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story category BellSouth Wants New Orleans Network Shut Down
CIO: 'If I have to go to jail, I guess I will'
(old news - 04:36PM Thursday Mar 23 2006)
tags: legal · competition · business · telco · municipal
After Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans CIO Greg Meffert got downtown businesses back online by opening the city’s 512kbps wireless mesh network — originally deployed to link surveillance cameras — to anyone who needed it - for free. Now, according to Red Herring, BellSouth is lobbying to get the network shut down. The network is technically illegal, under a BellSouth lobbied law, created to thwart municipal broadband deployment of networks faster than 128kbps.
"The vendors, the BellSouths of this world, are not only going to force us back, making our existing Wi-Fi illegal, but also they want to close a loophole for emergencies so that we would not do this again," says Mr. Meffert.
The Washington Post reported last December that as soon as the city planned to offer the service, BellSouth pulled an offer to donate one of its damaged buildings to be used as a new police station, something BellSouth denied. BellSouth has long waged war against any city wiring itself for broadband, but the battle has been particularly fierce in Louisiana.

The voter-approved community-fiber project in Lafayette still hasn't gotten off the ground because of constant BellSouth lawsuits. Recall the controversy when a BellSouth exec hinted they'd have to pull a 1,300 person local Cingular call-center if the city went forward with the project, something BellSouth also denied. BellSouth also lied to local voters via push-pollsters, as we've documented.

As for the New Orleans mesh network, Meffert says he's not shutting it down, law nor not. "If I have to go to jail, I guess I will," he says. "We simply cannot turn off these few lifelines we have to our city and businesses."

BellSouth has been charging $70 for emergency Wimax service in the area if users don't subscribe to telephone service (otherwise $29.95).

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Cyber2lz

join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL

More BS from BS

Two Tier Internet, against Layfayette Fiber and now wanting to shut down a wireless network that is much needed. Go BellSouth.
No wonder so many hate the unimaginative ILEC's.
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Cjaiceman
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join:2004-10-12
Aurora, CO

Re: More BS from BS

All I can say is, BellSouth can suck it and get their head out of their ass!

HeHawww

@comcast.net

Re: More BS from BS

Really! Those bassturds wont even get DSL off the ground and then complain about anyone offering anything even remotely broadband.

rachelsfx

join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL

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Re: More BS from BS

Who cares?

rachelsfx

join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL

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Re: More BS from BS

BellSouth Fast Access
4. Hurricane Cost Recovery Fee - $.99
5. Usage above 2 megabytes - $75.00

technick
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Loganville, GA

Ya know its nice seeing all the people come here and rant on about Bellsouth, but when is someone going to start a revolution and stop bitching? It's sad that the goverment isn't concerned about the citizens...
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Re: More BS from BS

said by technick See Profile :

It's sad that the goverment isn't concerned about the citizens...
And never have been.

The government's main concern is with itself. The citizen concern, if it exists at all, is minimal.
wtansill
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Falls Church, VA

said by technick See Profile :

Ya know its nice seeing all the people come here and rant on about Bellsouth, but when is someone going to start a revolution and stop bitching? It's sad that the goverment isn't concerned about the citizens...
Sounds like a volunteer to me...
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72276539
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Atlanta, GA

said by technick See Profile :

Ya know its nice seeing all the people come here and rant on about Bellsouth, but when is someone going to start a revolution and stop bitching? It's sad that the goverment isn't concerned about the citizens...
Quit hiding behind the keyboard and start the revolution. Damned elitist keyboard warriors.
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53059959
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join:2002-10-02
PwnZone

Re: More BS from BS

Vote CoxCable4 for president!
i'll give you nerds your broadband for cheap!
fiberguy
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said by technick See Profile :

Ya know its nice seeing all the people come here and rant on about Bellsouth, but when is someone going to start a revolution and stop bitching? It's sad that the goverment isn't concerned about the citizens...
Very true! here's the thing in this story that bothers me the most:

"The network is technically illegal, under a BellSouth lobbied law, created to thwart municipal broadband deployment of networks faster than 128kbps."

