 b10010011
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|  They would have to leave off all the major networks
There should be a public campain that teaches people how to change the channel or use the power switch to turn off the TV if there is something they are afraid of on. | |
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Nightfall
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| Re: They would have to leave off all the major networks said by b10010011  :What channels would be on the family tier? Shopping channels? Halmark? maybe Discovery Channel? (pretty violent sometime) CNN? (Way to violent and too real) I know the would have to leave off ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX, that is also the local networks. Who wants that? There should be a public campain that teaches people how to change the channel or use the power switch to turn off the TV if there is something they are afraid of on. I think the only things in the family friendly tier are the religious channels. 
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Tzale
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| Re: They would have to leave off all the major networks said by Nightfall :said by b10010011 :What channels would be on the family tier? Shopping channels? Halmark? maybe Discovery Channel? (pretty violent sometime) CNN? (Way to violent and too real) I know the would have to leave off ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX, that is also the local networks. Who wants that? There should be a public campain that teaches people how to change the channel or use the power switch to turn off the TV if there is something they are afraid of on. I think the only things in the family friendly tier are the religious channels. It's wouldn't hurt for some people to get a little more religion into their life nowadays.
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join:2001-01-25
Gainesville, GA
| Re: They would have to leave off all the major networks said by Tzale :said by Nightfall :said by b10010011 :What channels would be on the family tier? Shopping channels? Halmark? maybe Discovery Channel? (pretty violent sometime) CNN? (Way to violent and too real) I know the would have to leave off ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX, that is also the local networks. Who wants that? There should be a public campain that teaches people how to change the channel or use the power switch to turn off the TV if there is something they are afraid of on. I think the only things in the family friendly tier are the religious channels. It's wouldn't hurt for some people to get a little more religion into their life nowadays. -Tzale Really? It would hurt me, so keep it off my screen. Thanks.
Thing is while we have the complete freedom of religion there are many people who attempt to force it onto the general public on every corner and with every situation. It gets old.
disney, nick, ae are clearly family oriented. I wonder about CN because of adult swim and the like... | |
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| But if they want the history channel, they have to pay for all the other stuff? Hmmm.... I wonder if I can put that into play at the gas pump. 20 gallon purchases only. Your tank is full at 10 gallons? Oh well, you just helped support someone else who wanted 19 galleons (or my pocket book).
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I do not have pay TV. I do not watch TV. If I could get what I want at a decent price, then I might consider it.
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| | wev567
join:2006-02-25
Pittsburgh, PA
| Cable TV runs spots all the time, encouraging parents to learn what their kids are watching and fgure out how to use the blocking controls.
The "vocal minority" behind this don't want *you*, a thinking adult, to have violent or sexual programming available to choose. | |
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Tzale
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| Re: They would have to leave off all the major networks said by wev567 :Cable TV runs spots all the time, encouraging parents to learn what their kids are watching and fgure out how to use the blocking controls. The "vocal minority" behind this don't want *you*, a thinking adult, to have violent or sexual programming available to choose. What are you talking about. This is an optional tier. No one is forcing anyone to get this.
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ieolus
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Duluth, GA | Re: They would have to leave off all the major networks His point stands. The people behind this "vocal minority", if they got their way, would have all violent or sexual programming taken off the air for everyone.
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Saco, ME | not even hallmark, they have walker, texas ranger haha | |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | Family Friendly Tiers are a start but that STILL forces you to pay for channels you dont want in that package.
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| said by b10010011 :What channels would be on the family tier? Shopping channels? Halmark? maybe Discovery Channel? (pretty violent sometime) CNN? (Way to violent and too real) I know the would have to leave off ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX, that is also the local networks. Who wants that? The funny thing is that the family tiers *can't* leave off locals even if they wanted to because of FCC must-carry rules and retransmission consent agreements with locals.
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| | bamabrad
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Port Orange, FL | There should be alternatives to just somebody's idea of what I want to watch | |
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ronpin
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| Show Promos are bad enough I'm more concerned about everyday "show promos"/commercials for shows like CSI -- that show dead bodies and other carnage -- in prime-time. I'm not a prude or anything -- I just finally had enough casual desensitizing blood 'n gore. It's easy enough not to watch shows like CSI -- but the damn commercials promoting the shows are unavoidable. *THATS* what I'd like to see controlled.
