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Also fails in attempt to sue 13 year old girl
(old news - 11:56AM Sunday Apr 23 2006)
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According to the Rockmart Journal (via digg), the RIAA is suing a Georgia family for copyright infringement, despite the fact they don't own a computer. P2PNet meanwhile points out that a court has rejected an RIAA attempt to sue a thirteen year old girl; their attempts to sue parents as proxy for a child's activity have likewise been difficult.

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ggoose_69

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great

Nice work, keep up that great work you are doing.

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Re: great

I fully expect the RIAA to sue a dead person relatively soon.

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Re: great

said by aight See Profile :

I fully expect the RIAA to sue a dead person relatively soon.
Didn't they already do this?
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Re: great

[I fully expect the RIAA to sue a dead person relatively soon.
Na, what'll happen, since they found they can't sue those under 18, is the following:

-- packaging on CD's will become like software, with lengthy copyright license terms on the outside detailing what you can, and cannot, do with the copyrighted material contained on the CD therein;

-- opening of the package will constitute acceptance of the terms of the license;

-- since this acceptance is only enforcable on adults, stores will be prohibited from selling CD's to anyone under 18;

-- Oops! Someone in the music companies realizes that almost all of their existing sales are to people under 18; "what will we do now"?

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Re: great

said by PDXPLT See Profile :

[I fully expect the RIAA to sue a dead person relatively soon.
Na, what'll happen, since they found they can't sue those under 18, is the following:

-- packaging on CD's will become like software, with lengthy copyright license terms on the outside detailing what you can, and cannot, do with the copyrighted material contained on the CD therein;

-- opening of the package will constitute acceptance of the terms of the license;

-- since this acceptance is only enforcable on adults, stores will be prohibited from selling CD's to anyone under 18;

-- Oops! Someone in the music companies realizes that almost all of their existing sales are to people under 18; "what will we do now"?
Very simple. Pay more dollars to congress and have the laws changed that anyone regardless of age can be sued. No more protection for pre-18 year olds!
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Re: great

said by n2jtx See Profile :

said by PDXPLT See Profile :

[I fully expect the RIAA to sue a dead person relatively soon.
Na, what'll happen, since they found they can't sue those under 18, is the following:

-- packaging on CD's will become like software, with lengthy copyright license terms on the outside detailing what you can, and cannot, do with the copyrighted material contained on the CD therein;

-- opening of the package will constitute acceptance of the terms of the license;

-- since this acceptance is only enforcable on adults, stores will be prohibited from selling CD's to anyone under 18;

-- Oops! Someone in the music companies realizes that almost all of their existing sales are to people under 18; "what will we do now"?
Very simple. Pay more dollars to congress and have the laws changed that anyone regardless of age can be sued. No more protection for pre-18 year olds!
Na, rumour has it they are going to stop production of CD's and start selling Vinyl Records again

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Re: great

said by ifarrell See Profile :

Na, rumour has it they are going to stop production of CD's and start selling Vinyl Records again
Hell i miss the warmer sound of vinal my self. There are some highly specialized sound cards out there that add this warmness. Theres a paticular mother board that uses a cathode tube to add a warmness to the sound. Ive heard one in use and it is quite nice make most high end sound cards sound like total crap in comparison.

Personaly im suprised the record execs havent started creating vinal records to make some cash. There are still a large number of the 30+ crowd my self included who would buy records. Its funny but you can buy serious stereo equipment equiped with things like turntables and even 8 track tape decks (corse they also have cd player tape deck and cd burner and are many 1000s of dolors and are mostly aimed at people looking to make masters or remasterign of new albums.)
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Re: great

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said by ifarrell See Profile :

Na, rumour has it they are going to stop production of CD's and start selling Vinyl Records again
Hell i miss the warmer sound of vinal my self. There are some highly specialized sound cards out there that add this warmness. Theres a paticular mother board that uses a cathode tube to add a warmness to the sound. Ive heard one in use and it is quite nice make most high end sound cards sound like total crap in comparison.

