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Tell 'em Fred.
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stet
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Warren, MI | Re: PFFFT This value is not generated by the RIAA, it's in US copyright law. $150,000 is the maximum damages that can be awarded for each copyright violation. | |
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| Re: PFFFT said by xmrocks  :said by JazzJRabbit :...So yes, according to them if it wasn't for the pirates they could buy France right now. No one wants to buy France  But back on topic - I agree that the amount of money asked for in damages is absurd. But in the end, artists and others need to make money and they certainly aren't making the maximum potential with pirates. Sure it's debated as to how much they should be making off of a sale, but I'm not even going to touch that! I know the artists need to make money, but should you really use namecalling? I don't know if I would classify the RIAA and the labels as "pirates"  | |
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| Re: PFFFT said by wolfhouse :they could lamost buy the US to since american GDP is a tad above $12 trillion. sounds about like how much debt the usa has too.
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| That amount was meant for violations like someone taking your work and making a mint off of it. For instance if I have a copyrighted song that someone else recorded and then sold a million copies of without paying me royalties. It was never meant for individual copying. | |
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| Re: PFFFT The amount is set to high because it's supposed to act as a deterrent. The penalty for getting caught is set so much greater then what it would cost to just go and buy the original (music, movie, book, painting, software, etc) so that people should think "I could save $10 and copy it, but if I get caught then I'm really in trouble so maybe I'll just buy it instead of taking the chance." But it hasn't really been working.
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| Re: PFFFT You're right about it being a deterrent, however it was never intended to be a deterrent for individual people, rather, it was meant to be a deterrent for businesses. The current copyright system wasn't designed to protect artists from casual copying, but from theft by a competitor or big business. It was never intended to penalize average people for these relatively minor infractions.
Besides, i would say that to your average citizen, there is almost no difference between $150,000 and $150,000,000; either way they can't pay it, so what the actual dollar amount is doesn't really matter once you reach such astronomical amounts. | |
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| Re: PFFFT said by fundamentalz :You're right about it being a deterrent, however it was never intended to be a deterrent for individual people, rather, it was meant to be a deterrent for businesses. The current copyright system wasn't designed to protect artists from casual copying, but from theft by a competitor or big business. It was never intended to penalize average people for these relatively minor infractions. Besides, i would say that to your average citizen, there is almost no difference between $150,000 and $150,000,000; either way they can't pay it, so what the actual dollar amount is doesn't really matter once you reach such astronomical amounts. Those are some really good points man... Good Job! | |
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| said by fundamentalz :You're right about it being a deterrent, however it was never intended to be a deterrent for individual people, rather, it was meant to be a deterrent for businesses. The current copyright system wasn't designed to protect artists from casual copying, but from theft by a competitor or big business. It was never intended to penalize average people for these relatively minor infractions. Besides, i would say that to your average citizen, there is almost no difference between $150,000 and $150,000,000; either way they can't pay it, so what the actual dollar amount is doesn't really matter once you reach such astronomical amounts. I salute you, now only if the RIAA would get this throught their thick skulls  | |
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| trouble is they would never get the money because they could never get 150k+ from one person. people would start refusing to pay and run to Canada. and the US Justice dept wouldnt extridite over failure to pay a copyright suit.
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| I think you are missing the point of the satirical rants. Everyone is pointing out the ridiculousness of RIAA and their lawsuits. Someone needs to put their foot down in the house and senate (onto the throats of RIAA) and put an end to their silly suits.
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Looks to me like the traditional RIAA, MPAA money grab.
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| Lets see... Bill Gates, Cary Sherman and Jacques Chirac walk into a bar and order a whole lot of booze (Chirac has wine). When it comes time to pay the tab the three gentlemen say,
Bill Gates: If you pay the bar tab for me I will promise you security and innovation that will make your home media experience the best.
Cary Sherman: Watch it, Bill. "Innovation" sounds a lot like communism to me. If you pay the tab I'll make sure nobody bothers you with innovation and progress ever again.
Jacques Chirac: I'm too snooty to pay. No wait... don't gang up on me... I SURRENDER!!!
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join:2001-02-10
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| Re: sources Considering the quality of what the record companies call "music", I'd venture to say a penny or two per song. Honestly, most new stuff out there is remixed, resampled, regurgitated crap. No value.
Of course, to balance it out, there is some new good stuff. I know there will be those who ask me to define good vs. crap. I'm not gonna. So flame away and realize you're wasting your time.
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| Re: sources said by JazzJRabbit :A little harsh. There is some good stuff out there. However, at most it should be 99 cents going by itunes pricing. Or 89 cents if you go with walmart downloads rofl "peoples commissary". LOL
if i buy a song i want it as it was recorded, not that walmart censored crap.
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Or like another poster said, 1-2 cents because what they call "music" today is embarrassing.
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clubs: | Re: sources I know, I'm against the illegal music "sharing" that is going on. I'm just giving the figures.
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insomniac84
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| Yea but in the end 99%, if not 100%, of people are downloading it for free just because they can. Odds are most of those songs goes unplayed, and if told pay for them or you can't have them, no one would pay for them. In the end the damages caused by downloading is $0. | |
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1 edit | 99 cents is still WAY to much for a song. 1-11cents a song is fine.
