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Company Pitches Lag Killing PC Card
'We are to online games what 3D video cards are to graphics'
by Karl Bode Wednesday 08-Mar-2006 tags: hardware · gaming
Texas startup Bigfoot Networks wants to convince already cash-strapped PC gamers that they should spend yet more money on a "Network Gaming Accelerator card" that will kill on-line "lag". Before they can convince gamers to buy hardware they probably won't need, they need to convince them "lag" isn't what we've all assumed it was, performance degradation due to latency or server congestion.

To do this, they've released a super-scientific White Paper (pdf) that first claims "lag", has no definition. They then go on to kindly provide their own all encompassing definitions - which includes ghosting and other in game phenomenon. While it's clear that most causes of lag are outside the player's control, Bigfoot wants to convince gamers otherwise: that most gaming "lag" occurs at the client & server side CPU level.

They've apparently sold investors on the idea, having just grabbed four million in funding for their network gaming accelerator card. The idea also won them $100,000 at a tech-incubator competition recently held at the University of Texas. The idea also won the inventors $5,000 in Fortune Small Business magazine's third annual business-plan contest.

"Bigfoot Networks products will infuse online gaming with blazing speed, making them a ton more fun," claims CEO Harlan Beverly. "We are to online games what 3D video cards are to graphics: essentially. Eventually, we plan to completely eliminate the dreaded lag monster."

Amusingly, no actual technical details surrounding the card have been released to the public. The closest technical specs we could find were from a Fortune report, which claims the card "communicates with servers, downloading some of the processes that they perform online and allowing them to run faster, thus speeding up online games."

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Chosen13

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Sounds fishy to me

Will likely come bundled with Duke Nukem Forever.

-Chosen1

MxxCon

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Brooklyn, NY

Re: Sounds fishy to me

please don't confuse snake oil recipes with vaporware:)

53059959
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PwnZone
I guess this card makes things go faster then the speed of light
LoftyDan

join:2002-10-22
Winnipeg, MB

Re: Sounds fishy to me

Don't forget that it also turns on the long awaited priority packet bit so your bits arrive faster and lag free.

aztecnology
O Rly?
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I wonder if this works with the phantom...

Karl Bode
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Re: Sounds fishy to me

This card, in the phantom, juice-boosted!

AthlGrond
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Re: Sounds fishy to me

Good call on the related articles.

You will also notice that the company name "Bigfoot" is a mythical creature more associated with hoaxes than with reality.
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dispatcher21
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Crap!

This is crap!!! Why cant I get $4million to make up some stuff about things that investment bankers dont know about?

TScheisskopf
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Re: Crap!

Having spent a little time in the bizarre and eldritch world of vulture...errm...venture capitalists and tech weenies, I can tell you that it is absolutely amazing the things that get funded and things that don't get a dime. Utter vaporcrap gets office wine cellars and G-IV jets and good stuff goes into the crapper. Every day.

Don't even try to make sense of it, you'll only give yourself a dissecting cerebral anurysm.

click_310
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Re: Crap!

said by TScheisskopf:

Utter vaporcrap gets office wine cellars and G-IV jets and good stuff goes into the crapper. Every day.
I concur that.
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MxxCon

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But will it

cure my foot fungus?!
because that's the reason why MY games lag
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So?

I am only interested if this card can bypass the so called 2 tier Internet service blockade and give me good service even if Square and Blizzard decide not to pay my ISPs extortion service fee.
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Tsume
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Re: So?

I dunno about Square, but Blizzard has a hard time keeping their own network problems with AT&T (run a tracert to any blizzard-owned server in the US and you'll see they use AT&T) under control. Every once in a while, my good friends and I start lagging in WoW. We know it isn't our connections (COX, Adelphia, and RoadRunner) so we run a tracert to us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com and notice that as soon as it hits the FIRST AT&T server on the way latency usually makes a nice 500+ ms jump when problems are occuring. Keep in mind myself and most of my friends are in So. Cal. so there should be no distance issues. (Blizzard is in Irvine.)
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Aleck79

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College Station, TX

Uhhh, unauthorized access?

quote:
"..communicates with servers, downloading some of the processes that they perform online..."
quote:
If this means what I think it means, it seems this is just exploiting a weakness in some games, and just beggin to be taken advantage of by people who want to cheat. If you computer sends back some slightly altered data, would it mean you never die?