If the law makers were so concerned about their citizens, they would simply change this silly law in the first place.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

It's a silly law much like laws that prevent me from running coax along the fence and giving my neighbors access to free cable TV.
emptywig
Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX

Re: More BS from BS

No its not. That's stoopid.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

Why not? If cable TV doesn't want to service them for a fair price and instead wants to gouge them why shouldn't I be allowed to step in and do some good community service?
emptywig
Huh? What?
Premium
join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX

Re: More BS from BS

Because you'd be stealing the cable co's product. I don't see how NO building its own network is comparable to stealing cable service. I'm pretty sure they're paying for the connections to the net. They're just not paying BellSouth, and BS is mad. Whah!

Your analogy is completely wrong.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

I'm not stealing their product. I'd be paying the bill for it. I'm just sharing it with the community.

What authority does the city have to offer internet services?
emptywig
Huh? What?
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Pasadena, TX

Re: More BS from BS

What authority prevents them? What authority gives them the right to build roads? To pick up trash? To tax property and educate your children. Its called "the vote." Citizens vote and give the city the authority to do things on their behalf.

What gives BellSouth the authority to short-cicuit the will of the voting public? No one voted for them.

And you are providing the means for your neighbors to steal the cable co's content, you know it, you're doing it willfully. That's illegal.

As far as I know, the city isn't stealing anything.
bogey780

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Here

Re: More BS from BS

Ok, point to me where a vote was taken?
emptywig
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Pasadena, TX
Since when does ANYONE need authority to offer interent services? What sort of question is that?

CapinPete
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Plano, IL

said by bogey780 See Profile :

I'm not stealing their product. I'd be paying the bill for it. I'm just sharing it with the community.

What authority does the city have to offer internet services?
Are you serious? If you were a Bellsouth subscriber and tried to share your connection with everyone, I am pretty sure that would be against their terms of service.

You are comparing apples to oranges. If you wanted to lease your own dedicated line, like a T1 etc, then you could share it with anyone you wanted to.

Bellsouth wants to prevent muni's from being able to do things like this. I don't know how they get away with this garbage but basically it just ensures that they will have that much less competition.

BuriedCaesar
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said by bogey780 See Profile :

I'm just sharing it with the community.
Okay - so you say you'd not be stealing the cable service, rather "sharing it with the community". Interesting notion.

I suspect that by doing that you'd be violating several of the terms of the contract you signed with the cable company when you agreed to accept installation of that service at your location and pay that bill, and in a variety of ways, too. That's where the fine print of that contract stomps through your front door and announces the illegality of what you've been doing...and they wouldn't care one whit as to how benevolent your intent was with your neighbors.
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bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

And the city is violating the law. Not to mention doing somethign they're not authorized by the charter to do.

scaredpoet

join:2001-03-26
Monmouth Junction, NJ


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Re: More BS from BS

You're still comparing apples to oranges.

In your cable analogy, you're stealing cable because you are licensed to use the service for one household, and not share or resell it to other households. The cable company built the infrastructure and supplies the service, not you.

IF you built your own network, supplied your own infrastructure and backhaul, and signed all of the necessary deals with the networks providing content, then you could conceivably do what you like with it, including sharing the heck you wanted, and your cable company can't accuse you of promulgating theft of cable service. Assuming of course, the cable company doesn't decide that you're infringing on their monopoly and should not be allowed to compete with them, in which case they might lobby (if they haven't already) for exclusive franchise agreements.

New Orleans built their own wireless infrastructure, not BellSouth. They erected the hardware, negotiated the backhaul with an upstream provider, set up the infrastructure. They are a sharing a resource *they* created, not BellSouth. And yet, BellSouth feels that their near-monopoly control should not be challenged. it's not about theft of service; it's about BellSouth being able to control who makes their resources available in an area where the resources are scarce, and artifically keeping those resources as scarce as possible so that BellSouth can inflate the cost to consumers, and the resulting profit.

