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Liberal 527 group urges Congressional action
(old news - 09:09AM Friday Apr 21 2006)
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Left wing 527 group Moveon.org, fresh from its assault on AOL's use of Goodmail certified e-mail, is now apparently taking on the net-neutrality fight, reports IP Democracy. The group is sending around an e-mail to its 3 million alert subscribers asking them to sign a petition urging Congress to act "so Amazon doesn't have to outbid Barnes & Noble for the right to work more properly on your computer."

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rileyjam514
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This has nothing to do with Amazon

They're worried that some areas may choose to block traffic to their site (which is a distinct possibility).

I don't agree with MoveOn personally (I think they should've "moved-on" long ago), but in this case they've got a point - businesses aren't the only ones being targeted here by the ISPs. I think they ought to have phrased it differently - focus on the fact that if things go the way ISPs want them to go, there won't be a MoveOn.org any longer (which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it's a double-edged sword).
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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

the paragraph you include on the bottom of your post.... aren't you ashamed to include that? have you no self respect? are you proud to alert every member of DSL reports of you views being an out of touch, ignorant, racist, homofobe? have a little respect for the other members here and omit your vile hate from your posts.

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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

said by rit56 See Profile :

the paragraph you include on the bottom of your post.... aren't you ashamed to include that? have you no self respect? are you proud to alert every member of DSL reports of you views being an out of touch, ignorant, racist, homofobe? have a little respect for the other members here and omit your vile hate from your posts.
Why the hell should he omit it?

There are plenty of Bush-bashers, Conservative-bashers, Republican-bashers, and Capitalist-bashers here at BBR with sigs I find just as offensive.
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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

"Republicans have this funny habit of confusing freedom with what their view of freedom in America is... what's good for affluent white America and Corporations is all that matters and dissent is Un American"

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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

said by rit56 See Profile :

"Republicans have this funny habit of confusing freedom with what their view of freedom in America is... what's good for affluent white America and Corporations is all that matters and dissent is Un American"
Very true.

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said by kamm See Profile :

said by rit56 See Profile :

"Republicans have this funny habit of confusing freedom with what their view of freedom in America is... what's good for affluent white America and Corporations is all that matters and dissent is Un American"
Very true.
Just like it's true that the NYC area is home to the largest concentration of hard Leftists in the entire United States. Since you're so near Canada, it's too bad we can't do a straight swap. All of NY State, (including Schumer and BOTH Clintons) for those Western Province that have a Conservative base and lots of oil.
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said by qdemn7 See Profile :

Just like it's true that the NYC area is home to the largest concentration of hard Leftists in the entire United States. Since you're so near Canada, it's too bad we can't do a straight swap. All of NY State, (including Schumer and BOTH Clintons) for those Western Province that have a Conservative base and lots of oil.
Which has always perplexed me as NY, NY has to be one of the most materialistic centres of the WORLD. But hey, with Hillary as their spokesperson wearing her Chairman Mao clothing line; preaching about how so many are troubled and poor; how terrible that all is while she rakes in the millions and millions of dollars of book deals etc. --- I guess to be a Lib is to practice a mantra of duplicity.
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Got to love people like Kerry preaching about environmental issues when he and his wife own a fleet of SUVs, a private jet, multiple fully staffed mansions, etc.

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said by TechieZero See Profile :

Which has always perplexed me as NY, NY has to be one of the most materialistic centres of the WORLD. But hey, with Hillary as their spokesperson wearing her Chairman Mao clothing line; preaching about how so many are troubled and poor; how terrible that all is while she rakes in the millions and millions of dollars of book deals etc. --- I guess to be a Lib is to practice a mantra of duplicity.
Easily explained. Having lots of money is only evil when someone else does. When the Left has lots of money it's perfectly OK because "they care, they really do."
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"When the Left has lots of money it's perfectly OK because "they care, they really do.""

Wow! You FINALLY understand. I've been telling you that since the beginning. Are you just understanding it now? It's the highly educated people (who are almost universally liberal) that understand that concept, and I welcome you to our fold. "Join me, and together we can overthrow the fascist Bush and his jackbooted thugs, for together we can rule the galaxy." "qdemn7, I am your father..."
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said by G_Poobah See Profile :

It's the highly educated people (who are almost universally liberal) that understand that concept, and I welcome you to our fold.

Education does not necessarily instill common sense!