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| | liquidnw
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Bronx, NY
| Re: Show Promos are bad enough said by ronpin :I'm more concerned about everyday "show promos"/commercials for shows like CSI -- that show dead bodies and other carnage -- in prime-time. I'm not a prude or anything -- I just finally had enough casual desensitizing blood 'n gore. It's easy enough not to watch shows like CSI -- but the damn commercials promoting the shows are unavoidable. *THATS* what I'd like to see controlled. Honestly that's the first argument that I've heard that actually makes sense. No technology right now can filter out these commercials. Those who complain about the shows can simply pick up there tv or cable box manual and learn how to block the entire channel or block specific shows by ratings. But nothing can be done about these commercials. | |
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join:2000-03-02 | Re: Show Promos are bad enough I agree. The technology should be available for him to filter out these commercials. The answer, IMO, is the technology already present in parental controls. | |
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| Re: Show Promos are bad enough God forbid you filter out the only way broadcasters "supposedly" make money. 
I sometimes wonder if some of these commercials are more violent than the shows themselves.  | |
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1 edit | Why? Then he wouldn't anything to bitch about!
Some people live to complain... Nothing will satisfy him, watch! | |
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Wadsworth, IL | Well, if you have a DVR it's pretty easy to bypass them. Just don't watch live TV. | |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
2 edits | Isn't that what ABC family, and CBS Family is supposed to be about? Frankly I disagree with you and other people who talk about the desensitization of the American viewer. Frankly if the "Family Values commision" had their way. Life would be a fricking Prozac commercial with unicorns and rainbows. The reality is that wars, death and murder...and Janet Jackson's breasts are a reality, they exist. To sit there and blame TV for one's actions is a farce. If that was the case then feel free to explain why there is less violent crimes in places like Japan and the UK where TV censorship is more relaxed?
Let the overly sensitive people buy the bundle and live a filtered life in rose-tinted specs, let everyone else choose what they want to watch. | |
| | | keyboard5684
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| Re: Show Promos are bad enough Well, I disagree with you.
The point being that yes, we can control what our children watch using technology. No, I do not want my 9 year old watching commercials for CSI, Bones, or gay and lesbian night. I can block the shows but not the commercials.
I think you are missing the point, the "V-Chip" lets us filter out what we want EXCEPT the commercials. Nobody is trying to control what you watch (in fact I will watch CSI when the kids go to bed or are somewhere else), we are trying to control what our children watch.
If you think that taping there eyes open and forcing them to focus on misery and destruction is the ideal way to raise children then fine, it is your choice, but not really too many others would agree with you.
Reality, being what it is, can be explained to a child later on but tricking them into seeing these images before I want them to is not ideal. Why do I have to answer questions about why somebody looks that way when they are burned to death when all they were watching was a kids show?
No, I personally do not care for the tiers, just give me all the channels for cheap and I will block what I want and choose what I want to watch. | |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
| Re: Show Promos are bad enough Well I dunno about blocking commercials or anything else you just said. But I have yet to see a CSI bloody gorey commercial on ABC Family, Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon or any of the other "wholesome family" oriented networks. If your kids watch M-TV or whatever other older kids watch then they should already know about whatever you are attempting to sheild them from.
And frankly kids are a lot more knowledgeable about stuff than you think...if you doubt it then maybe you should sit at a school bus stop one morning and listen to them. | |
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| said by keyboard5684 : No, I do not want my 9 year old watching commercials for CSI, Bones, or gay and lesbian night. What's wrong with a show with a homosexual theme? Will it scar the kids?
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| Re: Show Promos are bad enough I may let them watch something if I thought it was appropriate even with the homosexual themes. Not trying making any political points here.