New orleans is not preventing BellSouth from offering their own service. If BellSouth wanted to set up their own WiFi access points and let people use them, I'm sure the city of New Orleans would do nothing to stop them.

What business is it of BellSouth's what the city does with the resources they've built of their own accord, and under what basis does this law they've lobbied for prevent theft?

Verizon Wireless offers EVDO service in New Orleans. Again, it's using infrastructure they built. And yet BellSouth isn't going after Verizon... yet. Why is that? What's the difference here?
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
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Re: More BS from BS

'Verizon Wireless offers EVDO service in New Orleans. Again, it's using infrastructure they built. And yet BellSouth isn't going after Verizon... yet. Why is that? What's the difference here?'

Because Verizon is a business and New Orleans is the gov't. Something about unfair competition.
fiberguy
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Bogey, get real would you?

You buy a service which is defined by not only the cable company, but the FCC as well. There are laws about what you can do with the service. You are also bound by an agreement you have with the cable company to view the service in the dwelling at the address authorized by them at the time of the agreement was started.

Further, you don't have the permission from the networks to redistribute THEIR signals to anyone else for profit or not.

Like cable who signed a licence agreement to distribute the networks, you don't have the same right.

You're really reaching on this one.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

Likewise. Where's the authorization for what the city is doing?
fiberguy
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Re: More BS from BS

You mean the same city that has the authority to build roads, hire a police force, and provide other services? THAT city?

I didn't think that the city was becoming an ISP, rather, providing relief.

I think the question you should be asking is "where does BS get off gauging N.O. residents in a time of disaster?"

Bell South is in there charging people that are trying to literally pick up the sticks after the hurricans and floods $70.00 for internet, twice as much because they don't have phone? GET REAL! I guess you were ok with paying $6.00 a gallon for gas the on September 11th, 2001, too?

You stated you could run a cable down the fence and provide cable tv service to others. You don't have the right to do that. The city, who owns the network and the internet that's piped through it, is another case.

I could give a rats ass about BS and their temper tantrum.

Bogey, you are comparing apples and oranges.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

Gov't can't do anything it wants because it feels like it. Where was the vote or amending of the city charter to allow this?

Go reread the story about who this is affecting.

scaredpoet

join:2001-03-26
Monmouth Junction, NJ


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said by bogey780 See Profile :

Gov't can't do anything it wants because it feels like it.
No, but it can make a decision to provide essential services in a time of crisis. New Orleans is NOT "business as usual" yet, and won't be for some time.

Where was the vote or amending of the city charter to allow this?
Where was the vote allowing the Red Cross, or FEMA to step in and offer assistance? No one I know who lives or lived in Louisiana remembers casting that vote, either. but it happened, didn't it?

(Well, it *barely* happened, but that's another debate...)

Go reread the story about who this is affecting.
The Red Herring article doesn't mention this hurting anyone, except maybe Bellsouth's ability to restrict basic communications access to a city where BellSouth has already failed to restore more than 66% of its basic phone service. I guess if BellSouth is incompetent, no one else is legally allowed to be competent, eh?

Lastly: what if New Orleans throttled the network to 128kbps as per the law's requirements? Would that still be "Stealing" under your flawed philosophy?
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

'Where was the vote allowing the Red Cross, or FEMA to step in and offer assistance?'

Because there are laws allowing it. No vote needed.

Where y'at?

Because ya ain't here. That's for sure. All NPA/NXX in the city are up as far as I know. Most localities served by the muni-net are a lot farther along then 33%. A lot. Downtown, CBD, and French Quarter were relatively ok after Katrina. New Orleans Main never went down. The 66% you pitch must be a lot of New Orleans East and the 9th ward where service is almost 100% still out.

