Cable Execs: Video Won't Float Without Us'You have to be partnered with the cable industry'( old news - 01:47PM Wednesday Apr 12 2006) tags: VideoThe cable industry has a friend in HDNet chief and Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, who not only agrees with the incumbents on the net-neutrality issue, he's apparently promising them his company won't use the "open internet" to distribute his company's high-def content. This Light Reading article is chock full of cable executive quotes on how web video content won't work if you don't control the last-mile. "The Internet really isn’t built to distribute mass-market video," opines Cablevision's COO. "If you really want to do video you have to be partnered with the cable industry," he insists. "It’s all about QOS," agrees Cox Communications president Pat Esser. Cuban, hoping to net a lucrative partnership with one or all, agrees. Obviously the dozens of major content companies cooking up their own video content don't. Cuban was sharply criticized for his position on net-neutrality when he posted this comment to his blog last January. "Maybe, there are multiple-tiers of Mark Cuban, and maybe this blog posting came from one of the lower tiers," joked VoIP guru Jeff Pulver in response.
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 deepblackmag
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00000 | Dot Dot Dot Apparently they havent been following the whole bittorrent thing. GG execs. | |
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Harddrive
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| Re: Dot Dot Dot and don't forget Usenet binary files. everyday the cable companies seem to be getting the dunce hat. their stupid remarks should be an sign of how oblivious they are.
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rtcy
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| Re: Dot Dot Dot said by Harddrive  :and don't forget Usenet binary files. everyday the cable companies seem to be getting the dunce hat. their stupid remarks should be an sign of how oblivious they are. ALSO add that in 3 years when HD becomes the standard his, niche will be dead or "just" another channel.
right now with little HD and what is there is being compressed to hell by his CABLE and SMALL dish buddies, it makes his HDNET special, but only for 3 more years. | |
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Harddrive
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| Re: Dot Dot Dot and that's exactly why all of the cable companies lobbied so hard against it and hope that somehow they can keep getting it pushed back further.
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join:2000-05-11 | I thought... ...this IPTV thing wasn't a threat to cable. They certainly are wasting a lot of time and wind talking about it though.
Scared much?
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1 edit | Re: I thought... I guess Akimbo doesn't count... HDNet has already started providing HDNet in HD over their MCE service. (They don't have their HD box out yet.) I think it is common for companies to downplay threats that they know might cost them a lot of money. It would be like you telling your little brother that a piece of cake doesn't taste good so he won't ask for a bite. | |
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| Re: I thought... Ah, but if you were that little brother, wouldn't it make you want the whole thing? 
Someone should be keeping score on these cable execs as they whistle through the newly-platted video graveyard, trying to avoid seeing their own names. Karl Bode ? It would be educational to compare what they are saying in each of these press releases.
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clubs: | Re: I thought... Most definitely... | |
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LilYoda
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Mountains | Meh... I just checked Akimbo, and it looked like the best thing since sliced bread, until I noticed that all of the shows I was interested in are charged 99 cents each episode  | |
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| Re: I thought... There are a lot of shows that do cost, unfortunately. From what I understand, they are working on a new pricing scheme that will change all of that. Some channels have subscriptions. For a couple dollars a month you avoid the individual shows. I believe that most of the channel subscriptions are under $6. | |
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LilYoda
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Mountains | Re: I thought... I saw that. However, for a subscription to 3 channels, you end up close to $30 a month... Not that great a deal anymore :/
The only good thing is that apparently there aren't any commercials. But a MythTV box can do that too. | |
| clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| Keep it Up Boys! Cable and telco execs need to get it through their thick skulls that as far as video is concerned, they too can be bypassed. Networks are keeping a watchful eye on the Free-to-Air world and have just about convinced themselves that they can use that as a negotiating tool.
While these people fight over who will get access to their customer base, the content providers might just do an end-run around them. | |
| IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
| Makes sense NOT I guess this chap also believes that telephony is also ONLY for the Baby Bell telephone companies....Oh wait no, he also offers telephony in competition to those Baby Bell comapnies.
Oh I C. One Rule for me and another for everyone else. Ahh now that makes more sense;) | |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| I'm very confused now Didn't the telco's (Verizon, AT&T, Qworst) all say "You must be partnered with US to send video".. (right before they tried to extort money from google, etc. So this is like a SECOND mob family coming in, and offering to protect google.
Hmm.. so are the Telco's the Corleone family, and the cableco's the Tattaglia family? Or is it the other way around? Where's sean connery with a shotgun when you need him!
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oliphant
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| LOL Have to be partnered with the cable industry? Really? LOL as Verizon deploys FIOS in my neighborhood and tons of others.
Wishful thinking there dopes. Keep that swollen head in the sand while your competitors smoke you in every facet of your business.
It's time to stop the denial, quit raping your customers and improve your own products or you will be the next Nintendo wondering WTF happened to the money tree.
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| Re: LOL said by oliphant :It's time to stop the denial, quit raping your customers and improve your own products or you will be the next Nintendo wondering WTF happened to the money tree. »www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=···er=japan
"April 4 (Bloomberg) -- Nintendo Co., the world's biggest maker of handheld video-game players, said annual profit rose to a four-year high and announced a record dividend after gains in the dollar increased the value of overseas assets and earnings...."
