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Time Warner 7Mbps Upgrades Continue
Most markets should see speed by summer's end

Last October we reported that Time Warner Cable was upgrading standard customers in Rochester, NY, from 5Mbps/384kbps to 7Mbps/512kbps. In February our users noted Florida residents were also seeing these upgrades. One user says a tech told him Albany, NY should see the 7Mbps speeds "in about a month." Earthlink customers in NYC & Huntington Beach also report the upgrade.

Execs tell us that most TWC markets should see the 7Mbps speed increases by the end of the summer. Some markets are getting more, however: Time Warner's San Antonio office has started offering 10Mbps/384kbps,15/512kbps, & 30Mbps/768kbps (where's the upstream?) tiers.
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TherapyChick
join:2003-09-19
Fayetteville, NC

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Anyone know when TWC NC will see 7Mbps?

Anyone know when TWC NC will see 7Mbps?

I know it says "most markets by summers end", but just wondering if anyone knew a timeline.

We have 5Mbps now, not bad, but could use a little more always.



And I can't post about TWC without complaining about the upload... so... can we get more upload too??
innoman
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Seattle, WA

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Re: Anyone know when TWC NC will see 7Mbps?

we could definitely use a little more up!!

BOGBS
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I definitely want to see some of this in Maine too. 512 isn't much, but still better than 384, that drives me insane

odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL

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30Mbps/768kbps

they have to be joking on the upstream
grandpinaple8
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

It is funny because people have always made the 100Mbit/384 joke. Seems more like a dark prophecy now.

MysticGogeta
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join:2005-03-14
Katy, TX

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

Wow just all I can say wow.. 756

rocke868
join:2005-01-22
Groveland, IL

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With verizons 3 Mbps/768 Kbps service I get the same upload as thier 30 mbps plan? They really need to change this, I just don't understand the logic behind this.

Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

said by rocke868:

With verizons 3 Mbps/768 Kbps service I get the same upload as thier 30 mbps plan? They really need to change this, I just don't understand the logic behind this.
The logic is that they charge $249/month for a 2Mbps x 1Mbps and $299/month for a 2Mbps x 2Mbps business class plan (varies by market, most are higher) and they want that revenue.

I called in for pricing a few days ago and they even want $99/month for their 3Mbps x 768Kbps "Teleworker" biz class plan.

superht1
join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

10/384 is more like 3.0/384
15/512= 5.0/512
30/768= 7.0/768

IT's A SCAM!!!

Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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Jamestown, NC

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

said by superht1:

10/384 is more like 3.0/384
15/512= 5.0/512
30/768= 7.0/768

IT's A SCAM!!!
Facts?
or
Troll?
grandpinaple8
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

His post was too incomprehensible to begin to decifer what he was trying to say. Seems like he is saying TWC can't support the download pipe, which is only true at peak hours lately in NYC for the standard 5/384 package. NYC nodes are notoriously overloaded though so it might be a stretch to categorize all Road Runner divisions that way.

Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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Jamestown, NC

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

said by grandpinaple8:

His post was too incomprehensible to begin to decifer what he was trying to say.
Yes, it was which is why I asked for clarification.

superht1
join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

I'M NOT A HE.
grandpinaple8
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

I sincerely apologize, it was a piss poor assumption on my part.

johnny_t
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Palo Alto, CA

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said by odreian615:

they have to be joking on the upstream
Exactly & that 30 mb connection is useless with inherent cable caps.

Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps


They aren't going to give you any upstream because they dont want you running servers. It's just as simple as that. The only real reason you'd want upstream is to run one since most people have more use for downstream speed, such as P2P, etc.

Face it. You aren't going to be allowed to gobble up bandwidth by running servers.
jekler
join:2000-11-23
Cincinnati, OH

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Re: 30Mbps/768kbps

said by Fatal Vector:

The only real reason you'd want upstream is to run one since most people have more use for downstream speed, such as P2P, etc.
That's not true at all. First of all, upload speed is a huge factor in your ping time, which is the major determinant in online game performance. The ping time on a 5mb/384kb connection is the same as it would be on a 768kb/384kb connection. Our ping times haven't gotten any better because, although we can download server data faster, our computer can't respond any faster than it ever could.