It's a simple question, can the people on the muni-net get service from a telecom company. The answer is yes. They can. They just don't want to pay for it.

rachelsfx

join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
Why shouldn't BellSouth just spend all the cash they spend on lobbyists and build the damn thing.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

Build what? The WiMax network they have? Or the DSL network that most of downtown can get?

This is not a matter of shortage of services.

scaredpoet

join:2001-03-26
Monmouth Junction, NJ

Re: More BS from BS

said by bogey780 See Profile :

Build what? The WiMax network they have? Or the DSL network that most of downtown can get?
According to the red Herring: "The city now has a daytime population of about a quarter-million, but about a third of the city is still without even basic phone service. The population is expected to swell this summer as more storm refugees return when the school year ends."

Seems to me that BellSouth is dropping the ball, and won't let others pick up the slack.

This is not a matter of shortage of services.
The facts disagree with you, I'm afraid.
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: More BS from BS

Wanna take a guess as to where that third is? I'll give you a hint... it's not in Downtown.

Michieru2
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Miami, FL

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MrParrot

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Poway, CA
Will BS being doing any type of investigation to determine if any of their employees used the city-provided network, and if so, terminating that employee...?

Common sense just ain't very common anymore...

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join:2003-02-24
Bossier City, LA
LOL Once again BellSouth is bitching.
Worst ISP EVER!
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IT Guy
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Las Cruces, NM
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Disgusting

These damn corporations and their lobbies make me sick. nuff said.
jervin123

join:2005-04-14
Philadelphia, PA

What!

what from what I guess many exchanges that were tottally whiped to pieces and the bell south network is still a mess i mean it was a mess i had difficulty calling some citys in LA that were not affected by the hurricane because bell south blocked access past those tandems from cingular's network and from my pots CLEC Cavalier Telephone but i was able to call for some reason a landline in N.O that was forwarding to a cell phone that ended up with its owner in texas

Kfedka
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Spokane, WA

Re: What!

Stupid BellSouth, great way to improve the image of your company. I'll be sure to recommend you to my circle of friends/relative(sarcasm)!
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Here

Re: What!

It's hard to understand what you're saying but I don't think you understand what happens when you have total failure of a fiber ring around a major transport hub. All telephone circuits and long distance calls will get jammed. Cingular went down also with their local switch and their network traffic couldn't handle the network congestion as they tried to rebuild their network.

Do you want to know how many fiber lines were getting cut on a daily basis?

Oh btw, as to the topic at hand. BellSouth kept a lot f the remaining communications up and running as best they could. The city meanwhile did it's damnest prior to the hurricane to squash an amazing grant backed project that would have provided emergency radio communications. The reason? The people running it didn't grease the right palms.

scaredpoet

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Re: What!

said by bogey780 See Profile :

Oh btw, as to the topic at hand. BellSouth kept a lot f the remaining communications up and running as best they could.
*shrug* Oh BTW, four months later, I have close family members and friends in Louisiana who are still getting blocked calls on their Cingular Wireless and BellSouth landline phones, to known working numbers. Many have switched their Cingular phones to Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile in order tog et reliable phone service. Mysteriously, VZ, T-Mo and S don't seem to have these relibaility problems, having long restored their service fully even though they serve the same areas in Louisiana.

I guess poor, poor Bellsouth can't get things going because there's just too much competition from those darn competent competitors, huh?

The city meanwhile did it's damnest prior to the hurricane to squash an amazing grant backed project that would have provided emergency radio communications.
And I wonder: if New Orleans had made the decision to green light this, would that emergency radio communications system have worked? Would it be working now? From what I've seen of Bellsouth, probably not! And you would probably be hear pontificating about how HARD and CHALLENGING it is to fix spliced cables and SONET rings. Oh, boo hoo, BellSouth!
bogey780

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Re: What!

