of all-in-one, I have always preferred a choice instead of being locked into one item/company for everything.
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|  | MrMullen
join:2005-06-22
San Diego, CA | Re: Cost is one issue What someone needs to is release a iPod Cell Phone that holds 20Gigs of music that is on the 3G network where they can buy music from iTunes and not pay $5 a song.
Oh ya, I have to own the music and be able to upload MY music to it. | |
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Geminimind
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join:2003-12-20
Sacramento, CA | One word stupid just give me good phone service and not a bunch of crap | |
| | | RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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 ·XMission
| Re: Cost is one issue A friend of mine has a service I would love. $12/month, 60 minutes prime time, (forget what the off time is), and usable anywhere in the areas that the company serves. All he has to do is buy his own phone whenever his dies, which he finally did last year. Just plain old communications. Problem is, it is a grandfathered lifetime service contract that he got many years ago  .
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | V Cast not worth the $15/mo I've had a Verizon wireless phone with V Cast on it for a few months now, and the service just isn't worth the $15/mo they're charging for it. I plan on dropping it, well...today..... | |
| Hugh Dunnit
join:2005-06-17
Danbury, CT
| phones are overpriced and change too often The new technologies require new phones, which in many cases are $300-$500 dollars and become outdated in 6 months. If you sign up for a new carrier or a new contract they eat some of that cost, but how many people want to do this on a consistent basis?
I would guess the majority of people are fine with their current phone that simply makes calls, and maybe takes a blurry picture or two.
If you had the option of a new "multi-media" phone or a video iPod (soon to be with 4in screen) I'd pick the ipod. | |
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tapeloop
1959. I try to kick the ball. I miss.
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join:2004-06-27
Airstrip One
| Re: phones are overpriced and change too often said by Hugh Dunnit  :If you had the option of a new "multi-media" phone or a video iPod (soon to be with 4in screen) I'd pick the ipod. Makes sense. If I had the choice between buying a blender with a toaster built in or a toaster oven, I'd get the toaster oven. 
Okay, bad comparison. Forgive me, it's early.
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| | | | | macken 657
join:2006-01-29
Ballwin, MO | agreed - I enjoyed the movie 'war of the worlds' on the big screen, but I think the effect will be lost on a 2" screen | |
| | | MrMullen
join:2005-06-22
San Diego, CA | Re: Silly stuff No matter what screen size you show "War of the Worlds" on, it will still suck. | |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27 | yeah, silly. Here I am, saving fora new 55" HDTV, and the industry thinks that I want a 1.5" video player...
Another, "let's take an old idea, make it smaller and new, and charge for it!"
(blech, coffee at work is awful) | |
| competence
join:2004-11-24
123456 |  >>>Older Generations
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| | chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| Re: >>>Older Generations VCast priced... yes.. but good service... ask my wife that spends over 10 hrs a week at ice skating, ballet, and swiming class with my daughters... There is so much you can do. But at least with VCast she can watch some fun stuff.. yes she can read a book... but she is not a reader...
I have a treo 700w and I enjoy streaming live news on it when I'm on travel or at my lunch...
Is just a matter of preference,,, some may prefere to pay 300 bucks for a 30gig iPod and store X amount of music they will never listen. or Pay $400 and have a cell, video player, mp3 player, mobile email access, PDA, Word Editing, Power Point, PDF reader...... | |
| | | chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
1 edit | Re: I don't know about you.... I understand what your coment about a "phn is a phn". But when I think about Cell Phones, I'm thinking about a mobile device and the more thnings it can do for me (assuming it performs GOOD) the better for me.
I used to carry, and mp3 a planer and my laptop, mainly for accessing email. Now, I will even live the laptop for short trips...
My Treo has a 2 gig SD Memory and 1 gig of music that I DO LISTEN instead of 5000 tracks that well... just do the math.
For many a cell phn will be just that a cell phn as you mention. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| Re: I don't know about you.... I agree with you both. I want my phone to be best at its primary function which is making calls. However, I'd like my Dell DJ MP3 player to do more than an it currently does and also wish my laptop was just a little more mobile.
So, I'm eagerly waiting to get an upfront and personal look at this new device from Microsoft (the Origami Project) when it is released. I'm hoping that it will become my new MP3 player/media storage/calendar/E-mail/Internet access device. | |
| | | | chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| Re: I don't know about you.... I read about that... it will be nice... I saw a video, a freind sent me a link.. it can connect to your mce pc... gps capabilities and a lot of more things... as long as the size of the device is reasonable (price we know it wont be) it may be a hit. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
1 edit | Re: I don't know about you.... Sorry, double post. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA | Yeah I saw the vido as well. I'm just hoping that it can do all the things MS claims. The size looks perfect for me.
