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New bill gives controversial law even more reach
(old news - 09:39AM Monday Apr 24 2006)
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The DMCA is an immense and broadly worded law that has been stretched for any number of legal fights, such as attempts to eliminate satire, force ISPs to reveal p2p user identities, limit streaming radio, prevent cellphone/service unlocks, prevent fair use DVD copying, and more (see EFF case list). Critics have been trying to get the bill scaled down for years, but according to CNET, Congress is preparing to do just the opposite.

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..just another day....

in the United Corporations of America. Now shutup and buy something, that is your sole reason for existence in this country.

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We've created our own personal little monster. Originally the corporation served us but now it has enslaved us.
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We nothing. The corporations seem to have exclusive use of the congress these days. This sort of behavior wont end until the nations populus understand whats going on, and they wont understand more than they are told by CNN or FOX until they have a good education... Does anybody else see a vicious cycle here? Government wants to keep power, government runs the schools (some of the worst among civilized countries) So to keep power it keeps the schools poor and people too stupid to see the long term effects of these bills. Excellent work. Dangle terrorist threats in front of their faces all day on the idiot box (TV) and they wont see the 2am laws being writen by the MPAA. BRAVO!

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The schools are anything but poor--they are very well-funded in fact. The problem is that the public schools are centers for indoctrination with the governmment-approved Socialist/Fascist ideas---insurance policy against ever returning to the US Constitution as the supreme law of the land.

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said by deepblackmag See Profile :

...Government wants to keep power, government runs the schools (some of the worst among civilized countries) So to keep power it keeps the schools poor and people too stupid to see the long term effects of these bills...
So how does the U.S. government keep people stupid? The way I see it, people choose to be stupid. The information is there, you just have to do a little of the work yourself to get at it. You can't stop the curious.
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said by Rook008 See Profile :

said by deepblackmag See Profile :

...Government wants to keep power, government runs the schools (some of the worst among civilized countries) So to keep power it keeps the schools poor and people too stupid to see the long term effects of these bills...
So how does the U.S. government keep people stupid? The way I see it, people choose to be stupid. The information is there, you just have to do a little of the work yourself to get at it. You can't stop the curious.
FEED THEM AS MUCH CRAP AS POSSIBLE. Startle them.
Tell them there's no limit to the amount of information a mind can hold. The average human brain can only hold 1/10 of a dictionary and no more. They have to dump out old information inorder to accept new one.
Why do we forget so often? there's a limit but education says other wise. never mind I'm beginning to sound like a tard the more I talk.

Even a computer is smarter then most American, that is it can hold lots more data, crunch number and it never forgets!
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and we will continue to exercise fair use because it is Gurenteed to us via US Copyright law. and since that law is older then the DMCA fair use is grandfathered in and cant be removed unless amended.
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I'm pretty sure that 'fair use' laws applied to non-digital media though. UNFORTUNATELY, the current corporate structure and all other entities to which it bribes (aka our adminstration) will probably see it as such and take no notice to the consumer.

It seems like were going back in time, when major companies joined to become super-corporations. They were broken up long ago, will we see this again? Probably not untill 2010 at least (taking into acount the time between now and getting a new, better adminstration, replacing all these greedy SoBs in FCC and other areas, and the time the courts take).
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said by jimbo2150 See Profile :

It seems like were going back in time, when major companies joined to become super-corporations. They were broken up long ago, will we see this again? Probably not untill 2010 at least (taking into acount the time between now and getting a new, better adminstration, replacing all these greedy SoBs in FCC and other areas, and the time the courts take).
Big corporations won't be broken up again, no matter who is in office. Since the advent of the global economy, the only way to compete against other international corporations based outside the US, was to grow as large as they were. There is no going back from that - ever.
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There is no going back from that - ever.
Unfortunately, that implies that the "little guy" no longer matters at all.
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said by LiamJunket See Profile :