Cingular's problem isn't one of cut fiber. It has to do with their switch breaking. Oddly enough when the main hub's switch breaks people have problems when you rush to set up a new one.

And you do realize Cingular and BellSouth are seperate companies, don't you?

Lowtarget
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BellSouth

BellSouth is just mad cause people would have another option. If you ask me internet providers should just get over it. So what if another company offers broadband there too. People should have the right to choose which provider they use.
averagedude

join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ

SBC - Kick'em when their down

Hey SBC, why stop with putting CIO Greg Meffert in jail, but sue the City of New Orleans and every user for lost revenue.

Drex
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Re: SBC - Kick'em when their down

Actually what they'll do is say "It cost us $XXX million to get the Gulf Coast area back online and since we can't eat that cost, we're going to come up with another bogus 'fee' on your bill to alleviate that cost. Oh no, it's not a tax. It's just anohter 'cost-recovery fee'".
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Duluth, GA

Re: SBC - Kick'em when their down

You telling me Bellsouth didn't have flood insurance?? LOL

Snakeoil
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Mentor, OH

For a change let the big gorilla get screwed.

IMO, AT&T/SBC/Bellsouth, needs to shut the F up. They dragged their feet in providing a service in a tie of need.
The gguy that sat the network up deserves a kudos.
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bogey780

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Re: For a change let the big gorilla get screwed.

Dragged their feet in what regards?

rudnicke
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Unrest

And they wonder why there is growing civil unrest these days. With corporations like this stepping all over the little guy, people are starting to take a dis-liking to many large companies.

It's really too bad that people in business have lost a sense of humanity. It's all about the money now. Step over, on, or around whomever you need to get that extra dollar.

envoid

join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA

Re: Unrest

said by rudnicke See Profile :

And they wonder why there is growing civil unrest these days. With corporations like this stepping all over the little guy, people are starting to take a dis-liking to many large companies.

It's really too bad that people in business have lost a sense of humanity. It's all about the money now. Step over, on, or around whomever you need to get that extra dollar.
Whenever the country is in recession crap like this always crops up. Thank the rich for trying to suck the last dime from the rest of the populace.

Since Bellsouth provides a utility (phone service here, since the FCC believes the Internet isn't one) it should be owned by the subscribers of its service and not by the stockholders that don't even use the service. If you subscribe to them, you own a part of them and every subsciber gets the same voice as every other sub, even if you subscribe to less services. This way the "CEO" will actually have to listen to the people using their services and not the rich who only want their stock to rise. Also, no money is returned to the subs, but quality of service or new services are instituted and the subscribers have a say in which way the company will move in regard to services, speeds, etc, offered.

footballdude

join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

Re: Unrest

"Civil unrest"?
"Recession"?

What country do you guys live in? Because here in America we're all fat and happy and much more interested in American Idol than in mesh networks.

dannieboy6856

@plus.com

Stifling competition

How do your ISP's in America get away with this? Here, BT was forced to allow other providers access to it's network. Now I have a choice of probably over a hundred ISP's. Most of them provide services over BT wholesale but there's also 3 LLU providers and a cable company.

Dan M
emptywig
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Pasadena, TX

Re: Stifling competition

Because we let them, that's why. All the moronic redneck republicans who don't even realize that they're getting the shaft yell "Communism" any time a city wants to do anything itself. Idiots don't even know what Communism is.

Basically, America has gotten really really stupid, and we're getting what we deserve.

cableties
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Newtown, PA

Tower of Bell-bel.

Behold your communication overlords. Worship me. Put a icon of worship in your homes (phone jack). I am to protect your communication. Without communication, your silly society would fail. But for I, the god of com, grant you use of my system. But heed my warning, anger me and I will bring you to silence ("all circuits are busy. If you'd like to make a call...")

