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Oye, chico
join:2002-01-26
Puerto Rico | It would be a great day... I can't wait until I finally get rid of the landline. | |
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richdelb
Go Hawks Go
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join:2003-01-22
Algonquin, IL | Re: It would be a great day... I'd be shocked if the price for "naked dsl" was anything less than 60 bucks per month. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Re: It would be a great day... Lets see how pricing should look...
Current:
DSL (1.5 / 384kbps) $15 + $12 (land line) + $ 23 LD package (required by SBC/AT&T for pricing) + taxes/fees/surcharges/unfees
Future:
DLS (1.5 / 384kbps) $20 + required AT&T Call Vantage ($30) + 'transport' fee (aka landline fee ) $ 10 + taxes/fees/surcharges/unfees
Pricing works out to be pretty similar after al the dust clears. Main different should be all the regulatory BS (about $10-$15 of fees) | |
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Heterman
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Fayetteville, AR
| Re: It would be a great day... said by en102  :+ $ 23 LD package (required by SBC/AT&T for pricing) Someone gave you bad information. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
1 edit | Re: It would be a great day... you know I'm putting this in as an example...
AT&T just call 300 = $16.00
AT&T Canada Plus = $5.95
= $22.00
Add in a few extra minutes of use, and I'm at $23 pretty easily.
Most of the former SBC discount programs require local+ld
The point I'm trying to make is that AT&T does not want to 'lose' any money by opening up local+ld to VoIP competition.
I expect prices to rise after 1year contracts, and a HUGE push for the ADSL2+/VDSL higher speed/rates to be able to able to attempt to compete with cable for speed (and be able to charge more $$$). The possible benefit will be the IPTV, which I don't expect to really do all that well unless they can sell it relatively cheap. | |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Chicago, IL
| Re: It would be a great day... I wish our phone service was that cheap. Basic phone service in mid-Michigan with no features and the minimum local call package (required) comes out to about $26.70 a month with fees, taxes, and 911. Add $12.95 plus fees and its just about the same price as Comcast. | |
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join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA | Re: It would be a great day... When I had Verizon service it was about $34 per month for unlimited local, caller id, call waiting, and maybe anonymous call reject. This was total after tax. Ridiculous. | |
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ThosB
@verizon.ne | ATT and Verizon were forced to offer 'dry' DSL when their respective mergers were approved. What makes the California case so different? Verizon DSL in Michigan is $5.00 a month more without telephone service. | |
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join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA | Re: It would be a great day... Same as in Mass. For Comcast or Charter you have to pay 6-$10 more I think without cable service. | |
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blazerx
join:2003-10-07
Lakeport, CA | pricing? can't wait to see my dsl price jump if i try to cancel my phone. | |
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join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
| Re: Its about time Technically is was not..per the case brought against SBC and Verizon in CA by AT&T, Covad and etc.
SBC and Verizon designed their provisioning system to only provision a DSL if it has a telephone number. That made a Naked DSL not an option in their systems and the CA PUC ruled that you have until December of this year to redesign you provisioning system to provision a DSL without a phone number.
SBC and Verizon both admitted that while it is not and option that is was technically possible to make it work ( add the option to the provisioning system) in their statements before the commission.
One to the cool last things that AT&T legal did before it was sucked up by SBC. | |
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jebba2005
join:2005-01-13
Portland, ME | maine dry loop cost me 5 bucks more since i dont have verizon landline, im also going thru a different isp | |
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Lets Go
join:2005-03-05
Homer, NY
| Dry Loop in NY I have Verizon "Dry Loop" DSL here in Upstate NY. The packages are only $5 more a month vs. the regular DSL. The thing that bothers me about this story it that it says they have to offer it for only 2 years. What will happen in year 3? I can hear it now....."If you want to continue with DSL we are going to start charging you for phone service also...."
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| Verizon & AT&T...this IS your chance This is your chance. You REALLY want to sway cable customers like myself? Make it 25/mo with speeds that are competitive and I will switch from Comcast in a second. If they REALLY play this smart, they could wind up with MANY new customers and quite a large profit margin. IF they do the right thing.
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LiamJunket
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: Verizon & AT&T...this IS your chance said by HotRodFoto :This is your chance. You REALLY want to sway cable customers like myself? Make it 25/mo with speeds that are competitive and I will switch from Comcast in a second. If they REALLY play this smart, they could wind up with MANY new customers and quite a large profit margin. IF they do the right thing. The regulations only apply in CALIFORNIA. This wasn't new FCC rules, only state of California regulations. It doesn't apply to Colorado.