I like how allofmp3.com prices music, its more reasonable. I downloaded like 8 songs i heard for about 70cents.
Cheaper music makes for better music, is it any wonder the best music ever made was when artists struggled as muscians? When you give someone 2 million dollars they lose what they had because no heart anymore. | |
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How about $16.99 for 13-18 songs? | |
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| Re: sources said by tsu9 :How about $16.99 for 13-18 songs? The RIAA doesn't sue for such a small amount. They always go for the big bucks, aka $150k per, or when they settle, about $3k per. | |
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1 edit | Re: sources Which are both quite unreasonable expectations, given that the songs are nowhere near worth that much.
And, by the by, I was being facetious. I know very well that the RIAA is simply going to bankrupt as many people as they can in an effort to get those same people to turn around and buy their overpriced one-hit wonders.
It'll be interesting once they finally start going after people who can afford to fight back. | |
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| said by tsu9 :what is a more resoneable cost per song that the riaa sues for? Please site a source and or you logic also.How about $16.99 for 13-18 songs? How about $16.99 for ONE song? thats about all there is on a CD. one good song and 10-12 filler songs which are crap.
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| said by jgkolt :what is a more resoneable cost per song that the riaa sues for? Please site a source and or you logic also. They settle for like 3 grand. It's still not reasonable, but it would seem the RIAA doesn't even think 150,000 is reasonable if they are settling for a few grand. | |
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| Uhh... MP3s? Where could a person download the FULL bitrate CD quality songs?
Some crappy MP3/AAC/WTF copy is NOT worth $0.99.
Show me where I can *LEGALLY* download an actual CD for the ~$16.99 or less.
One without proprietary DRM BS.
One that I can burn as many times as I need to keep the original pristine.
One that will play in whatever player I choose - anytime I wish.
RIAA can KMA!
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| $11,440,939,650,000.00 So.. when are these idiots over at the RIAA / MPAA going to give up on their worthless, 1950's era business model and move on to the present day needs of it's customers and the future?
I sure hope one of those pending RICO Act lawsuits shuts these fools down, and soon!
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Brick, NJ | Re: $11,440,939,650,000.00 First of all music today sucks, most of the stuff people download I have seen is episodes on TV. WHICH you can record ANYway on your DVD Burner or VCR. Where is the line there?
Oh and TIVO and on demand? and DVR hmmm.. | |
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| World GWP Out of curiosity, I decided to look up the World's GDP. I found out via the CIA World Fact Book that the Gross World Product (GWP) for 2005 was estimated at $59.59 trillion.
This means that the "RIAA Damages" for one month of piracy is 19% of the GWP. If each month is assumed to be relatively equal in music download activity, then a year's worth of piracy would total $137,291,275,800,000 or 230% of the GWP.
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92714 | Yet another RIAA & Piracy random news post .....in other news, the earth is flat, or was it round? | |
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join:2004-03-10
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| sounds like the u.s. debt cost the debt the u.s. is in is about 8.6 trillion according to the counter in new york, hmmmm 
not to sure on the exact figure but its somewhere round there, are we downloading to much and then the riaa just calulates our total on that counter? | |
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Emiya
join:2006-03-30
Southington, OH | Realisticly Even if you went by a flat $1 per infringement it would be $76,272,931 a month, which isn't going to bankrupt the record labels but it's still not a figure you can scoff at. | |
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All Pirates shall pay for their crimes. | |
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join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH | Re: The Pirates shall pay for their crimes said by HangTheBastards :
FWIW, France never produced anything of value.
All Pirates shall pay for their crimes.
Isn't anybody going to say "Hi, Taylor!"? | |
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Surfinusa
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|  This is not as bad as the US National Debt !
I think the National Debt should be on the spotlight for awhile and think of ways of stop the spending.
Piracy is for theft but spending and borrowing up the zing zang is not the same as stealing from peoples pockets?
Consider this. | |
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| Re: This is not as bad as the US National Debt ! So about 2 trillion less than piracy fines?
Fines wont pay off the national debt.
Its still not good.
Next time you look in your wallet 1 dollar wont even buy you a can of soda soon inflation (due to debt) will make you pay 5 bucks for a can of Coke or Pepsi which ever you prefer if any. | |
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| Wrong comparison... The total? $11,440,939,650,000. Far more than the net worth of Bill Gates, or France's GDP. They got their numbers mixed up...11,440,939,650,000 $ is more or less the same as United-States' total GDP and about 5 times France's GDP.
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| heh Every comment about the GDP is moot. Why? IF the RIAA hasn't made X amount of money in its entire existance, any number above that to validate that they lost that much, is meaningless. The RIAA sucks just that bad. I mean, it's like saying: My 1 program is worth 100,000 dollars, and since 100,000 people downloaded it, my 1 man company is worth 100 billion dollars. I'm worth more than bill gates! | |
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These thief's (RIAA) needs to be thrown in jail for making such impossible claims. | |
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