Anyone interested can find it at youtube under Origami Project. | |
| | competence
join:2004-11-24
123456 | thats why they have those cheap basic phones, no one told you, you had to buy a phone to advanced for you. | |
| jbjetta
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join:2004-07-23
Laurel, MD
| Its all about cost The reason US users don't care is cost. I am with VZW and either I wait till this winter to get my $100 off on an upgraded phone, or spend 400 retail and loose my discount for "upgrading early" (yeah I like that deal.) on top of the 14.99 a month for VCAST, 9.99 a month for text messaging that I actually like to use. And a reasonably sized phone plan and your bill is easily over 100 a month.
Given the retail cost of phones in Japan and Korea and their pricing structures, its no wonder why they adopted all of this faster. | |
| | desreversti
join:2002-09-03
San Antonio, TX
| Re: Its all about cost I remember reading yesterday that some South Korean mobile phone operators created some unlimited phone data packages recently with the cheapest one clocking in at $31 a month (if I remember correctly) after some teen killed himself for racking up data charges over the $2,000 mark. The article might have been on engadget or some place like that.
Personally, I am grandfathered into Ev-do and I pay nothing for that and unlimited text messaging. However, Sprint charges 15/mo. for their ev-do phone service (and for any line on a plan that has ev-do or any data services, the cost is cut in half) as opposed to the article which suggests quite a bit more (probably based off the price of a connection card with its monthly usage). Personally, I use my data services a lot with my pocket pc. I can stream all my music at a bitrate of 128kbit up to 256kbit for the most part and combined with my FM transmitter, I rarely use CDs. I also watch cable tv on my PPC-6700 for free via Orb. In fact, I am writing this reply from it. Of course though, whenever I goout on a run, I use my flash-based mp3 play since it is a bit lighter.
On one last note, I looked at a brochure for Cingular's data plan and they were pitiful. Only a few megabytes a month with a high cost? I at least get 1-1.5gb a month of usage just using my phohe. | |
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Pz_
join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
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| Where have I heard that before? Oh yes, with HSI as well. Just like everything else that these US companies do, they want us to pay more to get less.
I don't think I am the target audience anyway. I have never (nor will I ever) pay $2.99 for a ringtone or buy a wallpaper or anything else that they are offering. I have copied everything I want through a data cable or bluetooth. (when not crippled by the manufacturer) Even then it just slows me down a bit. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
 ·Bright House
| Particularly don't care I particularly don't care about downloading music and videos. I have Verizon and the V cast service is not even available in my area. The real problem I have with Verizon is I can't transfer the mp3's I already own to the cell phone. My phone has the option to use a external card which I heard Verizon disables.
When are companies going to learn that giving customers more choices makes a better customer. | |
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BillRoland
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join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
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| Makes sense I've said it before and I will say it again: the majority of people want a phone that works best as a phone. SMS and MMS are niche markets, as are other "premium" services. 3G availability is not going to create a voracious appetite for music and video services from cell companies. Who wants to listen to music on a hollow sounding cell phone (I guess with ear phones it would sound better) or try to watch video on a 2 inch screen, much less pay for it?
The fact of the matter is that these companies are trying to create a market that doesn't exist.
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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Fort Worth, TX
1 edit | Re: Makes sense said by BillRoland :I've said it before and I will say it again: the majority of people want a phone that works best as a phone. SMS and MMS are niche markets, as are other "premium" services. 3G availability is not going to create a voracious appetite for music and video services from cell companies. Who wants to listen to music on a hollow sounding cell phone (I guess with ear phones it would sound better) or try to watch video on a 2 inch screen, much less pay for it? The fact of the matter is that these companies are trying to create a market that doesn't exist. I couldn't have said it better. Excellent post!
I'm 48 yrs old. I love technology, but a lot of this stuff today I wouldn't have if it was given to me. All I need is a phone that works, and allows me to make calls. I really don't even need a camera in my phone.
As far as music goes, I listen to my own CDs at home, in the car and at work. I have no need for an MP3 player at all.
As for video, I've got a DVD player, Tivos, and a VCR at home. That's all I need.
I use a computer 10 hours a day at work, and then at home. I build my won desktops, and have no need for a laptop.
I have a Canon A95 camera that is all I presently need in a camera.
What I do NEED from these service providers and phone makers is a more durable and reliable phone. A phone that is more damage resistant. A phone that I don't have to worry about static, dropping calls or poor signal quality.