It's like a funnel, no matter how wide you make the mouth of the funnel doesn't change how fast it trickles out of the other end.

I'd much rather have a 1mb/1mb connection than a 50mb/384 connection, because our overall quality of connection is determined by BOTH upload and download. Increasing one beyond the other is almost pointless.

Upload bandwidth has the same cost as download bandwidth. What makes you think a person would gobble up more bandwidth by increasing their upload by 768kb, than they would if you increase their download by 2mb? For that assumption to be reasonable, you must believe that people would use an increased upload speed more than they'd use an increased download speed... which is just another way of you saying that increasing the download speed is meaningless.
edeclark
join:2003-11-17
Green Bay, WI

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30Mbps down?

I just don't see many people needing that kind of download. As the previous poster said where the Hell is the UPload? 768kbps? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that 2.5% of the download speed? My math may be off. At 30MBps I would expect at least 2MBps upload.

Is it true that in the "old days" (late 90's) Roadrunner was uncapped and people were getting these speeds at that time?? I just remember hearing some chatter about that.
jeffyjeff777
join:2002-06-01
Collegedale, TN

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Re: 30Mbps down?

Yeah, I'd rather have 1-2mbs up than 30mbps down.

But regardless, I'll glady take the 7mbs/512kbs here in TWC NE Wisconsin.
edeclark
join:2003-11-17
Green Bay, WI

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Re: 30Mbps down?

Hey I'm in new.rr.com territory too! Well actually I have Earthlink but same difference for the most part. I've heard 7MB standard download about 90% of the time but there is such a discrepancy on the UPloads coming up the pike. 512kbps I hear about 45% of the time, 768kbps, 45% of the time, and 1MB 10% of the time. I'd LIKE to see 7/768 but I EXPECT to see 7/512. I guess we get what we get but when will we get it? I know we weren't at the top of the list last time and I don't expect to be this time either....

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Oh, totally. All that download bandwidth is pointless without more upload bandwidth. They probably realize that, the sneaky bastards.

odreian615
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Chicago, IL

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I went to verizons site and their fios is at 30/5 but it has a high a55 price
edeclark
join:2003-11-17
Green Bay, WI

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Re: 30Mbps down?

I'm nowhere near Verizon territory but how high a$$ price for 30/5?? Just wondering
90115534 (banned)
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Kenner, LA

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said by odreian615:

I went to verizons site and their fios is at 30/5 but it has a high a55 price
Some places its only $55 to $69 a month!
jeffyjeff777
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Collegedale, TN

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Re: 30Mbps down?

I'd gladly pay that. I'm dishing out around $45 now for TWC 5mbs/384kbs !
Enlightener
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Cedar Park, TX

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In the "old" days ( 1996 ) I had Jones Intercable ( Jones Internet Channel )and we were completly uncapped. The good thing is we could just browse the network and find users who setup read-only guest shares with warez in them. We could get LAN speeds within the cloud.

The bad news is all 1500 customers were routed through 4 T1's to get out to the internet. During peak hours internet traffic would slow to dial up speeds. Copying stuff across the cloud was still ultra fast though.
Insder
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Salem, MA

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Re: 30Mbps down?

If back in the day was this day and age, with all the open shares, it'd be a great amount of fun. Too bad nobody does this anymore.

dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ

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Re: 30Mbps down?

said by Insder:

If back in the day was this day and age, with all the open shares, it'd be a great amount of fun. Too bad nobody does this anymore.
Oh they still do it, its just the isp's block 139.
Insder
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Re: 30Mbps down?

I mean uncapped internal service.

Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26

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Re: 30Mbps down?