Big corporations won't be broken up again, no matter who is in office. Since the advent of the global economy, the only way to compete against other international corporations based outside the US, was to grow as large as they were. There is no going back from that - ever.
That's a load of bush-wah! How many mega-bankruptcies does it take to convince people that mega-corporations do not represent the best defence of America's pre-eminence in technology, productivity, innovation and humanism? The evidence that small, nimble, innovative competitors are kicking the ass of behemoth corporations is abundant. The anti-competitive, anti-innovative nature of mega-corporations is their Achilles heel; they cannot respond swiftly and effectively to rapid changes in market condition. Their solution is to buy out the successful upstart competitors to reestablish market dominance. This strategy cannot endure due to factional and fractionalized derailment of corporate purpose, along with resultant increase in mass and inertia affecting the steerage of the corporate ship.

Furthermore, this proposed legislation, just like the DMCA it modifies and broadens, shall be the warden of an era of intellectual vacuousness akin to the so-called "Dark Ages". To say nothing of the deleterious effects of the criminalization of cultural behaviors and mechanisms which tend to preserve and expand the cohesiveness of society. This legislation removes or criminalizes the means to assimilate and reuse the intellectual and practical knowledge of prior and contemporaneous generations to foment intellectual innovation and contribute to the expansion of humanist evolution as well as the enrichment and betterment of society.

The logical end of this presumption, i.e., the DMCA, is the corporate patenting and licensing of all non-involuntary functions of the human being right down to the neural interactions giving rise to ideation, such rights being reserved to the corporate entities making up the board of governance of our future global state. I do not wish to be stripped of all that defines me as a human, only to have the bits and pieces, along with the requirements for life itself leased back to me on a per use basis. I don't want to live in a timorous world where thought itself is perforce temerarious, subject to intense surveillance and possible forfeiture of assets and/or personal freedom. A world where to merely share a thought without license is both criminal and subversive.

Movable metal type printing presses spurred the dissemination of knowledge and freed the masses from the tyranny of cloistered, controlled access to the accumulated culture of mankind giving rise to the flowering of human knowledge and our modern technological societies. The current "powers that be" are on the brink of stuffing that genie back into the bottle only five hundred and fifty years after its release. The effect of this extensive broadening of the DMCA cements in place the final piece of the fascist construct of control over the governed by limiting and/or criminalizing the right to accumulation, possession, assimilation, and dissemination of our collective thought and culture by institutionalizing threat, intimidation, involuntary surrender of privacy, asset forfeiture, and inevitable loss of both intellectual and physical freedom.

The only solution is regime change, as Bush and his minions prefer to call it, and the repeal of every vestige of their, and their masters, legislative initiatives and unconstitutional encroachments upon our civil liberties.

Impeach Bush now, remove his political appointees and their criminal legislative collaborators of all persuasions, and promote the restoration our constitutional government to one of the people, by people, for the people, free of corporate domination.
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said by ross See Profile :

said by LiamJunket See Profile :

Big corporations won't be broken up again, no matter who is in office. Since the advent of the global economy, the only way to compete against other international corporations based outside the US, was to grow as large as they were. There is no going back from that - ever.
That's a load of bush-wah! How many mega-bankruptcies does it take to convince people that mega-corporations do not represent the best defence of America's pre-eminence in technology, productivity, innovation and humanism? The evidence that small, nimble, innovative competitors are kicking the ass of behemoth corporations is abundant. The anti-competitive, anti-innovative nature of mega-corporations is their Achilles heel; they cannot respond swiftly and effectively to rapid changes in market condition. Their solution is to buy out the successful upstart competitors to reestablish market dominance. This strategy cannot endure due to factional and fractionalized derailment of corporate purpose, along with resultant increase in mass and inertia affecting the steerage of the corporate ship.

Furthermore, this proposed legislation, just like the DMCA it modifies and broadens, shall be the warden of an era of intellectual vacuousness akin to the so-called "Dark Ages". To say nothing of the deleterious effects of the criminalization of cultural behaviors and mechanisms which tend to preserve and expand the cohesiveness of society. This legislation removes or criminalizes the means to assimilate and reuse the intellectual and practical knowledge of prior and contemporaneous generations to foment intellectual innovation and contribute to the expansion of humanist evolution as well as the enrichment and betterment of society.