MoveOn = wackos with too much time on their hands
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said by G_Poobah See Profile :

"When the Left has lots of money it's perfectly OK because "they care, they really do.""

Wow! You FINALLY understand. I've been telling you that since the beginning. Are you just understanding it now? It's the highly educated people (who are almost universally liberal) that understand that concept, and I welcome you to our fold. "Join me, and together we can overthrow the fascist Bush and his jackbooted thugs, for together we can rule the galaxy." "qdemn7, I am your father..."
I guess, I should have put sarcasm tags in my post.

And if you're my father, remember this "Daddy": The Apprentice is always looking to kill the Master. It would be a two for one. "Take out" the trash and make the world a better place.
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to my friend gdem

you sir are un American. you're not a patriot. you're a disgrace to everything the USA stands for. I forwarded your post to several friends I have from Texas, 2 live here and one in Dallas and all of them as fellow Texans are ashamed. all 3 are right wing Republicans and think what you wrote is not only a disgrace but they also said the majority of Texans would never turn their back on any part of the United States. what's your excuse? because of a difference of opinion you would turn your back on a part of your own country? trade it off to another country? stand and watch it burn like you more than likely did while the towers burned? I bet you were glad it happened to New York right? I bet even now you think New York deserved it. you make every American look bad. did you know West Point is in New York? do you know the top 2 states in the USA who send the most kids there to become officers? New York and Texas. that's right New York has more graduates than any other state in the Union other than maybe Texas.. New York. A blue state full of Patriots. I've been to West Point many times, took the tour, saw a concert there. They never asked me what my politics were nor did I have to prove I was a citizen. I was welcomed as a tax paying Patriotic Citizen and I was treated respectfully. all of upstate is republican and you are to ignorant to understand that diversity is what made the United States in the first place. crawl back into your dung hole and continue to blame everyone else for the failures we have now as a nation on everyone other than the President. he is in charge. he is responsible.

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said by rit56 See Profile :

you sir are un American. you're not a patriot. you're a disgrace to everything the USA stands for. I forwarded your post to several friends I have from Texas, 2 live here and one in Dallas and all of them as fellow Texans are ashamed. all 3 are right wing Republicans and think what you wrote is not only a disgrace but they also said the majority of Texans would never turn their back on any part of the United States. what's your excuse? because of a difference of opinion you would turn your back on a part of your own country? trade it off to another country? stand and watch it burn like you more than likely did while the towers burned? I bet you were glad it happened to New York right? I bet even now you think New York deserved it. you make every American look bad. did you know West Point is in New York? do you know the top 2 states in the USA who send the most kids there to become officers? New York and Texas. that's right New York has more graduates than any other state in the Union other than maybe Texas.. New York. A blue state full of Patriots. I've been to West Point many times, took the tour, saw a concert there. They never asked me what my politics were nor did I have to prove I was a citizen. I was welcomed as a tax paying Patriotic Citizen and I was treated respectfully. all of upstate is republican and you are to ignorant to understand that diversity is what made the United States in the first place. crawl back into your dung hole and continue to blame everyone else for the failures we have now as a nation on everyone other than the President. he is in charge. he is responsible.
First of all I’m not your friend. You’re just an anonymous name on the internet. And I don’t give a good goddamn what your OR your friends think of me.

And NO, I was not glad what happened on 9/11. Not to the NYC. Not to DC. Not to the people murdered on the airliners. There can be no defense what was done that day to this country.

And you can talk all you want about patriotism, but it’s not been Texas’ politicians trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment ever since they have been in office like Schumer has. The Constitution is not a buffet, where you can pick and choose what parts are important and which parts aren’t. I regard the 2nd Amendment as of equal importance to the 1st. Too bad the people in NYC don’t feel the same way, but I refuse to let YOU try to take my rights away.

And guess what, Bush is in charge, and he and his appointees have screwed up. That’s why his approval ratings are so low. And as Truman said, ‘The buck stops here.” I’ll be the first to admit Bush has done a poor job in the last 18 months. Here’s my proof of that in this thread: »Bush 60% Disapproval

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Alright here goes, I going to rip some asses with this one.

No the Republican Party isn't "doomed". Only this iteration of the Republican Party. That is the iteration catering to Religious Conservatives trying to shove a Biblical based morality down people's throats.

The Republican Party as it currently exists has lost it's way:

It has sacrificed fiscal responsibility for a faith "based" agenda, trying to right all social ills through Big Government, just like we always accused the Left of trying to do.