So. If the phone companies feel they are the torchbearer of our communication needs, they are rightfully upset when a local entity feels, "hey, let's take their revenue stream and flow it our way. We can do this. Its not magic. How hard is it to erect our own antennae? Or to use our own VoIP. We can save money from this control phreak god". Yet the locals think they can still connect to the great and powerful voice system.

So began the Tower of Bell-bel ...

LiamJunket
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Is this real or spin by a N.O. political flunky ?

Now telecommunication lobbyists are trying to shut down the network, and Mr. Meffert says it looks like the state legislature will agree.
This whole story rests on the uncorroborated word of 1 person(a political flunky for a proven incompetent lying mayor) with an axe to grind. I'll wait and see if there is anything to this story before dumping on Bell South.
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Re: Is this real or spin by a N.O. political flunky ?

what part don't you believe?

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said by LiamJunket See Profile :

Now telecommunication lobbyists are trying to shut down the network, and Mr. Meffert says it looks like the state legislature will agree.
This whole story rests on the uncorroborated word of 1 person(a political flunky for a proven incompetent lying mayor) with an axe to grind. I'll wait and see if there is anything to this story before dumping on Bell South.
Uh-oh, perhaps you shouldactually read the articles next time?

quote:
The Washington Post reported last December that as soon as the city planned to offer the service, BellSouth pulled an offer to donate one of its damaged buildings to be used as a new police station, something BellSouth denied. BellSouth has long waged war against any city wiring itself for broadband, but the battle has been particularly fierce in Louisiana.

The voter-approved community-fiber project in Lafayette still hasn't gotten off the ground because of constant BellSouth lawsuits. Recall the the controversy when a BellSouth exec hinted they'd have to pull a 1,300 person local Cingular call-center if the city went forward with the project, something BellSouth also denied. BellSouth also lied to local voters via push-pollsters, as we've documented.
And of course, don't forget to mention this:
quote:
BellSouth has been charging $70 for emergency Wimax service in the area if users don't subscribe to telephone service (otherwise $29.95).
You pro-corporate guys are so predictable...
grandpinaple

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New York, NY

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NO NO NO. Didn't management tell you to use response 945A not B.

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Re: Is this real or spin by a N.O. political flunky ?

said by grandpinaple See Profile :

NO NO NO. Didn't management tell you to use response 945A not B.
You know, it's really hard work being a corporate apologist and aspiring astroturfer when you have to keep up with the talking points of the day and corporate doesn't get them out on time. Have a little empathy. How would you like to have to make a living like that?

No matter that the people of a major American city have been blasted nearly out of existance and need to communicate with the outside world. No, profits must come first. After all, Bugatti has that neat new $1million dollar sports car that just came out and how are those poor, deprived senior executives supposed to afford it?

Man, I just cannot get the word "gibbets" out of my head...
jmuskratt

join:2000-11-21
New Orleans, LA

Because you know Greg Meffert from anyone else in New Orleans?

The audacity of people who aren't living this every day to opine and judge still surprises me. I don't know why, but it does.

Meffert has done an amazing job getting the city website working and put municipal functions online to reduce the need for waits in long lines at city hall. I hope whoever the next mayor is does what it takes to keep him.

As much as I detest Cox, Bellsouth has assured that when I get to live in my house again, I will stay with Vonage.
edeclark

join:2003-11-17
Green Bay, WI

Pathetic

BellSouth is pathetic.

Kick a city while they are down.

That's nice.

Corporate antics are getting a little out of hand.

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asdjf

join:2005-01-01

That CIO is my hero

We need more people like this guy. Standing up and not letting big business degrade our quality of life for their goddamned profits.
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RJ44

join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN

I read the article

I guess it was too much to hope that there might actually be a quote from BellSouth or a reference or SOMETHING concrete to back up the alleged threat to shut down the New Orleans wireless network. Instead, this is all we get:

"The vendors, the BellSouths of this world, are not only going to force us back, making our existing Wi-Fi illegal, but also they want to close a loophole for emergencies so that we would not do this again,” said Mr. Meffert."