The logical end of this presumption, i.e., the DMCA, is the corporate patenting and licensing of all non-involuntary functions of the human being right down to the neural interactions giving rise to ideation, such rights being reserved to the corporate entities making up the board of governance of our future global state. I do not wish to be stripped of all that defines me as a human, only to have the bits and pieces, along with the requirements for life itself leased back to me on a per use basis. I don't want to live in a timorous world where thought itself is perforce temerarious, subject to intense surveillance and possible forfeiture of assets and/or personal freedom. A world where to merely share a thought without license is both criminal and subversive.

Movable metal type printing presses spurred the dissemination of knowledge and freed the masses from the tyranny of cloistered, controlled access to the accumulated culture of mankind giving rise to the flowering of human knowledge and our modern technological societies. The current "powers that be" are on the brink of stuffing that genie back into the bottle only five hundred and fifty years after its release. The effect of this extensive broadening of the DMCA cements in place the final piece of the fascist construct of control over the governed by limiting and/or criminalizing the right to accumulation, possession, assimilation, and dissemination of our collective thought and culture by institutionalizing threat, intimidation, involuntary surrender of privacy, asset forfeiture, and inevitable loss of both intellectual and physical freedom.

The only solution is regime change, as Bush and his minions prefer to call it, and the repeal of every vestige of their, and their masters, legislative initiatives and unconstitutional encroachments upon our civil liberties.

Impeach Bush now, remove his political appointees and their criminal legislative collaborators of all persuasions, and promote the restoration our constitutional government to one of the people, by people, for the people, free of corporate domination.
That's fine, but, if we do impeach bush, remove all of the members of congress and the judges, make sure you don't just go ahead and put democrats there instead - they're just as corrupt, as a whole. Make them independant, and BAN POLITICAL PARTIES! POLITICAL PARTIES == POLITICAL MACHINES == SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!
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said by Necronomikro See Profile :

That's fine, but, if we do impeach bush, remove all of the members of congress and the judges, make sure you don't just go ahead and put democrats there instead - they're just as corrupt, as a whole. Make them independant, and BAN POLITICAL PARTIES! POLITICAL PARTIES == POLITICAL MACHINES == SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!
I don't think I agree that banning and/or abolishing political parties is either necessary, or desirable. In fact, it is probably not even possible. The tendancy of like-minded people to form political associations and alliances to collectively promote, or protect, a common goal is akin to a natural law. I understand your inference that altruism and preservation of our constitutionally protected freedoms should be the guiding hand and focus of the political process and its various participants.

I do think a reformation of the Federal Elections Committee, and the election laws governing access to the ballot by third party candidates, is a basic requirement for any effective diversity in representation to gain a foothold.

It is crucial to the survival of our political system that the use of any electronic voting machine not based on public, open-source software, verified and certified by open, public, neutral third party access and review of both hardware and software design should be disallowed and prohibited immediately.

Corporate contributions of every type and description to political candidates and/or parties, whether directly or through lobbyists, should be prohibited. No exceptions! While corporations may have standing as a legal persona due to convenience/necessity in providing for governance of their public conduct and interactions in commerce, they should not be afforded the same standing and or protection with regard to access to the political process as a natural person. Their inherent construction and objectives combined with political purpose and access are detrimental to the common good, and ultimately subvert the rights of the people.
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Please read my other post here for a definition.

I have to mostly agree with Necronomikro.
Politicians are NOT leaders. They care 90% for themselves, pretty much any party would not just Dems or Reps.

I think Politicians should stick to what they do best, PR, and help real leaders (not politicians) get into office.

Although, ross, I do have to agree with your argument that we should have voting machines made and run by an open community. This would allow a great many people to keep the machine's code and data in check. Corporations should not run our government.
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I disagree with you and agree with Ross. Globalization has everything to do with business ineraction and (currently) nothing to do with residential services.