It has allowed a group of politicians who have forgotten the Oath they swore to Protect and Defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Politicians who threaten Jurists who don't rule their way.

It has sacrificed Science, Reason and Technology, three things that have made America a World Leader, for some mystical mumbo-jumbo that equates a fertilized egg as equivalent to a living breathing human being. Who try to make people believe the Earth was created in six 24 hour days.

It has sacrificed the concept of America First, to a Global Economy that equates American Workers to Workers in any Third World Cesspit.

It has created a class of Capitalists that are the most amoral and disloyal group of businessmen since those who wondered whether it was possible "to do business with Hitler."

We need a time in the "wilderness". We need time to reflect on our mistakes and errors. We need to tell those people who think otherwise that this is a Republic whose Supreme Law is a Constitution and a set of laws made by men. Not the Bible. Not the Torah. Not the Koran. Not the Ten Commandments. To tell those who would institute a Theocracy that they are traitors to the idea and the ideals of America, no matter what faith they hold.

What we need is a plain spoken man with the guts of Harry Truman, and the ideology of Barry Goldwater. And right now, I don't see one.
One last thing, you need to pick up a little book called "Elements of Style". Your looks like it was done by a Primary School student. Ever heards of using capitalization?
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said by rit56 See Profile :

"Republicans have this funny habit of confusing freedom with what their view of freedom in America is... what's good for affluent white America and Corporations is all that matters and dissent is Un American"
So where do you work? Do you work for a corporation?
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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

said by TechieZero See Profile :

So where do you work? Do you work for a corporation?
People like him make me wish I worked for an evil corporation. I think my next job change might be for Big Oil or Big Tobacco
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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by TechieZero See Profile :

So where do you work? Do you work for a corporation?
People like him make me wish I worked for an evil corporation. I think my next job change might be for Big Oil or Big Tobacco
"Evil Corporation" my ass.

People in this country don't really know what an EVIL CORPORATION really is. If they were all the true fascists that these Leftists claim, then a great many of these Leftists would be having "tragic accidents" every damn day. In fact with the rise of the 'net, the death rate among the Leftists would exceed that of those with Lung Cancer.
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said by TechieZero See Profile :

So where do you work? Do you work for a corporation?
please please please please please...
Can I call him an astroturfer?
disc

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said by TechieZero See Profile :

So where do you work? Do you work for a corporation?
I'm sure plenty of us work for corporations, me included. But you seem to suggest that corporations are a benign influence in the world. Corporations are good at producing cash flows. They just can't see farther than that - they'll be the first to admit that that's as far as they want their responsibilities/liabilities go. They can certainly be irresponsible when it comes to other facets of life.

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said by TechieZero See Profile :

So where do you work? Do you work for a corporation?
I'm sure plenty of us work for corporations, me included. But you seem to suggest that corporations are a benign influence in the world. Corporations are good at producing cash flows. They just can't see farther than that - they'll be the first to admit that that's as far as they want their responsibilities/liabilities go. They can certainly be irresponsible when it comes to other facets of life.
Most of the time corporations are benign. You, me, and the next guy can get together and form one, become employed by one and hire others to be a part of it. We are the Corporations and like everything else, it has it's equivalent share of criminals. That in itself does not make them bad.

And yes we create corporations as a device to make money. Otherwise why bother and what's the point...
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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

I think where we as a society get ourselves into trouble is in following the mantra of laissez faire. That policy makes sense within the province of companies competing with each other and engaging with the marketplace.

In the case of the Internet, if we think of it as a marketplace, I think the question is whether we want the last-mile operators controlling access to that marketplace. This isn't so much the last-mile operators engaging with the marketplace as it is them becoming a mediator to the market place. This falls outside the province of where laissez faire operates effectively. In which case, let's be responsible and regulate it appropriately.

And in the case of the Internet, there's a wide swath of people for which the Internet as marketplace is a secondary aspect. They use the Internet for other needs. In which case again, this falls outside the province of where laissez faire operates effectively. Again, let's be responsible in what we allow the last-mile operators do here.