Personaly im suprised the record execs havent started creating vinal records to make some cash. There are still a large number of the 30+ crowd my self included who would buy records. Its funny but you can buy serious stereo equipment equiped with things like turntables and even 8 track tape decks (corse they also have cd player tape deck and cd burner and are many 1000s of dolors and are mostly aimed at people looking to make masters or remasterign of new albums.)
Here's the link to it:

»www.digit-life.com/articles2/aopentube/

A-Open makes it. Also have posted a pic:

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Re: great

NO $%@&#$ WAY! That has to be a joke?
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Re: great

said by fireflier See Profile :

NO $%@&#$ WAY! That has to be a joke?
That board? No, it's not a joke.

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Re: great

Does it come with a spare? Do you have to wait for it to warm up prior to use? Man, if those caps blow...

Yeow!

Cool though. My brother rebuilt a Mcintosh tube amp and the thing would crank and blow any speakers we had. Three HUGE transformers...I painted skulls on them for him. Too bad he sold it as now they make speakers thak can handle them.

Tubes. Geeks rule!

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Re: great

said by cableties See Profile :

Does it come with a spare? Do you have to wait for it to warm up prior to use? Man, if those caps blow...

Yeow!

Cool though. My brother rebuilt a Mcintosh tube amp and the thing would crank and blow any speakers we had. Three HUGE transformers...I painted skulls on them for him. Too bad he sold it as now they make speakers thak can handle them.

Tubes. Geeks rule!
I don't think it comes with a spare, but the print says they make tubes that will replace this one if/when it fails.

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said by Cheese See Profile :

said by fireflier See Profile :

NO $%@&#$ WAY! That has to be a joke?
That board? No, it's not a joke.
I would love to try that board.I see not mention of power supply recommended,it also looks like it could be a heat throwing monster.
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I would have sworn this was all an April Fool's day hoax, if I hadn't gone to the AOpen site:

»usa.aopen.com/Products/mb/ax4b-533tube.htm

As an old tube-tech from radio years ago, I don't see how this triode amp, even if its taking the output off the Cathode, isn't emitting so much RFI inside that computer case it doesn't induce voltages EVERYWHERE on every buss and on every signal cable. Tubes are RFI demons!

John

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Re: great

said by Anodyzed :

I would have sworn this was all an April Fool's day hoax, if I hadn't gone to the AOpen site:

»usa.aopen.com/Products/mb/ax4b-533tube.htm

As an old tube-tech from radio years ago, I don't see how this triode amp, even if its taking the output off the Cathode, isn't emitting so much RFI inside that computer case it doesn't induce voltages EVERYWHERE on every buss and on every signal cable. Tubes are RFI demons!

John
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Do they make a sound card that uses a vacuum tube?

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said by ifarrell See Profile :

Na, rumour has it they are going to stop production of CD's and start selling Vinyl Records again
They do still sell vinyl records. I have some new ones in my stash. And many of my Vinyl Records I listen to in mp3 format on my computer. There is no way to stop the digitization of sound. Physically impossible, short of physically removing the recording device from everybody.
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Re: great

said by Maxo See Profile :

said by ifarrell See Profile :

Na, rumour has it they are going to stop production of CD's and start selling Vinyl Records again
They do still sell vinyl records. I have some new ones in my stash. And many of my Vinyl Records I listen to in mp3 format on my computer. There is no way to stop the digitization of sound. Physically impossible, short of physically removing the recording device from everybody.
I wouldn't put it past them.
If the &^AA had their way, they would ban all recording devices.
They've been fighting it since the Dark Ages.
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But how does any of that stop a 13 year old from downloading and sharing music?

No one has to buy anything for that to occur.

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Yes they did

»forums.ind-music.com/viewtopic.php?t=24

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April 23rd, @04:39PM

oops, well the link was live at one time...