If these big companies are so "globally" inclined then they should stick to their business which is... business, not residential.

Where do you see Euro companies invading US internet markets??? I don't know about you, but it would cost me a pretty penny to have Bulldog run lines to my house. Typically, most areas may not even have any or much competition (maybe one DSL and one Cable?).
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I pledge allegiance...


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said by pb5k See Profile :

I pledge allegiance...


Shouldn't you be pledging allegiance to this flag instead?


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Re: ..just another day....

So I either agree with you or I'm a commie? There's a false dichotomy for you.

Oh, and the 1950s called, they want their red scare back.

tsu9

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I hate to break it to you, but the "red scare" is back, albiet under a new name.

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said by pb5k See Profile :

So I either agree with you or I'm a commie? There's a false dichotomy for you.

Oh, and the 1950s called, they want their red scare back.
Its funny how corporate shill boy hates commies yet its fine to deal with em for cheap Labor and goods.
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said by Jigsaw See Profile :

said by pb5k See Profile :

So I either agree with you or I'm a commie? There's a false dichotomy for you.

Oh, and the 1950s called, they want their red scare back.
Its funny how corporate shill boy hates commies yet its fine to deal with em for cheap Labor and goods.
What is surprisingly shocking is he/she actually favors the United States competing in a global economy with 3rd world ,tin pot pizz hole countries AT their level.

Instead of demanding they rise to our level of competition.If he/she wants global competition- that's fine.However if a corporation wants to set up shop in one of those 3rd rate shyte holes,at the cost of jobs in America,while wanting to import those goods back to the U.S.A. IMO I say ban them at every port of entry.

Fusk them and toss 'em' out.an advise them don't let the door hit ya in the azz on the way out.While their at it,those corps. can stick a broom up their azz and sweep up behind themselves also,while on the way out also.
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No, thats just when Democrats are in office...

Seeing as Republicans are in power the corporate flag stands.

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I think that I will get sick now!

cableties
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um, DMCA was passed under Democrats...

Let me dig out my congress addressbook and strat firing off emails...

(I get nice official letter back from each one!)

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Democratic president, Republican congress, IIRC. Neither party can feign innocence on this one, I'm afraid.

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(sarcastically) No shit?

I was talking about the flags.

cableties
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Oops.

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Can I fly to Sweden yet

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and Don't forget

DMCA was used to sue printer cartridge re-fill companies

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Re: and Don't forget

Well this has sure put me in a good mood for Monday. What a bunch of total, and complete, horse sh*t

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said by MxxCon See Profile :

DMCA was used to sue printer cartridge re-fill companies
Yeah, in a case which Lexmark subsequently lost.
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it still caused chilling effect..

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said by aaronfitz See Profile :

said by MxxCon See Profile :

DMCA was used to sue printer cartridge re-fill companies
Yeah, in a case which Lexmark subsequently lost.
It was silly to begin with, keep people from filling their own ink cartridges? My god! The world will end if they don't buy our overpriced-to-begin-with products that cost more than the printer itself! WAHHHHHH!

Davebo

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wow...

The 24-page bill is a far-reaching medley of different proposals cobbled together. One would, for instance, create a new federal crime of just trying to commit copyright infringement. Such willful attempts at piracy, even if they fail, could be punished by up to 10 years in prison.
Insanity...

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said by Davebo See Profile :

The 24-page bill is a far-reaching medley of different proposals cobbled together. One would, for instance, create a new federal crime of just trying to commit copyright infringement. Such willful attempts at piracy, even if they fail, could be punished by up to 10 years in prison.
Insanity...
And yet We The People see another example of a tyrannical government exceeding its powers to further attack the American People.Exactly what excuse err law is this passed under.? Homeland security to stop terrorists.? The Patroit Act or under the guise of protecting our children.?IMO it's quite clear which terrorists we must protect our children from.