Karl Bode
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Re: Uhhh, unauthorized access?

I think they're planning to include some anti-cheat technology in cards, to help sell it on the developer side....of course to sell it on the gamer side they'll need to spew oodles of BS, but that's the American sales way....

BonezX
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Re: Uhhh, unauthorized access?

their trying to turn it into a distro computing for game servers.

here's the thing, it can be done with software OR the host can actually go out and get a FREAKING DECIENT SERVER THAT DOESN'T CONSTANTLY CRASH BECAUSE THE COMPANY HAS THEIR HEAD SO FAR UP THEIR COLLECTIVE ASSES THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND INTERNAL ROUTING.

remember, when trying to scam someone, make sure they don't know that the term lag is a spinoff of latency, which does have a meaning.

Latency
"The time between initiating a request for data and the beginning of the actual data transfer."

"Network latency is the delay introduced when a packet is momentarily stored, analyzed and then forwarded."

bolth can be related to and "blamed" on the general congestion of the internet, the hosts internal network, and the users ISP routing.

lemekim
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Sometimes I wonder...

Sometimes I wonder how some dumb ideas can get that much funding.

Seriously... For 4 million I could make a cross-platform device that would protect you from any possible infection over internet, ranging from adware to viruses and trojans! Through highly advanced cutting-edge technology, the device will block all potentially threatening access to your computer. Click on the link to see the first prototype for this device!

Prototype SCSR1

On second thought, I probably shouldn't have posted this - what if they try to market this as well? =(
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Already been done.

This already exists. It's free. Optionally, you can pay a one-time fee of $10 for the premium plan.

Click here to solve all client-side problems.

Jovi

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Mount Joy, PA

Waste of money

This is absoulte BS. Any hardcore gamer knows the difference between video/hardware lag and internet latency. Try playing on a top notch gaming machine and play on 30 ping and then try that on 200+ ping. Big difference. Get off your 56k connection and upgrade your box.
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Kibbles
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Re: Waste of money

I wonder does anyone in that Company Play and MMORPG or FPS Game.
I wonder can their Card "Magically" eleminate the "Lag" caused by a Server's CPU runing at 100%..or are they just going to say.."Try another Server".
My e-mail to them asked.

Will the Card "fix" dropped packets?

In a MMORPG Game such as SWG a lot of Lag is caused by all the different Characters loading up as well as the Server updating the Zone...how will their Card know what you are about to do?

I assume the card will work best with Games that use "Client side prediction" but will it help someone using a PC with a P5 500,TNT Video card playing Q4?

Julio
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they should

market this to people who still think AOL = teh interweb. PC Gamers are not stupid people and will not fall for this obvious pitifull attempt to take a gamers money.
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Fishie

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People will buy it!

Things like this get funded because they know people will buy it. Look how many people buy viagra through spam...And no I don't!
GigahertZ420

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Re: People will buy it!

Do they have a patent submitted or pending? Because if they do not, they don't deserve a dime of that 4 million.
ColateralDMG

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Re: People will buy it!

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CPM
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2006-2007 vaporware award goes to.

Bigfoot Networks.

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technically...

This could work in a sense, if it acts as a QoS for a LAN. It would give priority to the gamer traffic, as opposed to your room mates bit torrent traffic.

You can have 1.5mb/384kb....but your gonna bottleneck the minute your upload is saturated, no matter what your download is.

But as a standalong version, I agree, it's impact would be minimal and easily duplicated by free programs such as Dr.TCP.
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Freezone

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Re: technically...

A router would work better than a card I am sure.

Bill
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They're assuming the problem is on your LAN. That's not always true. There are some really bad servers out there that'll lag no matter what you do because they're run in some kids basement on a DSL or cable connection.

There's nothing you can do about that other than picking a new server to play on.

envoid

join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA

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Ivorypaper

That supposed "whitepaper" is written by the president and CEO of bigfoot. How does that make it legit? And the cover page makes it so no one can take it seriously (c'mon, a fro'd whiteguy looking mad and frustrated??) And I love this quote:
said by "whitepaper" :
Lag could be loosely defined today as everything bad that happens in an online game. It's become like an online curse word.
LOL Yeah it can, if you want to redefine WTH it means!