Jason Levine
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Re: Yes they did

Here's another link:

»boston.com/news/odd/articles/200···d_woman/

(Though there's something ironic about the link being dead too. )

P2PPirate2

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It happens already, RIAA sue a deceased Grandmother last Febuary. you can read it with the link below

»www.betanews.com/article/RIAA_Su···07532260

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I think its a matter of days until they sue themselves for copyright violation (I mean, who else is left?)

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Sounds like an ISP screw-up

Or, how do we know the family isn't lying?

The article provides NO proof they don't own a computer. Did the "reporter" actually see no computer?

It could be a previous tenant, but sounds more like the ISP gave the wrong info. However, if the ISP did, they did DURING the time the family lived there based upon the IP address (if some little ISP, Duh!). Either the ISP gave the wrong address or the little 13 year old is playing the dumb act or the parents destroyed evidence (the computer).

hnsez

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I suggest you put your money where your mouth is.

Since they started suing people I have bought ZERO music CD's from the RIAA.

I stopped downloading MP3's also.

RIAA would have noticed if enough of us had done the same.

If everyone who wastes their time RIAA hating on the Intarwebs would have done the same I bet they would have gotten the message and stopped sueing people.

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How'd they get her info?

If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information?
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Re: How'd they get her info?

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If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information?
google
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Re: How'd they get her info?

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said by Rob See Profile :

If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information?
google
That doesn't make any sense at all.
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Re: How'd they get her info?

They most likely went to google and entered random phone numbers until they got a hit, at times it seems like that's what the RIAA does.
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ok? The RIAA resorted to just drawing names out of a hat.
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said by Rob See Profile :

said by BIGMIKE See Profile :

said by Rob See Profile :

If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information?
google
That doesn't make any sense at all.
I think it was meant as a joke.

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Taking countless people to court for swapping music doesn't make sense either.

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OR freedom of information Act

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Re: How'd they get her info?

FOIA doesn't apply, most likely the family has some sort of set top box for cable tv; each box is assigned an IP via DHCP. Chances are the box ntpd synchs to another time server than the cmts ntpd there by allowing a gap in the logs of little joey downloading, and these people plugging in the set top box, or rebooting it. Grabbing Little Joey's ip since his parents just took the cable modem out of his room for his dad to use to download the latest GGW Spring Break endeavor.
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said by Rob See Profile :

If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information?
Most likely, bad info from an ISP responsible for the offending IP address.

Possible scenario: Previous owner of house downloads or uploads music and has an account with ISP. New owner moves in and establishes a TV video account, but no internet access. ISP gets subpoena. Checks IP address and matches it with an account address from logs at time of offense. Address given to RIAA. Lawsuit undertaken. Sloppy work all around by ISP and RIAA lawyers.
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They supposedly only lived at their current address for under a year. So odds are it was the people who lived their before that downloaded the music. Or in the end it could have just been a database error, or human error when looking up information.

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How'd they get her info? If they are suing her and she doesn't own a computer, how did they get her information?

another fine example of the literacy level of the general public...
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Re: How'd they get her info?

Uhh Are you even reading this thread?
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ok but does the RIAA have to sue in a local court or can they use a court in their own state. because if they say went to an LA county civil court that judge's ruling has no authority over someone in say Florida(unless hes a Federal judge)
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How can this keep happening??

Seriously, someone should sue these guys for un do pain and suffering, I mean imagine one day you walk to your mailbox and see a letter saying your being sued for thousands of dollars but yet you know your inicient (seeing as these people don't own a computer to start with)

Why doesn't these people sue the RIAA for Pain and suffering, getting their facts wrong and anything else people can think of heck get a paper cut opening the letter, sue them for injury if they would of just got the right people the paper cut would of never happened.

Gotta love the Amercian Justice system folks I hope that the inocent people who are inocent in cases such as this stand up for themselves.
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Name this song

I have this song in my head; all I remember is the lyrics "Can I get an !@ " Don't know the name of the song but I wish more people would sing it when dealing with the RIAA!