Edit: For clarity.I didn't mean to call them terrorists.I mean to call them a bunch of no good cocksucking,fascist,tyrannical,extremist,traitorous terrorists hell bent on eroding The Constitution and The Bill of Rights and civil liberties.Everyday they put another nail in the coffin of Individual Freedoms.We are at a point in our Country's history where the obvious is undeniable.
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DMCA gets Broader

Here's the deal- we as taxpayers ONLY pay Congress their salary and staff plus "fact finding tours" while they make much, much more from the people and groups they really represent. And yet I vote at every election, it's like walking around with a lamp looking for an honest man not knowing you are blind.
jpark

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Our tax dollars at work ...

The US congress will pass whatever the RIAA and MPAA want -- for our protection, of course.

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Anticircumvention Tools and Terrorism

Smith's measure would expand those civil and criminal restrictions. Instead of merely targeting distribution, the new language says nobody may "make, import, export, obtain control of, or possess" such anticircumvention tools if they may be redistributed to someone else.
So basically, magic markers will now be illegal to possess because you might hand one to someone who uses it to bypass the copyright protection on a CD. Oops. Guess that link will be illegal also. And the computer you're reading this on? Illegal since you might possibly use it as an anticircumvention tool.

But my biggest laugh comes here:

During a speech in November, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales endorsed the idea and said at the time that he would send Congress draft legislation. Such changes are necessary because new technology is "encouraging large-scale criminal enterprises to get involved in intellectual-property theft," Gonzales said, adding that proceeds from the illicit businesses are used, "quite frankly, to fund terrorism activities."
Yes. We all know that al Queda's next nefarious plan involves flooding the P2P networks with the latest Jessica Simpson song. The fiends!
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Don't forget sticky notes. They can also be used to circumvent certain cd copy protections so they are illegal as well.

Don't deny it - if you are in posession of sticky notes or markers, you are a THIEF and should expect to be punished accordingly. After all, posession is 9/10s of the law!

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said by Jason Levine See Profile :

We all know that al Queda's next nefarious plan involves flooding the P2P networks with the latest Jessica Simpson song. The fiends!
Facilitating the propagation of Jessica Simpson's (and the like) "music" is a terroristic activity.

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fair what?

So I can understand fair use, it makes sense. I can also understand protecting the rights of the creators, writers, programmers, etc, but this is too much.

What's next, the "instrument of obedience" like that old Star Trek? You even think about it, and bam, instead of your head exploding, you get prison, which then brings cheap labor, which makes more corporate profit, while enslaving everyone.

This seems like it will only serve to make more problems than there were before.

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The law of diminishg returns

If you stand back and look at this bill, and ask yourself WHY such a bill could even be proposed, the reason becomes clear. The existing laws are not 'saving' the megacorps, the existing laws are apparently NOT providing the higher profits, etc. Since the current laws aren't working, their logical approach is to make a newer, even tougher law.

But it will fail, even worse than the first one, and will lead to a cascade failure of the legal system of the US. As our favorite paid corporate shill likes to say, "80% of all computer users are thieves". That means that 80% of the population does not respect the copyright laws, as it should be, so why should that same 80% respect traffic laws? embezzlement laws? or any law for that matter? Just like the prohibition, the law had the effect of making everyone a criminal, and once you think of yourself as a criminal, then why should you care about ANY law?
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said by G_Poobah See Profile :

Just like the prohibition, the law had the effect of making everyone a criminal, and once you think of yourself as a criminal, then why should you care about ANY law?
I had a similar but off topic conversation with a friend about Sudafed. Here in AZ regular people like me are being asked for ID, having their names, birth dates, address, and signatures logged all in the name of stopping meth.

I know meth is bad, but no one logs the name of the person who buys liquor and plows in to a soccer moms mini-van.
Do we now change the law and log all liquor purchases?

Any one using Sudafed must be drug addict who is criminal and therefore it is ok to violate their privacy. I know I get the evil eye every time I ask for the old Sudafed.

The new SudafedPE is made with phenylalanine (just like aspartame) but has no warnings on it. The new SudafedPE could put my wife in the emergency room. When I take the new SudafedPE, it sends my blood pressure through the roof.