The only thing I was trying to point out is that if I did not wan't them to see it I should be able to block out the content using the "Vchip" if I choose. I choose how to raise my kids, not FOX (or NBC, CBS, the Disney channel, whatever). | |
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| Re: Show Promos are bad enough said by N3OGH :said by hopeflicker :said by keyboard5684 : No, I do not want my 9 year old watching commercials for CSI, Bones, or gay and lesbian night. What's wrong with a show with a homosexual theme? Will it scar the kids? Can the righteous indignation, shall we? If he finds objection with his child watching a show with a homosexual theme, that's his right. Just as it's your right to watch it, it's his right not to. If his children are under the age of majority wherever he may be from, it's his right to bar his child from watching such programming. I never said it wasn't his right. I was merely asking a question.
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Philly burbs | Re: Show Promos are bad enough An your question was charged with pretense and indignation.... | |
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Tzale
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| said by hopeflicker :said by keyboard5684 : No, I do not want my 9 year old watching commercials for CSI, Bones, or gay and lesbian night. What's wrong with a show with a homosexual theme? Will it scar the kids? The promotion of gay and lesbians is nothing more than promoting animal like activity. No one was ever born from two men or women having sex, and kids shouldn't be taught that this is "right." I'm not saying I hate these people, but little kids shouldn't be taught to accept the practice as "OK." They should be taught to not bother other people, but recognize and disagree with the practice and lifestyle. Honestly, mild heterosexual sex is FINE in my opinion for families, because it is NECESSARY for a family to exist.
The CATHOLIC CHURCH promotes heterosexual sex between married couples. There is nothing wrong with that, the problem is that people are pushing those disgusting themes on people (violence, death, extreme sex themes for kids and gay and lesbian propaganda).
And no, I am not a religious fanatic/right wing extremist.
-Tzale
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| | | | | | fiberguy
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| Re: Show Promos are bad enough Why is it when a Gay or Lesbian themed show exists, it's "propaganda" and when it's anything else, it's "ok"...?
I'm sorry to chime in on this, but my brother, who didn't choose to be, as you say, an "animal", certainly has every right to exist and not be censored out by an ever shrinking population who feels it's an issue.
I believe that the first amendment is more important than what any church believes in this country.
You talk about the promotion of gay and lesbian as always having to do with Sex. Can you please tell me, on the most popular gay themed show that has one of the highest ratings on the air today (Will & Grace) where all this sex and promotion is? Then there is Queer Eye for the Straight guy - popular and without sex... and many others.. can you please tell me where all this gay sex and animal like activity is?
I can show you hundreds of "normal" shows where reckless "sexual behaviour" exists.
"The promotion of gay and lesbians is nothing more than promoting animal like activity" AND "And no, I am not a religious fanatic/right wing extremist."
Wow... want to rethink that? 
The most wonderful thing about this country is the fact that you don't have to do what the church says. And another thing... Kids are alot smarter than we dumb adults give them credit for. It's usually us adults, er, irresponsible adults, that take a perfectly good child and fill their head full of misconceptions. If television is an issue, maybe it should be turned off in the home all together and if "the family" is so important, maybe people should spend less time relying on the TV to raise their families.
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Let me add this to the post - there are alot of things, I am not. But, I don't want to remove them from my home. I watch gay programming, (logo) I even watch TV one and TBN. I watch the 700 club and Jack Van Impe... do I relate to all of that? nope... BUT, I feel it's important to know and understand ALL cultures that CO-EXIST around me to be a btter person in this Great Melting Pot of a nation where ALL people are supposed to be equal... unlike some, i do not segregate and feel superior over someone because they are gay, black, mexican, nothing.. my right to exist isn't going to shadow anyone else's right to exist. | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| Hate to rain on your parade Ms. Right, you're kids hear all about it everyday at school, watch other kids's iPods to see it, and probably know more fine cuss words than you would ever think of doing!
Gimme a break! I guess you don't take them to see Harry Potter because of a Brokeback Mountain poster in the lobby. You really shouldn't take them to a bookstore either since Playboy is on the top shelf.
By the way, the "Family Council" was one that got sued by the WWE for libel and slander. The Family Council lost.
Oh, your kids really shouldn't watch American Idol either considering the clothes some of them wear.