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riaa found dead on street in a drive-by. details at 11

Oil industry earning RECORD profits.
Apple Computer Inc: RECORD profits, erhmm I mean profits from the RIAA's records, er recordings.. hehehe.

I'm shocked they can't find someone reasonable, like an OIL COMPANY board of directors family, or a gas-station gouging owner's family. Sheesh, ya know, go where the money really is... you can't pick on the little people 25/8/369!!!
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said by inothernews :

I'm shocked they can't find someone reasonable, like an OIL COMPANY board of directors family, or a gas-station gouging owner's family. Sheesh, ya know, go where the money really is... you can't pick on the little people 25/8/369!!!
They have better lawyers on retainer, not worth it to go after the rich folk...yet.
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Screw Em

THe RIAA is retarted

THey take the sped bus made just for them (the other speds are more smarter)

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THe RIAA is retarted

Not sure they were ever "tarted" in the first place...
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Crikey!

Did you see the songs he allegedly downloaded? I will personally kick my own ass if I ever got busted downloading Whitney Houston.

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Did you see the songs he allegedly downloaded? I will personally kick my own ass if I ever got busted downloading Whitney Houston.
They claim "she" shared files.

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Re: Crikey!

That's no excuse
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That Pirate flag i think represents RIAA right?

They are more like pirates than music downloaders..

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Re: That Pirate flag i think represents RIAA right?

It isn't just the RIAA. Both the music and movie industries
routinely use someone else's IP for their own purposes and
get away with it. Both industries are about as venal and
corrupt as they come, and for them to keep shouting about
piracy and infringement, etc., is sheer hypocrisy.

One of the MPAA 6 is Disney, and they are some of the
worst offenders in this area.
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April 23rd, @02:13PM

The RIAA can suck my balls....

I can tell their top graduate was probably from Chico state college if that. Their stupidity is beyond adjectives.

P2P ENCOURAGES SALES MOST OF THE TIME. Dumb-asses. If I try out a song at say 128Kbps bit rate and I feel the songs are good I would probably buy the higher quality version sooner or later. Also P2P spreads the artists popularity.

Secondly Microsoft Windows XP OS and others have been pirated since the day or before they even come out. However Microsoft hasn't sued many over this(maybe 5 people who really bootlegged it) and I have yet to see them go bankrupt. Oh wait you say they are the RICHEST company in the WORLD? Oh what a surprise. How do these RIAA idiots think Billy Gates even got into the computer business? BY GETTING HIS NAME OUT. P2P essentially does just that, it gets the artists name out to people that might have never heard of him before or thought of listening to that music.

Essentially the only thing the RIAA is doing is seeming like an evil corporation and shooting themselves in the foot. I wonder who manages the RIAA decisions because he is one big idiot on the way he handles matters.

My statement here was acknowledge by the richest man in the world who stated the same thing. I wonder who is right on making money. Billy Gates who acknowledges what I just said and makes BILLIONS or the RIAA who is seeming like a malicious dog hunting people.

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Re: The RIAA can suck my balls....

said by Obliteration See Profile :

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P2P ENCOURAGES SALES MOST OF THE TIME. Dumb-asses. If I try out a song at say 128Kbps bit rate and I feel the songs are good I would probably buy the higher quality version sooner or later. Also P2P spreads the artists popularity.

not relly if u get WMA
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Fear

It works. Just ask the college kids that took out loans to pay the RIAA.

By the way, Mike, it sounds like P2P downloading is your hobby.

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As far as your comments, people illegally download music to avoid paying for it. I doubt few download it for FREE so they can run to the records store to lay down $10-20 for the CD when they can just burn one for $.25.

riaa-hah

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computerless or not...

Lets assume the riaa did mess up the whole information process, and tried to sue a family with no computer. And lets say the same thing happends to family2, but they have a computer and honestly never did P2P before either, would anyone beleive them? I doubt it, and they would be sued for thousands based on information that HAS to be true, since they have a computer and the RIAA says so.