Excuse me. I'm not saying he's wrong because I don't know. But when the entire article is based on this one quote, any objective observer would break out the salt shaker. Note that I said "objective".

RJ

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Asmodeus

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

how soon before...

bellsouth starts a dmca venture against new orleans for stealing bellsouths customer base and bandwidth...? i wouldn't bat an eye if it did... this is total bullshit in my opinion, but hey, i'm just one voice in a sea of bellsouth whining...

TheGiant
Next Year Is Here.

join:2001-03-28
Knoxville, TN

AT&T time for some damage control

Better get in here and fix this before your billion Dollar business merger goes down the drain. With VOIP, cell service, and Cable offering phone now your business model BellSouth is old and outdated. Slow DSL that works only if and when you want it to just doesn't cut it anymore. I hope ________ (anyone) moves in and takes over all of BellSouth area with Fiber.

bestsinceteaxs



I'd invite Verizon

Well, I'd kick bellsouf in the mouf and invite Verizon to wire the state with fiber. Who needs bellsouth. They need any company willing to invest in the future, not in the past. (That is if you believe Louisiana has a future, or might we go back to 49 states, including Hawaii).

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jzilla

@ga.charter

Bellsouth is gonna be AT&T right?

lol I love Vonage!
I can't wait till I get get broadband through the electric lines...haha
No more Cable, no more Bellsouth

It's Vonage,Dishnetwork, and Ga Power(get to work boys)

My cable has worse rainfade than dish ever had!

koma3504
Advocate
Premium
join:2004-06-22
North Richland Hills, TX

Re: Bellsouth is gonna be AT&T right?

After Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans CIO Greg Meffert got downtown businesses back online by opening the city’s 512kbps wireless mesh network


Good job more should follow in his foot steps.
OK who is paying for the connection in the firstplace???
My guess is the Businesses them selves right??? How much IS that that Bellsouth is getting.
Well BEllsouth guess they could drop their contract and go with Cable.

After all that Louisana has been though the freakin nerve of Bellsouth tring to Shut it down of A little F*** technicallity. Who cars if its 512 hell make it 3000.
After All he is doing is keeping the businesses up and running so that they can Continue To bring $$$$$ in to the Economy there if someone dont do it the Businesses might move. What would that do to Lousiana?

After a What has happen the Fine Print should not apply.
Hence A major Diasater pretty much almost wiped them of the MAP. Untill After they get Back to a state that It was in before the Hurricane And the Flooding.
Christ sakes Bellsouth if you dont like it Get your A** in gear and deploy your own Wireless To anyone that needs it FREE
Whithin reason After All How many are still paying thier bill And not getting Service Via The Phonelines???

Can't they ever think of anything BUT $$$$$$$
We have People Banning toghether IN a area of DEVISTATION.
Stay out of it and let them DO it.
The Ceo's That are trying to Shut this down IN this Case should be Put IN the Field And made to Work With them With some HARD laber just like everyone else!!!! POINT BLANK

They would be if i was President.
$$$$$$$$$$$ is the root of all EVIL
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ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT

Re: Bellsouth is gonna be AT&T right?

LOL

Motorolaman

@cox.net

eXOS and friends of Edwin Edwards

the link to the Baton Rouge Business Report is old- here's a link to news report yesterday that's more up to date:

»www.2theadvocate.com/news/politi···931.html

there are numerous political agendas here which probably come down to money in someone's pocket. nothing to do with Meffert. the Tulane solution involved the folks at State Police communications and would require a matrix/switchboard (run by the State Police?) the State had just finished conversation in 1999 to statewide SmartZone digital system which didn't really help local responders in New Orleans during Katina. with this new 700 mhz system your talking about total UHF radio hardware replacement. I doubt many local governments will have the money to purchase this equipment if software solution flies. the reality is that there isn't enough money to build a communication system that will survive a cat4 hurricane/storm surge.
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