So this is what it feels like to be like a criminal - interesting. So now I just must accept the fact that I am a criminal...
cableman0327

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Make Our Own Laws

Long , Long Time Ago, We The People Made The Laws,And Voted on it, Its time to IMPEACH The House, And Senate,And don't Forget The White House, Start over And Create The Laws WE The People Agree On.....And In the New Law, WE Throw The Dictators in Jail....

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spepper

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even broader?

How much broader can the DMCA get, when it allows lawyers to authorize indictments, therefore bypassing the US Constitution, which REQUIRES indictments be authorized by judges ONLY? So, since the United States signed away its sovereignty by agreeing to jurisdiction under the DMCA, it is as broad as the lawyers, who wave it in front of U.S. Courts, WANT it to be......

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agreed the quote about terrorists funneling money from pirating. Get real, why is it anytime somthing that affects america goverment uses scare tatics and says that awful "T" word?

Seriously, this is for the better of the companies that are involved. NOT US so when I buy a game and I go and download a no cd crack or somthing like that so I can keep the disc as good as new am I breaking the DMCA? even in the article the people who found the rootkit in sony's cds said they were scared to talk.

I'm 21 has the goverment always been like this? it seems more and more and more and more you hear about lobbying for millions of dollars, illegal bribes worth millions of dollars, illegal money used to run for president or any other part of the office. They are taking MILLIONS of dollars and you don't see them in prision or getting threatening letters in the mail and thye are proven guilty because there is evidance but yet us as americans are being sued by a loop hole in the system and already guilty until proven innocent and forced to pay thousands and thousands of dollars because we download the latest song from a website that doesn't support the RIAA.

Sorry to rant but this is just so goofy and mixed up. Why does lobbying even exist? obviously it doesn't bring anything good.
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tsu9

join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL

Sad.

It's pretty sad when we're combatting the very thing we're turning ourselves into.

Come election days, get out and vote appropriately, people. Don't passively permit our country to destroy its own ideals.

RR206

join:2001-12-11
Renton, WA
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Little longer

I expect this to last for about another 15-20 years. Our lawmakers are dinosaurs who's "technology" is a hot plate. Things will probably change once we get a generation shift in D.C. & get people that grew up around, & understand technology.

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stickstickly

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Private Use and Profiting from Piracy are different!

The Attorney General wants to get this passed saying that it funds terrorism. Well, downloading from P2P sites for personal use does not generate any income for infringers. Therefore, they must be talking about infringing copyrights in order to sell copyrighted works and make a profit. So why not put in a provision that excludes downloading for personal private use? Oh, because that's just a load of crap they are trying to use to kill our "freedom" even more. And most people in America are to stupid to see this. They will accept anything the government tells them and naively assume the government has their best interests in mind.

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
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Consumers / Citizens

It has been obvious for a long time now that we are nothing more than wallets to be picked. Notice how we are always referred to now as "consumers" and not "citizens". "American Consumers" not "American Citizens". And it is always worse around Christmas when the push for the "American Consumers" to spend more is always being reported.
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guitarzan
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My spidey sense

Tells me the repubs know full well they just lost all 3 branches of government in the coming elections and are enacting this bullshit,Out of vile contempt and hatred of the American People.
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Vote Blind...

It's definitely long overdue to start voting for whoever isn't representing either major party. It's also time to vote against whoever is in office, no matter what party they are from - i.e., voter-imposed term limits since the politicians will never limit themselves.

Damn: I swear this whole thing is like that crappy Eddie Murphy movie, The Distinguished Gentleman, except that none of these f*cker's are going to discover morality.

-tom
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Asmodeus

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

worst piece of legislation EVAR!!!

seriously, this piece of law is one of the worst pieces of ill-contrived set of statutes and laws that has ever existed... the dmca should never have seen the light of day and if any of you think that the riaa, mpaa, or even the patriot act are somehow overly intrusive into your life, then you haven't read a iota of what the dmca and now it's new expansion will do...

the issue of illegal immigration has nothing on this piece of illegitimate tort toilet paper... don't believe me, then go read it and you will know exactly what i'm talking about...
attsbcisgay

join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA

Re: worst piece of legislation EVAR!!!