»www.kotaku.com/gaming/finance/ri···4952.php
"Coasting on the laurels of the DS and the DS Lite’s popularity, Nintendo posted a profit of 95 billion yen ($808 million dollars). Even with the Gamecube as a stagnant third-place in last generation’s console wars, the wild success of the DS has completely validated Nintendo’s risky ventures. That Nintendo has done so well on what was considered an experimental handheld probably bodes well for their success with the Revolution."
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oliphant
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2 edits | Re: LOL The $808M is NET INCOME not profit...big difference.
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Net income climbed 8.7 percent to 95 billion yen ($808 million) in the year ending March 31, the company said in a preliminary earnings statement.
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| Re: LOL ahhh its one in the same. I'm not a economics expert by any means but NET means they have 808 million to play with now that all the bills are paid
»www.investorwords.com/3247/net_income.html
net income
Definition 1
In business, what remains after subtracting all the costs (namely, business, depreciation, interest, and taxes) from a company’s revenues. Net income is sometimes called the bottom line. also called earnings or net profit.
Definition 2
For an individual, gross income minus taxes, allowances, and deductions. An individual's net income is used to determine how much income tax is owed. | |
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oliphant
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1 edit | Re: LOL My bad...I thought that net income wouldn't include tax related issues...depreciation, taxes, regulatory costs also future debt obligations like pensions, stock options etc.
However, even at $808M, it's currently lower than it was in the past before the release of the DS (according to the article..."highest in 4 years"). The DS simply kept them from going out of business, but they are not what they used to be.
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| Re: LOL said by oliphant :My bad...I thought that net income wouldn't include tax related issues...depreciation, taxes, regulatory costs also future debt obligations like pensions, stock options etc. However, even at $808M, it's currently lower than it was in the past before the release of the DS (according to the article..."highest in 4 years"). The DS simply kept them from going out of business, but they are not what they used to be. I do believe, however, that Net Income is before stock dividends are paid out, since those come off the bottom line. | |
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richardpor
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| Why Net Neutrality will not fly. While arrogant it makes sense. HDnet wants to provide streaming HD video to by bypassing the public internet. It wants to do this by creating a private dedicate form server to cable pop. If Wyden has his ways this arrangement will illegal.
People, Activist and politicians are ignorant that the physical fiber that internet backbone traffic travels on is a multi tiered network also responsible to carry traffic from Pots, dedicated networks (T1, T3,56K). Net neutrality is nothing more than an Internet socialist land grab by saying if Internet traffic crosses your network, the whole network is public property. The Telco has never said any thing about slow down packets on the internet but if they want to build a super fast private network and HDnet want to buy it, then government should but out. | |
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@rr.com | Re: Why Net Neutrality will not fly. But if you look back to the beginning the entire concept of building a second network is spin. It was all added to the discussion as damage control. If you don't believe me look back to the first couple of statements that started the debate. | |
| | travelguy
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| Which explains why the telcos have been plotting to charge content providers for access to their DSL subscribers and why the cable companies have been silently cheering them on.
The Telcos saw TV over IP as their way of competing with cable companies, as long as the cable model worked. That model has the cable companies charging the consumer, plus collecting ad revenue and "slotting fees" from the channels.
Producers selling programs direct to the consumer take all that revenue away from the phone/cable companies, and they don't like being just a pipeline supplier.
"Slotting Fees" is a term from the grocery industry, where manufacturers or distributors pay the grocery store to put their product on the aisle endcap. Those fees can take the form of cash, extra product to sell at a future date, advertising support, etc., but the most common is a cold hard cash payment to the store or chain, based on the number of days the product is displayed on the end cap.
In the case of cable or satellite TV (known as a MSO), the most common example of this are the so called shopping channels. Its been widely reported that those channels pay a fee/percentage of the channel's gross sales to the cable company. How they handle a situation where both cable and satellite carry the same channel in the same zip code, I don't know. Maybe they ask the buyer what channel number they are watching.
In addition to that, its not unusual for a new channel to offer cash to an MSO in order to get picked up and distributed. These payments can go on for years until the channel either gets a large enough audience to exist on ad revenue and popular enough to extract a per subscriber fee from the MSO, or the channel gets dropped. This by the way, is a major reason why it is so hard for a new channel to launch in today's bundled environment and why the theory that niche channels will disppear if ala carte were implemented is specious.
Finially, most ad supported channels provide what are called local insert ad slots. These are preemptable ads that the MSO can replace with their own ads. Think "Boflex", "Pseudo Viagra" and all those goofy "Fat Burner" ads, with the
MSO keeping all the advertising revenue.
All of these revenue sources for the MSO disappear when the business model for programs is direct sale from the producer or content owner.
The problem is obvious, when you have a system where the pipe is controlled by someone who has a financial interest in providing content over that pipe, what happens? We learned this lesson when oil companies owned pipelines and most
retail stations and movie studios owned the theaters. Guess what will happen this time around? | |
| peerimpact
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Londonderry, VT | Mark Cuban owns a p2p content delivery company Mark Cuban owns Red Swoosh a p2p company that delivers video content for iFilm with a peer to peer plugin .
Mark discredits everything that he does'nt have investments in . | |
| RichNice
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Columbia, MD | Huh? When did Mark Cuban become relavent? | |
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