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| amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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| how come.... nobody has mentioned the one thing that this really is...
a stop gap measure before we finally have 2-way full duplex video phone capability. that's the one use for it that I see. Sure having an mp3 player built in would be kinda neat, but what if I want to keep listening to music WHILE I'm on the phone???
Doesn't work that way from what I gather... that's why those 2 devices will remain seperate for me... If I'm driving for instance, and had this phone plugged into my car stereo, listening to 9billion songs while I'm on the road to Mars, I don't want to push pause while I talk, I want that music playing in the background, or turned OFF entirely by my own free will. If it's someone I DON'T want to talk to, I DEFINITELY want the tunes to keep playing...
Camera feature is kinda neat, but I would rather have a nice cybershot, or the minolta equivalent type camera that just takes good pictures no matter how inept I may be with cameras...
Sure, I love gadgets and all that, but I don't watch much tv as it is... I simply can't imagine experiencing say, Battlestar Galactica on a 2" VIEWFINDER SIZED screen either on an ipod, or a telephone.
Anyone desperate to watch shows about 'reality' or housewifes, swapping etc. needs to take a trip to Colorado or something, get out and experience their own reality instead of living in such a material world.
I wish to make calls, recieve them, ocasionally text, and that's about it. I like the fact that phones have the following features:::
1. an OFF button
2. a removeable battery so you can replace the little suckers when they go out.
3. A microphone
4. A speaker (speakerphone option is also cool)
5. a clock
6. calendars/alarms...
7. a phonebook/contact list
8. ANALOG capability (even though batteries weren't designed for them... I almost miss my old nokia) because there are still MILES of territory that is ONLY covered by good old fashioned, far reaching, life saving, analog towers.
9. Caller ID.
That's it. No more. If it had video capabilities, I would like for it to be able to do it in real time.
Imagine being able to show people what you were doing instead of just describing... "who's at the party???" .."these idiots...let's meet out somewhere else.." | |
| gudel
System Lord
join:2004-06-03
Santa Barbara, CA
·Cox HSI
| video? I don't really care about video cell phone either.
the damn thing does cost a lot. $200-$300? Just give me a great coverage and a phone that works as a phone!
I'm not too thrilled watching porn in a 2x2 screen  | |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| Just like the old adage... don't put your eggs in one basket.
when your phone/mp3 player/video player/coffee maker is one device, and it breaks, all those things break.
just like your stereo: back in the day, you could buy an "all in one" Soundesign POS that had all the components in one unit. that made no sense as when one component broke, the whole unit was useless.
keeping your components seperate means when one breaks, the others still work. why is this so hard? oh yeah, the media wants me to spend $500 to turn my perfectly good phone into a 1.5 inch Tv. hooray. | |
| | itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
| Re: Just like the old adage... quote:
just like your stereo: back in the day, you could buy an "all in one" Soundesign POS that had all the components in one unit. that made no sense as when one component broke, the whole unit was useless.
Poor analogy. I had a Fisher all in one. Cost $300 or so back in the day (one of the first CD player integrated units in '86). Couple years later the Tape deck broke. Got it fixed. $75 later I was as good as new. Still worked until I gave it to Salvation Army in December of 05.
Difference is today the unit is $100 and the repair is $150. Disposable society that we have become.
That being said, I have no use for video on my Motorola's 2" screen. So, now my battery life goes from 3 days to 1 day? No thanks.
Not to mention the video is not even 30 frames per second, so it's quite jerky.
Or the fact that Verizon is a poor service (great marketing hype, poor service) and their phones are crippled worse than any other. | |
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yock
TFTC
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| Re: A solution in search of a problem said by Bobcat :I just want a damn telephone. I don't want a camera. I don't want video. I don't want music. Just let me buy a damn phone!  Tell me about it. I'm a single adult working full time trying to go to college. You have any idea how disheartening it is having to replace of all things a cell phone and not a damn one is under $200? They don't give huge discounts on equipment mid-contract and these things aren't exactly built-to-last...
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TroyB10
@frb.org
| Make it do something an Ipod doesn't, and I might bite If it is just a poor Ipod that holds maybe 100 songs, what is the point? Everyone who wants an mp3 player, has one, and they hold a lot more than that.
I also have no desire to buy music over the air. It is much easier to do it from a real computer, with a real interface.
But, if they could stream high quality feeds from Sirius or XM over their 3G networks, or something comparable, that would be cool. If I could hear Sirius's left of Center, and live pro sports everywhere I get cell phone coverage, I'd pay $20-30/month. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| it is funny reading the naysayers "i just want a phone....blah blah blah"
have you actually used a device that does more than phone functions and actually works well? I have, and I can tell you once you do you won't want to go back.