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Old_Grouch
Don't just sit there silly DO something
Premium
join:2004-05-26
Greenwood, IN
clubs:
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Verizon & AT&T...this IS your chance A federal requirement for SBC's purchase of AT&T was that within one year the new company offer exactly this service. California is pushing a local rule ahead of what will be a federal mandate at least for SBCatt.
But, the feds did not rule on price and dsl is a non-regulated service..... | |
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HotRodFoto
Premium
join:2003-04-19
Denver, CO
| said by LiamJunket :said by HotRodFoto :This is your chance. You REALLY want to sway cable customers like myself? Make it 25/mo with speeds that are competitive and I will switch from Comcast in a second. If they REALLY play this smart, they could wind up with MANY new customers and quite a large profit margin. IF they do the right thing. The regulations only apply in CALIFORNIA. This wasn't new FCC rules, only state of California regulations. It doesn't apply to Colorado. Yes I am aware of that and guess where I shall be before long 
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join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
| Re: Verizon & AT&T...this IS your chance • The applicants committed to provide, within 12 months of the Merger Closing
Dates, DSL service to in-region customers without requiring them to also purchase
circuit-switched voice telephone service. The companies will make the offering
for two years from the time it is made available in a particular state.
This is from the FCC Merger approval on OCT 31, 2005
Merger approved in November and closed so by December of this year is the deadline for Naked DSL in SBC and VERIZON Home land. | |
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IthinkIcan
@comcast.net | I tryed to order it once ....And they jacked me around. My neighbors have had DSL for years ,but I cant get it because of my line quality. Verizon refused to sell me dry loop. With the strong arm of the LAW,maybe things will change. | |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | Re: I tryed to order it once A dry loop will off you nothing better if your line quality is hosed. You will see absolutely no difference is performance.
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IthinkIcan
@comcast.net | Re: I tryed to order it once I was talking about getting a seperate line for the DSL while keeping my phone on the existing line. Thus far,Verizon has been uncooperative in setting me up with broadband. | |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| Blame Consumers. Since they would rather tolerate the abuse than do without telco broadband. People are, for the most part, easily addicted to broadband and cannot live without it. Much like a smoker or habitual drinker, they strongly desire their fixes and are willing to be abused by the providers at hand. Just look at the tobacco and Alcohol taxation--yet consumers still consume them in large quantities.
So, why should broadband users be any different. They could do without, vote their municipalities to bring city-competition, etc., etc., etc., but they will for the majority continue to be abused. I do not see this changing anytime soon. Like all good cows, you can and will continue to 'moo' your way into the slaughterhouse.
And saying you have no alternative when the option of not having anything is an option is better than the hypocrisy of complaining while taking your telco drugs--just like the good little addicts. 
Please, sir, may I have some more? | |
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
Newtown, PA
| Direct/Dish TV Folks,
Do I really need a landline for satellite if I don't use payView channels/programming?
The vendor I called (DirectTv) 180'd when I said I didn't have a landline (cell only). I was miffed.
Now, I wonder if I give them a Vonage line...how would they know?
TIA... | |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | Re: Direct/Dish TV unless its a 2way sat you do need the line otherwise there is no outgoing signal for the 2 to communicate. | |
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join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| Re: Direct/Dish TV said by andyb :unless its a 2way sat you do need the line otherwise there is no outgoing signal for the 2 to communicate. He just said if he doesn't use PPV so no, he doesn't need a landline hooked to his receiver. I haven't had mine plugged in for years now. TV reception is 1 way transmission. | |
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join:2002-02-05
Santa Clarita, CA | Direct TV landline is only needed for order PPV and if you have a DirecTV Tivo unit (ocassionaly needs to call but YMMV).
DirecTVs new DVR (R15) does NOT need a phone connection (not even for setup). | |
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wannab3
Premium
join:2001-08-09
Whitehall, PA | I have directv and I use my Packet 8 VOIP line with no problems. | |
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DrewCapu
Giant Diehard
join:2001-12-19
California
clubs: | shrug We'll still keep our landline.