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said by rit56 See Profile :

the paragraph you include on the bottom of your post.... aren't you ashamed to include that? have you no self respect?
Maybe if you included a pro-Saddam line in your sig, he might be more inclined to pull his. Of course, you can always ignore people who offend you too.
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said by rit56 See Profile :

the paragraph you include on the bottom of your post.... aren't you ashamed to include that? have you no self respect? are you proud to alert every member of DSL reports of you views being an out of touch, ignorant, racist, homofobe? have a little respect for the other members here and omit your vile hate from your posts.
Here's a reality break for you. There are many here who agree with him. The only thing I see as out of touch was his compliment about "slick willy" being a sleazeball.
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What makes you think he's an "...out of touch, ignorant, racist, homofobe..."?

Making blind, factless statements like this is as bad as what you condemn.
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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

Didn't you miss the memo? Anyone not in agreement with you is immediately the exact polar opposite, a communist, racist, and obviously is in league with some evil axis of triumverate stubble-based devilry.

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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

Reminds me of the way people thought in 1950's of those who oppose the government where against america. It seems that way of thinking still exists to this very day.

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While I don't agree with what is said at the end of his post I will defend his right to say it because for now we still have a 1st amendment right to free speech. Even speech that others may find offensive.
Besides, no where in what he says is there anything racist or homophobic and just because you don't agree with his political views doesn't make them ignorant.
So it seems to me, with all your name calling you are the one not showing any respect to the members here and to the 1st amendment.
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Where did you did up racism, homophobia and being out of touch in that sig line? Oh I forgot, this is liberal America jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes. You liberals are so closed minded.

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said by Jon Geb See Profile :

Where did you did up racism, homophobia and being out of touch in that sig line? Oh I forgot, this is liberal America jumping to conclusions based on stereotypes. You liberals are so closed minded.
Did you know that the Right is NEVER supposed to lecture the Left about morality? But the Left can lecture the Right 24/7 about empathy, sympathy, sensitivity and diversity?
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Re: This has nothing to do with Amazon

I find it generally true that the farther one is political left, the more hypocritic they become.

Just because someone disagrees with MoveOn it does not mean they are a gay-bashing racist, okay? Making blatantly false accusations against someone else makes you look like a douche bag.
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Somebody totally missed the point.

Hehe... praising Ronald Reagan is now "hate speech."

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Oh, and by the way-- where were the racist and homophobic statements?

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What is the problem that sig is a joke. He has the right to put whatever he wants there. How is he homophobic, ignorant, racist, or out of touch with those views. How about some warrants before spewing off your hate. ON TOPIC: I think the Amazon and Barnes and Noble analogy is just less farfetched and understandable. The whole we are becoming a censored totalitarian society thing just doesn't cut it anymore since it was turned into such a cheap propaganda term in the last six years.
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So Much for Net Neutrality...

The people around this cause need to ask themselves a serious question... do they really think that getting the "help" of an organization which has such a long string of electoral failures is going to advance their cause?

If the "average American" looks at the issue of Net Neutrality and they see MoveOn.org attached to it, he/she is going to immediately think it is a bad idea and will vote accordingly.
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unbiased??

Left Wing?? So much for unbiased posts.

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The email if anyone cares

Dear MoveOn member,

Do you buy books online, use Google, or download to an Ipod? These activities, plus MoveOn's online organizing ability, will be hurt if Congress passes a radical law that gives giant corporations more control over the Internet.

Internet providers like AT&T and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard to gut Network Neutrality, the Internet's First Amendment. Net Neutrality prevents AT&T from choosing which websites open most easily for you based on which site pays AT&T more. Amazon doesn't have to outbid Barnes & Noble for the right to open more properly on your computer.

If Net Neutrality is gutted, MoveOn either pays protection money to dominant Internet providers or risks that online activism tools don't work for members. Amazon and Google either pay protection money or risk that their websites process slowly on your computer. That why these high-tech pioneers are joining the fight to protect Network Neutrality1—and you can do your part today.

The free and open Internet is under seige—can you sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you support preserving Network Neutrality? Click here:

»www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_in···cH3g&t=4

To save the Internet, there needs to be a public groundswell—so please forward this to 3 friends. Let them know protecting the free and open Internet is fundamental—it affects everything. When you sign this petition, you'll be kept informed of the next steps we can take to keep the heat on Congress. Votes begin in a House committee next week.