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| | rotbau
join:2000-08-24
Minneapolis, MN
| Re: it is funny reading the naysayers said by inteller :"i just want a phone....blah blah blah" have you actually used a device that does more than phone functions and actually works well? I have, and I can tell you once you do you won't want to go back. Yeah I have. Somethings are great, making a quick video or snapping a couple pictures when you don't have a real camera available.
But then go try to pop into a coffee shop and check your work email, opps WLAN disabled by the cell phone carrier so you can pay through the nose and used their crappy data service. Try to load up your own video or music using bluetooth...nope bluetooth hobbled by the phone company so it only works with a headset.
If you want to be spoon fed all your content through your provider I guess they are fine. If you want to use the device in your own way, with your own stuff...forget it.
my .02 | |
| | | itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
| Re: it is funny reading the naysayers quote:
But then go try to pop into a coffee shop and check your work email, opps WLAN disabled by the cell phone carrier so you can pay through the nose and used their crappy data service. Try to load up your own video or music using bluetooth...nope bluetooth hobbled by the phone company so it only works with a headset.
That's one of the reasons I left Verizon for Cingular. The V710 debacle plus the unusuable service (prior it was great) made me go to Cingular. Much better phones that I can use when and how I want. Much better service that actually works reliably. | |
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woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | hmmm..... Do the demographics.....the one's that want this, for the most part are not the ones paying for it....Kids........their parents do..... JMT:D:D:D
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DownTheShore
Tar and Feather Joe Lieberman
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join:2003-12-02
Beautiful NJ
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| Been There, Done That... I got one of those hand-held TV's when they first came out affordably (late 70's, early 80's?). The thing has been sitting unused in a closet since just about then. Once the novelty wears off, it's just a pain to watch because you lose all detail due to the small size of the screen. For me, that would be an unnecessary accessory for a phone.
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| Cell Phones Cell phone video is stupid. The only features that I see as useful (but don't bother using myself) are voice (obviously), text messaging (sms,aim,e-mail), picture/video camera. Receiving video on your phone to watch a music video is stupid in my opinion. But that's only my opinion.
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shaner
Premium
join:2000-10-04
Calgary, AB
1 edit | Think about it for a second. The article says 2/3rds aren't into mobile video, music.
That means 1/3 is into it. 33%. Anytime you have the potential to sell a value added product or service to over 30% of either your existing customer base, or maybe even have a chance of attracting 33% more new customers because you offer a service they're interested in....
well, that's a shot any company is going to take. Anything which incrementally increases your ARPU is going to be chased after.
You, as a customer, can say no to these features.
I'm with Bell Mobility in Canada, and compared to what I'm seeing as feature bundles for this type of service in the States, we must be doing somethng right.
For $20CDN/month, you get Unlimited TV, Unlimited Mobile Browser, Unlimited Text Messaging, Voicemail, and call Display. And the phones they run on are $99 on a 3 year term.
I can't believe what you guys are paying for this stuff.
EDIT:Oh, and I forgot to mention. During the Olympics, on our streaming TV phone (Samsung a920), you could watch a live feed of the Olympic games from CBC. I was watching the hockey game while walking around the grocery store. For free. I didn't have to pay any extra for the live feed. Now, think about this for a minute. How much would people pay to have this kind of access to an NFL game? There is a future to this technology. Don't judge it's usefulness based on the first hiccups. | |
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customerid653
@verizon.ne
| Re: Think about it for a second. ok....
how about they stop with this bs about phones with everything on them and work on call clarity, and call signal strenght even more or wait wait cheaper phones that will break within 6 months like the expensive $300-$500
I didnt put insurance on my phone the day i bought it and signed my contract, called 2 weeks later because i decided i wanted it just in case and i can't get their bs fraud insurance anyways, that really isn't insurance but a scam
i hate i can't put my own ringtones(mp3/wav/midi format)
i hate the vcast crap
i hate that for using aim on my phone i get charged minutes AND text msg allowance
i hate that checking my voice mail waists my minutes
i hate that the "taxes" keep going up every month
i hate the extensive control verizon has over my phone when i paid for it.
i hate the verizon wireless banner
i hate that uploading an mp3 not downloaded by the verizon "service" voids the manufacturers warranty on the verizon network
i hate that the bluetooth is not fully implemented(mad stuff is blocked by verizon software)
and more 2 bad i am on a 2 year contract. My job also is highly dependent on verizon wireless "IN" network when we talk to each other or i would go to another providor
verizon wireless "how can i control YOUR cellphone" | |
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