I'm sure the caps are partially from abuses during those days with rampant servers, warez, etc. No doubt they learned their lessons well.

Such things eat bandwidth and, with many ISPs offering business service, they want you to pay for business services to run servers, etc. I'm sure it's just as simple as that. Most people dont NEED high upstream bandwidth.

Actually, it's probably best that most have limited upstream in that I can imagine what it would be like to have a bot army on uncapped service, belching out e mail and malware 24/7. What a nightmaer.
XPiRX
join:2005-10-06
Rochester, NY

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Speed still crappy

... We never received 512kbps upload as stated. We are still stuck at 384kbps. I cannot wait for FiOS to arrive in Rochester. I talked to some people in verizon the other day and they said it should arrive within the next 1-2 months here. Its slowly expanding out towards us. First in spencerport, then near buffalo and should be here soon. I cant wait! I'm getting 15/2 (or 30/5 if its not like 170$). And it would even be even better if that speed change rumor is true. (started package will be 15/2 instead of 5/2. Then next one up would be 30/5 for about 40$ and the 170$ one would be 60/60). But ya, RoadRunner sucks and needs to get with the program, UPLOAD! FiOS is going to put RR out of business

Frydays
join:2005-10-21
South Padre Island, TX

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Re: Speed still crappy

amost everyday the upload is going down im tired of this crap modem they left me
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Where did you get your info?

Why would Verizon bring FiOS to Rochester, Verizon has little presence in the Rochester area. The whole reason why we got 7MB down last fall was because of Frontier increasing their DSL speeds. TW Rochester is my cable provider, but I live in the Buffalo area and Verizon is my Telco. I’m a premium sub, that was spending $85 a month on internet (now down to $70 since I got digital cable). I get 1mb more down then regular subs who pay $40-$45.

AbusedByComcast
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It's Better Than Comcast

I'll be traded to time warner soon and those speeds sure beat my crappy 4M/386 from comcast! Not only did I get Screwed with the $15 Dollar penalty,I also got screwed out of the speed Upgrade! I'm eagerly waiting for my area to be handed over to time warner!

PS: This is really a gratuitous Comcast Bashing comment in disguise!

I cant WAIT! Are we there Yet!
ExtremeRFR
join:2005-05-13
West New York, NJ

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WHAT! UPLOAD MIGHT BE A JOKE?

IDK Time Warner is very expensive and I can't believe Cablevision is doing something to improve their service by having a competition with Verizon's FIOS. But with Time Warner Cable ... they are doing something but their upload sucks.

Time Warner Cable should be selling their high speed something like this:

Regular Roadrunner (5-7MB download/384-512KB upload)
Cable Customer & Digital Phone -- $39.95
Cable Customer -- $44.95
Non-Cable Customer -- $54.95-59.95

Roadrunner Pro (15MB download/2MB upload)
Cable Customer & Digital Phone -- $64.95
Cable or Digital Phone -- $69.95
Non-Cable Customer -- $77.95

Roadrunner MEGA (30MB download/4MB upload)
Cable Customer with Digital Phone -- $86.95
Cable Customer -- $96.95
Non-Cable Customer -- $108.95

SPECIAL PROMOTION (THIS IS MAKE-BELIEVE)

NEW CUSTOMERS:

Get Roadrunner Pro for only $59.99 for the first 12 months. Get 15MB download/2MB upload our best offer ever!

EXISTING CUSTOMERS:

Have Roadrunner? Upgrade to Roadrunner Pro for only $14.95 more to your plan. Good for 12 months.

Have Roadrunner & Digital Phome? Upgrade for only $9.95 more to ur plan & good for 12 months.

Have everything including CABLE TV? Upgrade to Roadrunner MEGA (30MB download/4MB upload) for only $29.95 more to your plan & it's good for 15 months.

ALSO LET ME POINT OUT SOMETHING... TIME WARNER CABLE NEEDS TO GET 3 WAY INCLUDED ON PLUS THEIR SERVICE IS TOO EXPENSIVE AND VOICEMAIL IS EXTRA... DAM! RN'T WE PAYING ENOUGH?