Nothing in life comes without a fight. You think you can just walk freely in the park without any harassement from strangers?

Anonymous
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Terrorism

Why am I not surprised to see word 'terrorism' mentioned in this article?

Such changes are necessary because new technology is "encouraging large-scale criminal enterprises to get involved in intellectual-property theft," Gonzales said, adding that proceeds from the illicit businesses are used, "quite frankly, to fund terrorism activities."

Oh and I think this is really sad

"If Sony had decided to stand on its rights and either McAfee or Norton Antivirus had tried to remove the rootkit from my hard drive, we'd all be violating this expanded definition,"

Nice job corporate bitches...I mean Congressmen.

This govt makes me sick.

BTW We are funding terrorist activities of the CIA so we should be 'punished' too, they need to outlaw taxes.
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Republicans days are numbered....

Cant wait till november elections. Once democrats regain control of congress this is all coming to an end. Its like the Republicans forgot who they are. I used to like reagan republicans but this current crop of republicans put corporate interests ahead of the american people because they know when election time rolls around all they have to do is pull the same rabbit out of the hat... Gays, Guns and God.. And you suckkers fall for it all the time.

mrchris
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Re: Republicans days are numbered....

What's stopping people from voting Independant or Green?

TOPDAWG
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Midland, ON

Re: Republicans days are numbered....

They would never win one thing the dems and reps when someone else looks like they could take power from them they will team up on that person.

That is the one thing that can bring dems and reps together.
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Williamstown, NJ

said by mrchris See Profile :

What's stopping people from voting Independant or Green?
the two parties have made it difficult for anyone else to get on the ballot, its almost impossible for a third party to get on the ballot in every state. there will never be a third party majority

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You do know dems are the same right? Dems or Reps most all of them are rich man sons and never worked and have no idea how the common man feels. Both are the same both will not fight for your rights.

That is just how it is the people need to fight for their own damn rights. God damn people are cry babies in this day and age god nobody fights for anything anymore.

I mean you see a law you hate people say I won't stand for this I'm going to write a nasty blog message about it or post on DSL reports.

DSL reports should do a thing where everyone can sign and they will fire it off to whoever.

I'll change the world one blog and DSL reports post at a time.
MeKuN

join:2004-07-21
Eugene, OR

Rep vs Dem

The American people have no confidence in either party anymore. Look at how close the last two runs for presidency went. Both close as hell. Both parties say what we want to hear and they do what the big money tells them. Some how it has to change. My vote doesnt mount to much these days.

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Re: Rep vs Dem

said by MeKuN See Profile :

The American people have no confidence in either party anymore. Look at how close the last two runs for presidency went. Both close as hell. Both parties say what we want to hear and they do what the big money tells them. Some how it has to change. My vote doesnt mount to much these days.
No ones vote does.

I am a liberal, but in this presidential election, I didn't like any of the candidates. In the end, when all the dems were upset, I asked myself, "What is going to change?" The answer was nothing. If Kerry was elected, the same things probably would have happened. You are right. Big money tells the candidates what to do and they do it. Doesn't matter if you are conservative or liberal. When companies come calling bearing money, candidates and politicians listen.
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tsu9

join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL

Re: Rep vs Dem

The answer was nothing. If Kerry was elected, the same things probably would have happened.
Ironically, this is because the once-polarizing forces separating the fundamentals of the two majority parties have drifted alarmingly close to each other, due to overwhelming desire to "appeal to the majority/masses." The result is that we basically are voting for one party, with a few minor cosmetic differences.

However, this doesn't really make anyone very happy (and is horribly bad for the gov't structure), and I'd suspect we'll have another split (again) in the not so distant future.

dr3yec

join:2002-12-19
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Re: Rep vs Dem

My split will go to the independents for now on. I cant give my vote to either worthless parties. If they where doing there jobs correctly. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. It is time for some kind of change!
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