And this is just off the wall!!
said by "whitepaper" :
Lag has no definition. It is a slang term that online gamers have been using since the early days of online gaming to represent anything ‘funky’ going on in an online game. Today, anything bad that happens in an online game is called Lag.
My computer crashed, it was "Lag". You're a damn idiot, must be "Lag". And I just redifined "funky"... it now means anytime there is an off-sync from the client and server.

Now, is it me or did he not reference his points and just added references to make it look good? I only found one superscript and it was for "Misc. Internet Data."

I'm guessing we'll be seeing the comm... er... infomercials for this between 2am and 5am Sunday nights?

Add: He "filed over 19 patents in the field of Network Acceleration" while at Intel. So he filed 20? And does this mean he filled out the forms and sent them in? A play with words is the marketer's calling card. But if he used these patents, they're owned by Intel and would be infringing. Hmm, maybe he'll be going away!

oliphant
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Yeah, uh huh

Snake oil

mmickk

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Re: Yeah, uh huh

Hey.....I already bought that bridge!!
BosstonesOwn

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Re: Yeah, uh huh

said by mmickk:

Hey.....I already bought that bridge!!
Did you buy the upper portion or the lower ? I own the lower portion and plan on installing tolls. My salesman told me it was the greatest IDEA EVER!!!
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Fluker

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thoughts

First I was thinking that this card had the ability to skip the last mile and tie you directly into the nearest oc3

Then I realized that it uses "pre-emptive computing". For those of you who don't know what this is, sending packets before they exist and constructing those that haven't yet been created is quite simple - The other guy won't know what hit him once you've got your 0ms ping on.

</being stupid>
Aleck79

join:2003-07-23
College Station, TX

Re: thoughts

nope it uses Accelerated Fiber. basically being that fiber is already traveling at the speed of light, accelerated fiber moves faster than that, meaning faster than the speed of light. Now being that it moves faster than the speed of light, it is able to, in essence, travel back in time. So the problem is then solved because the responce is already sent back to the game server before the game server has a chance to even make the query for the data, hence problem solved...no lag!

/really stupid post
Klemper

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Winston Salem, NC

Re: thoughts

You are also forgetting the best feature of this product. In addition to constructing packets that does not yet exist, and faster than speed of light Accelerated Fiber technology.... it has the capability to utilize dark fiber and fiber that is yet to be installed... basically utilizing fiber optic pathways that only exist in the future.... Its really a great idea that is ahead of its time!

/really really stupid post

Fluker

join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN

looking back

"Latency is not a cause of lag today"

In bold. wow.

At first I thought these guys discovered magic, but now I see it's a play on words.

w/e
CycloneGT2

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Boyds, MD

Super Lag killer card.

Finally, someone has made a card that goes to 11.

furlonium
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Re: Super Lag killer card.

said by CycloneGT2:

Finally, someone has made a card that goes to 11.
Why not make 10 the highest?

But these go to 11!:D:D

FLECOM
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lag this

these people are to computers as BOSE is to audio products

"ITS THE BESTEST BETTERNESS WE SWEAR!!!"

yuutomo
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hear ye, hear ye!!

I hereby dub thee, the rightful succesor to the Phantom Game Console!

who agrees that since they announced that the phantom is dead that this must be some of the people from it.
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Re: hear ye, hear ye!!

So it should be compatible with the Phantom then?

cool

Since the Phantom got 62 mil to blow, i can only count this with 4 mil as a complete failure so far. Maybe they will have to make something and sell it :O

At least that sounded possible (and prob should have been with that much $), i cant imagine what these guys are even trying for. Wouldn't offloading stuff from server to me trade their redefined 'Lag' for the real thing?

Damn i need to learn more buzzwords
ColateralDMG

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Mcdonough, GA

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Similar or no?

Don't know but is this product similar? »www.compusa.com/products/product···p=BROWSE

Seems like more QOS stuff with a simpler approach then to tinker with the router which to me is quite simple. I think it only works at 100% if your ISP uses QOS though but it still works on some networks otherwise.

Lowtarget
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Re: Similar or no?

For 4m worth of funds. Maybe this item would be better to fix lag. lmao

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