AbusedByComcast
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Re: WHAT! UPLOAD MIGHT BE A JOKE?

I sure hope they don't take their queues from that scum sucking founder of Comcast! I don't think it's right to charge customers $10-$15 more a month for not buying crappy cable TV! CATV only customers aren't charged $15 dollars a month more for not buying HSI. Err....So It's not a BUNDLE! It's a RIPOFF!

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Re: WHAT! UPLOAD MIGHT BE A JOKE?

So if I have Comcast, and subscribe to everything they offer..I should pay the same amount as someone who just subscribes to 1 service? Why shouldn't I be rewarded for getting all my service through them?

Thorax1
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Huntington Beach, CA

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Umm....

I have the 15/2 for 54.95

Huntington Beach Ca baby!

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Obliteration
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Somewhere

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Somebody more stingy than Comcast in upload? O_O

I am in utter disbelief.

I think I am reading things that aren't there now.

Matt3
All noise, no signal.
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Jamestown, NC

Matt3

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Repeatedly

I have been told repeatedly by Time Warner Biz Class that their equipment (in my area) is not capable of offering anything above 2Mbps upstream. The fastest Biz Class package they offer over a cable modem is 6Mbps x 2Mbps.

I am betting they are simply splitting nodes, not actually upgrading equipment to offer these speeds, which is why the upstream speeds are terrible.

They will happily sell you a dedicated fiber line though, for about $150 per Mbps plus the cost of pulling the fiber to you.
emptywig
Huh? What?
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Pasadena, TX

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Need New Equipment?

I've had the same cable modem (A Toshiba PCX2200) since I got my TW cable internet service some years ago. Does anyone know if this modem will support the new higher speeds? Should I take it in an get a new one?

Whaddaya think?

wig

Thorax1
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Huntington Beach, CA

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I was told.....

That only the RCA modem would support the 15/2 tier.

I CANNOT VERIFY THIS.

I can, however, vouch that the old USR "shark fin" modem would not handle it.
It was limited to a 10Mbit WAN and accounting for overhead I could only see about 6Mbit on a Windows system with it and about 7.5Mbit on a Linux system with it (I guess Linux is that much better at networking protocols).

I also found out that MANY routers that claim to be 10/100 on the WAN port are not and will bog your connection....bigtime.

Gee, I just saved you guys some head scratching when you finally get your speed upgrades
hellspawn331
join:2006-03-30
West Hills, CA

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Re: I was told.....

hey thorax!!!
you got a very good connection.
just wanted to know what kinda modem you are using right now??
and wanted to know if i change this stupid RCA modem that RR gave me, am i going to be able to have more speed than 4860/365????

reply ASAP

thanks.

kbamslam
join:2004-11-16
North Royalton, OH

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Speed

Hey, I'm in the rochester, NY area. I seem to be getting the 7000 down, but still only 384 up. I just talked to a rep on the online chat and he said the base package was 7000/384. He also said that there were no plans on increasing the upload speeds. Can anyone in the area confirm any higher upload speeds???

Just noticed my old information was in my profile. Should be updated to NY now

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Aliens
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space-time

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56 Kbps up next?

I guess we shouldn't p*ss TW off. They might decide to downgrade to 7 Mbps/56 Kbps just to show the customer base who is the boss.

Those upload speeds are theoretically the mininum needed for the acknowledgement packets to support the associated download speed and nothing more. But in reality the uplink gets bogged down at peak times and the decreased upstream ack traffic will affect the downstream rate. Or something like that.

kennydillon
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Goddard, KS

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Kansas City

I was in today at the store in Overland Park Kansas exchanging a DVR and just asked the rep when Kansas City Road Runner would see some higher speeds and she said the a RR tech told her sometime this summer they would be raising speeds. We will have to wait and see!