I guess you should just hide them in the basement and wait patiently for the END IS NEAR! REPENT YA SINNERS! | |
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Techman21
join:2005-04-14
Richmond, VA
| Actually.. I like CSI. The difference about CSI is that they don't show those images for the "wow" factor. Its inherently part of the show. Although I do miss shows like The Pretender, Due South, etc. Those were all great shows, yet they restrained how much garbage they aired. Recently I've seen one that reminds me of The Pretender. Its called John Doe on the Sci-Fi network. StarGate is also pretty entertaining, its maintained its success even after it switched from Showtime to Fox, then to Sci-Fi.
Part of the issue is all this crappy "reality" tv. Once the sheep realize that its not really "reality" and its all staged crap, then hopefully people will learn to move on and get back into 'regular' programming. It seems sitcoms have gone into hiding ever since the likes of Friends and Seinfeld have gone off the air. Even those shows were better than this reality TV stuff. Personally I like the two last shows I mentioned, but many people of this group for family viewing don't support those shows, so....we end up with crap like "Fear Factor", "Temptation Island", and the list goes on.
Just my $0.02 | |
| haplo2112
join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA
| Who Cares Bring on the A la carte Let the FCC mandate what the cable company can charge, A scheme like the cable company currently has packages x, y, and Z. So that they don't charge outragous per channel prices.
Package x costs 69.99 for 100 various channels, so 69.99/100
= $.70 a channel (actually .6999 but I rounded) is the most you can can charge for up 100 channels.
Similar math for the other packages, but economys of scale get involved so the more you buy the lower the per channel cost. | |
| | | | RayW
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| Re: No support for Family Tiers; and no support for a la carte said by GOLFnSUN :TAnd when independent polls are done for "a la carte" and the prices are available to make a decision, there will be no support there either. Except for the small percentage of viewers that rarely watch TV. Yes, when the 'proof' and pricing comes from the ones who want to keep the status quo, you are right. I know that when it is 'proven' to cost the same or more to get the 20 or so channels I want instead of the 80 provided in a 'package', I might as well pay for the package.
Always liked how on one hand they said "Sports channels raised their rates, we have to jack yours" and on the other "If we drop things like sports channels we will have to raise your rates". Makes a lot of sense - if you keep it we have charge you more, if you drop it we have to charge you more.
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| | Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Seriously. I watch 6 channels tops, and my cable+internet bill is $133's. I have no pay channels. I have the minimum digital tier that allows me to get TLC. If al a carte costs > $70-$80's for 6 channels, I would have to call bull-sh!t. | |
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Martin has been pressuring the cable industry to offer the tiers at the behest of "family groups" that are outraged with the level of violence and sexuality on television.
All I have to say to the "family groups" is this: "IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT IS ON TV, STOP WATCHING IT AND GET SOME PARENTAL CONTROLS!"
I'm sick and tired of these family groups shoving their crap down my throat. I like the violence on tv, I'm not in much favor for the sexuality, but I DON'T WATCH IT. These groups need to back off and let their be the programing on TV that I want to watch. Great example, Family Guy/South Park/Simpsons/Man Show. These are all great shows and if you don't want your children watching them, then either be a parent and make sure you know what they are watching OR get some parental controls on those TVs so they can't watch them.
I'm all for only letting children watch what is appropriate for their age, but when I want to watch something like above shows, I want to watch them and not pay MORE a month for it. I'm already paying $45/month for expanded cable, I don't need to pay more, I want to pay less. | |
| lew_jean
join:2005-05-13
Marietta, GA | WHY If people used the V-Chip or locked-out the channels they don't want the little kids to watch then why do we need a family tier?
I want Al-Cart, I spend a extra 35.00 for 2 channels I enjoy on Comca$t Digital Basic tier | |
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2lazy2register
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| is "parental controls" not enough??? how about making the parental controls software better instead of these stupid "family tiers"
I would like to see "custom tiers"
where the individual can pick certain networks and have only those networks. (i think this would enhance competition)
Id be willing to pay the same price($55/month) for a whole lot less channels as long as the channels are the ones I would actually watch.