MoveOn has already seen what happens when the Internet's gatekeepers get too much control. Just last week, AOL blocked any email mentioning a coalition that MoveOn is a part of, which opposes AOL's proposed "email tax."2 And last year, Canada's version of AT&T—Telus—blocked their Internet customers from visiting a website sympathetic to workers with whom Telus was negotiating.3

Politicians don't think we are paying attention to this issue. Many of them take campaign checks from big telecom companies and are on the verge of selling out to people like AT&T's CEO, who openly says, "The internet can't be free."4

We need to let Congress know we are paying attention. Together, we must make sure they listen to our voices and the voices of people like Vint Cerf, a father of the Internet and Google's "Chief Internet Evangelist," who recently wrote this to Congress in support of preserving Network Neutrality:

My fear is that, as written, this bill would do great damage to the Internet as we know it. Enshrining a rule that broadly permits network operators to discriminate in favor of certain kinds of services and to potentially interfere with others would place broadband operators in control of online activity...Telephone companies cannot tell consumers who they can call; network operators should not dictate what people can do online.4

The essence of the Internet is at risk—can you sign this petition letting your member of Congress know you support preserving Network Neutrality? Click here:

»www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_in···cH3g&t=5

Please forward to 3 others who care about this issue. Thanks for all you do.

–Eli Pariser, Adam Green, Noah T. Winer, and the MoveOn.org Civic Action team
Friday, April 21st, 2006

P.S. MoveOn is part of a broad SaveTheInternet.com Coalition, with groups like Gun Owners of America, Free Press, consumer groups, and progressive and conservative bloggers alike—check it out!

P.P.S. If Congress abandons Network Neutrality, who will be affected?

Advocacy groups like MoveOn—Political organizing could be slowed by a handful of dominant Internet providers who ask advocacy groups to pay "protection money" for their websites and online features to work correctly.
Nonprofits—A charity's website could open at snail-speed, and online contributions could grind to a halt, if nonprofits can't pay dominant Internet providers for access to "the fast lane" of Internet service.
Google users—Another search engine could pay dominant Internet providers like AT&T to guarantee the competing search engine opens faster than Google on your computer.
Innovators with the "next big idea"—Startups and entrepreneurs will be muscled out of the marketplace by big corporations that pay Internet providers for dominant placing on the Web. The little guy will be left in the "slow lane" with inferior Internet service, unable to compete.
Ipod listeners—A company like Comcast could slow access to iTunes, steering you to a higher-priced music service that it owned.
Online purchasers—Companies could pay Internet providers to guarantee their online sales process faster than competitors with lower prices—distorting your choice as a consumer.
Small businesses and tele-commuters—When Internet companies like AT&T favor their own services, you won't be able to choose more affordable providers for online video, teleconferencing, Internet phone calls, and software that connects your home computer to your office.
Parents and retirees—Your choices as a consumer could be controlled by your Internet provider, steering you to their preferred services for online banking, health care information, sending photos, planning vacations, etc.
Bloggers—Costs will skyrocket to post and share video and audio clips—silencing citizen journalists and putting more power in the hands of a few corporate-owned media outlets.
To sign the petition to Congress supporting "network neutrality," click here:
»www.civic.moveon.org/save_the_in···cH3g&t=6

P.P.P.S. This excerpt from the New Yorker really sums up this issue well.

In the first decades of the twentieth century, as a national telephone network spread across the United States, A.T. & T. adopted a policy of "tiered access" for businesses. Companies that paid an extra fee got better service: their customers' calls went through immediately, were rarely disconnected, and sounded crystal-clear. Those who didn't pony up had a harder time making calls out, and people calling them sometimes got an "all circuits busy" response. Over time, customers gravitated toward the higher-tier companies and away from the ones that were more difficult to reach. In effect, A.T. & T.'s policy turned it into a corporate kingmaker.

If you've never heard about this bit of business history, there's a good reason: it never happened. Instead, A.T. & T. had to abide by a "common carriage" rule: it provided the same quality of service to all, and could not favor one customer over another. But, while "tiered access" never influenced the spread of the telephone network, it is becoming a major issue in the evolution of the Internet.