When the Apocalypse happens, it'll be nice to have a dialtone  | |
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Boricua65
Oye, chico
join:2002-01-26
Puerto Rico
| Re: shrug said by DrewCapu :When the Apocalypse happens, it'll be nice to have a dialtone I saw a movie on the Science Fiction channel, a couple of weeks ago, that had to do with the aftermath of a nuclear attack. The opposing side fired off an EMP (electro-magnetic pulse) to shut down all communications. The only thing that worked was by using a telegraph. | |
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Lowtarget
Premium
join:2003-12-22
Alger, OH
clubs: | Naked DSL I think main reason why we was told naked DSL was not possible. Mainly the phone companys dont want to lose peoples money. | |
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@pacbell.n | Installation charge? Activation fee? I am certain that AT&T will market the dry loop ADSL like SDSL. So there will be no DIY installations and will charge something like $200 for installations and $30 for activations to cover the lost phone revenue. | |
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KrazyDawg
join:2001-02-07
Vallejo, CA
clubs:
| Higher costs still... It's still going to end up costing more. They'll just end up offering Naked DSL at a higher price than DSL with a landline. Look at the pricing scheme for speakeasy's naked DSL. It costs about $20 extra which is the average cost for your basic landline without anything extra. In the end there's no savings. | |
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RevMortis
I Hear Dead Silicon
Premium
join:2005-05-10
Saint Paul, MN
·Qwest.net
| Measured POTS.... As an alternative to a Naked DSL line one can get DSL over a Measured POTS line. Generally it's about $5 a month (Plus taxes and fees) depending on what state you are in. You'll typically get few hours of outgoing calls and after that you are charged a pretty pricey rate. However, it will still get you 911 service and "Hey I have no electrical power!" calls. | |
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Boricua65
Oye, chico
join:2002-01-26
Puerto Rico
| Re: Measured POTS.... I got my landline to be measured service, to reduce my bill. After all the taxes, license, document fees, shipping & handling, the bill comes out to $15.00 from the $5.70 it cost for measured service. I'd rather have just the DSL and nothing else. That $15 is $180 a year I'm spending on a line I'm not even using. | |
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warriors
It's A Great Time Out
join:2001-06-05
Alviso, CA
| Re: Measured POTS.... said by Boricua65 :I got my landline to be measured service, to reduce my bill. After all the taxes, license, document fees, shipping & handling, the bill comes out to $15.00 from the $5.70 it cost for measured service. I'd rather have just the DSL and nothing else. That $15 is $180 a year I'm spending on a line I'm not even using. I would be surprised if the naked DSL doesn't cost at least $15 more. | |
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Slidetbone
Mazin Go
Premium
join:2002-11-10
Land O Lakes, FL | Re: Measured POTS.... ..and it will. Verizon is not dumb here, losing the revenue of POTS lines and inflating naked DSL pricing.
Best bet: Measures POTS with DSL. Cheaper in the long run and added insurance for the 911 and power outages. | |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| Before it became SBC And if i recall correctly,Ameritech offered unbundled loop to customers.I do not remember if DSL was priced higher or not.If Ameritech could offer that type of DSL.Why can't SBC offer the same unbundled service now. From a technical stand point what changed.?
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tigerpilot32
join:2005-12-28
Highlands, NJ | Naked DSL Verizon was SUPPOSED to offer naked DSL as a condition of the Verizon MCI merger. Basic phone is $15. DSL on top is $14.95. Naked DSL starts at $35. You do the math!  | |
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Nextstep
join:2003-05-10
Beaumont, CA | Get ready $40 a month DSL, dont think you will have $12 DSL.
Its only $12 plus the cost of a phone line.
No phone line = $40+ DSL
As a stock owner dont think i would like to lose profits. | |
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mieses
join:2001-06-22
Beverly Hills, CA
| does this apply to 3rd party DSL service? With this ruling, can one purchase DSL from a 3rd party (speakeasy, sonic.net, covad, etc) and not purchase basic or measured phone service from the ILEC?
For example, if you currently have DSL from a 3rd party on a measured rate line, will you be able to ask ATT/Verizon to cancel your measured rate service and leave the DSL intact? | |
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jamez818
please hold during the silence
join:2000-09-18
Sunland, CA | It's Almost here! I just called in to AT&T and they said there offering dry loop DSL beginning June 13th. Anyone heard anything different? Prices?
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CMiller_17
@ameritech.net
| Re: It's Almost here! Yeah, I was told that today too. BUT.. Prices:
Basic DSL - $34.99
Mid-Level - $44.99
I didn't even both asking about Elite. It would almost be cheaper to sign up for the lifeline phone service and $3 long distance for the DSL line.
AT&T has us by the wallets. I hate them, but I love my DSL. | |
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