(FX TNT ESPN FSN USA SPIKE TOON SciFi, and a couple others)
the local channels I can just get free over-the-air
I dont even want any of the news channels (CNN, FOX, etc) stupid propaganda machine (if I want news i'll go online to non-corporate sites)
In fact I really wish I could go without networks and just order the shows I like. | |
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DaveNJ
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New Jersey
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| couldnt we have the drop channel option ? Like for $10, you can remove the useless channels.
remove the MTV get $5 off
remove lifetime get $5, and SPike2
remove all viacom for $15 off
If you cant ala carte, then remove some instead ?
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| RayW
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| Define family friendly Unlike what a lot of media presentations like to portray us in the US of A as, we are not a homogeneous melting pot.
We have many religious types ranging from good to evil, mono to polytheist, tree huggers, tree cutters. Those who hate white, hate black, hate green with purple polka dots. No hat is sinful, hat is sinful. Heck, even the way you wave 'come here' can be innocuous or down right degrading and cause for a feud depending on where you are.
How can you make a family tier with all that and more? Whose family do you choose as a baseline? Family tier is nothing more than a smokescreen to prove that the industry knows what is best for us and a possible ploy to get the FCC to rubber stamp a merger.
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| | fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Define family friendly Best post in this thread yet! | |
| Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| I would agree... I don't want family tiers, I want 100% pure a la carte. Within that a la carte they can have bundles (10 channels for $x, 20 channels for $x, or 50 channels for $x). As long as I, the consumer, get to pick every channel I get delivered to my television I don't care how they do it. The current forced variety bundling only benefits the "crap" channels, the broadcasters, and the carriers (cable or sat).
Whether it is because I am too lazy to monitor my kids because I am a bad parent or because I don't want to subsidize subpar programming doesn't matter. I don't care if I can get 80 channels for the same price as 20. I want to pick and choose with my wallet to support the channels that I think deliver what I want.
Why is anyone against providing the customer with more choice anyway? If you want all channels, then get all channels. But don't try to restrict my choices. | |
| pstauff
join:2005-04-27
Gaithersburg, MD | I want it I called Comcast 3 months ago and they said it's not available yet. They said they would contact me when it's available. I am still waiting. | |
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Chuckles
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| MN Family Tier. I think parents should start spanking their kids again. Why keep 'em from seeing what the world's like and block tv programs? Just make sure you sit down and talk to them about the issues on TV instead replacing your parenting duties w/electronics.
2 TPT - 2
3 KPXM - i Independent Television
4 WCCO - CBS
5 KSTP - ABC
6 Metro 6 Regional Access
7 WGN
8 KMWB - WB
9 KMSP - FOX
10 WFTC - UPN
11 KARE - NBC
12 KSTC - IND
13 Local Programming
14 Community Programming
15 Public Access
16 Religious Access
17 TPT - 17
18 Government Access
19 Government Access
20 Educational Access
21 PAL (Public Announcement Line)
22 C-SPAN2
23 The Weather Channel
24 TV Guide
25 C-SPAN
26 QVC
33 CNN Headline News
44 Disney
45 Nickelodeon
55 Food Network
63 Home & Garden TV
95 EWTN
96 Home Shopping Network
99 Univision
109 National Geographic
110 Discovery Science
121 DIY
128 PBS Sprout
130 Discovery Kids
133 Nick GAS
135 Toon Disney
241 TPT Create
242 TPTKids
243 TPT Minnesota
249 KARE - Weather
290 Trinity Broadcasting
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ftthz
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join:2005-10-17 | Re: MN Family Tier. family tier... why not just bundle and let the people block the channel they dont want... | |
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comcrash2006
@comcast.net | Don't get it. Comcast's family tier just sucks! They're asking for $28 + $8 (Basic needed) = $36!!! for a few channels, some of which i can get with an antenna. | |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| Family Tiers.... NO thanks....
Lack of parenting is NOT the governments problem. Don't like the show on the channel, change the channel!
Don't know what your little asphalt alligators are watching, thats YOUR problem not the governments.
The more I see from this idiot the more its time for the FCC to get out of regulating any thing other than two way radio licenses and leave the rest to the private sector.
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Chuckles
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Saint Paul, MN | Re: Family Tiers.... NO thanks.... Doesn't "family tier" imply it's for people w/kids? | |
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Do You Want Family Friendly Tiers?
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