Until recently, companies that provided Internet access followed a de-facto commoncarriage rule, usually called "network neutrality," which meant that all Web sites got equal treatment. Network neutrality was considered so fundamental to the success of the Net that Michael Powell, when he was chairman of the F.C.C., described it as one of the basic rules of "Internet freedom." In the past few months, though, companies like A.T. & T. and BellSouth have been trying to scuttle it. In the future, Web sites that pay extra to providers could receive what BellSouth recently called "special treatment," and those that don't could end up in the slow lane. One day, BellSouth customers may find that, say, NBC.com loads a lot faster than YouTube.com, and that the sites BellSouth favors just seem to run more smoothly. Tiered access will turn the providers into Internet gatekeepers.4

Sources:

1. "Telecommunication Policy Proposed by Congress Must Recognize Internet Neutrality," Letter to Senate leaders, March 23, 2006
»www.moveon.org/r?r=1653

2. "AOL Blocks Critics' E-Mails," Los Angeles Times, April 14, 2006
»www.moveon.org/r?r=1649

3. "B.C. Civil Liberties Association Denounces Blocking of Website by Telus," British Columbia Civil Liberties Association Statement, July 27, 2005
»www.moveon.org/r?r=1650

4. "At SBC, It's All About 'Scale and Scope," BusinessWeek, November 7, 2002
»www.moveon.org/r?r=1648

5. "Net Losses," New Yorker, March 20, 2006
»www.moveon.org/r?r=1646

6. "Don't undercut Internet access," San Francisco Chronicle editorial, April 17, 2006
»www.moveon.org/r?r=1645
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Noah Vail
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The Enema of My Enemy is My Friend.

My goodness. moveon.org sure has a lot to say.

Now, if I've decoded this little note correctly, mo.org opines that a tiered internet is being constructed to silence mo.org's chorus of America saving voices.

Poor, oppressed mo.org.

Now what are we to do? Net neutrality is a good thing. The creation of it through government legislation is nearly certain to be a disaster. But let's pretend for a moment that it won't screw the net-mo-shpere (Look! I coined a new annoying catch word!) up beyond repair.

That would mean that mo.org is doing something that is good for America.

Holy Crap!

Ok. All at one time, everyone back away from the forum before mo.org catches on.

(We're still pretending that NN legislation isn't a disaster in the cooking.)

Next up!
Lambs and Lions diggin on each other, Al Gore and Spock enter Primal Scream Therapy and Air America speaks out against Chinese Civil Rights Violations.

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Re: The email if anyone cares

[Not quoted to save space]
First of all MoveOn dose not own the network. The companies do and have every right to set their TOS. They would have every right to block any disgruntled activist from spamming their net. Perhaps AOL dinged MoveOn because of spamming.

Second if some for of Net Neutrality Socialism is passes the little guy will be the most vulnerable. Like any government regulation the company will have no incentive to improve bandwidth to have traffic to handle the increasing loads caused by now voice and video over IP services. If the network is good, all packets get treated the same, but if the traffic is congested all packets will be treated the same. In other words yo637 ^^$4 r HDTV 8..,..% &^4 Pac&@!vak ets ….. is 97!!* treated no faster than a e-mail packet.
A more plausible case would happen is the bigger generator of data gets the most bandwidth. Let say an on-line brawl between MoveOn and Swift boat Vets for truth. Swift boats Vets can generate 50 times than MoveOn. The result is Swift Boats will be able to grab a larger share of bandwidth leaving smaller players to fight over the crumbs. Would it be better if smaller guy be able to buy a dedicated bandwidth on a two tiered internet to better compete with the big boys?
Talis

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Re: The email if anyone cares

said by richardpor See Profile :

Second if some for of Net Neutrality Socialism is passes the little guy will be the most vulnerable.
Please explain how network neutrality is socialism? The whole concept of net neutrality is that the network doesn't play favorites, at any level, be it the application / protocol level, the content level or the company level. How is that socialism?

said by richardpor See Profile :

Like any government regulation the company will have no incentive to improve bandwidth to have traffic to handle the increasing loads caused by now voice and video over IP services.
How so? Aren't these same companies improving their networks as we speak, without resorting to packet prioritization schemes? Why do they need this, other than as a revenue stream?
disc

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The Internet has been effectively operating with net neutrality since it's inception. None of what you described has happened. Seems pretty convincing argument to me that we should continue the status quo.
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Has this already been decided?

In the mid 90s I thought there was a push by the telcos to charge a "data fee" if you used your analog telephone line for Internet access. They cried that the "infrastructure" was being taxed because "data calls" were much more long lived than voice calls. Didn't the legislature prevent this?

While this new tactic is not exactly Apples to Apples, in spirit they seem similar -- they want to look at who is using or how it's used to gain profit.

I'm certain the telco has soiled themselves based on VOIP's popularity. I predict cable is next as content producers continue experimenting with Internet delivery.
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Move on....

Far be it for them to pontificate without knowing what they're talking about...

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