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Woot?
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clubs: | The house gets something right Yay to net neautraility!
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Inman, SC | Re: The house gets something right It's about damn time the government started listening to us!
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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| Before you get too excited you might want to watch your back for the side effects and unintended consequences that accompany pretty much all preemptive legislation.
I hope I'm wrong, but legislation that accurately targets an issue and is written well enough to not be able to be bent to someone's will is hard to come by...especially when it's written to address an issue that currently only exists in the minds and pr statements of a group of executives.
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| I wonder how this is going to effect EULA's.
25 (3)(A) to block, to impair, to discriminate
26 against, or to interfere with the ability of any person
1 to use a broadband network service to access, to use,
2 to send, to receive, or to offer lawful content, appli
3 cations or services over the Internet;
I can see this being stretched to download caps and limits, and ftp servers, etc.
10 5) to fail to clearly and conspicuously disclose
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No more hiding behind the term 'Unlimited'
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Cheese
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clubs: | Bout time.....Now..... Let the haters start bashing! | |
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Canada | w00t Im not an American but its good to see this. | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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Philly burbs | Re: w00t Yep, and everyone knows Delaware is part of New Jersey.
I should know, I was the last one out this evening, and had to turn off the lights....  | |
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| Re: w00t said by N3OGH :Yep, and everyone knows Delaware is part of New Jersey. I should know, I was the last one out this evening, and had to turn off the lights.... Connecticut and Mass are still fighting over Rhode Island, but the Pequots decided to buy RI ahead of these two states and make it part of the next Foxwoods expansion......
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| Re: I don't have time... said by ropeguru :to read all the legalese right now, but is it across the board or just pointed at the incumbents as the posted areticle states?? Should be across the board.. It applies to ANY company in the business of providing broadband network services. | |
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| Re: I don't have time... said by Eek2121 :said by ropeguru :to read all the legalese right now, but is it across the board or just pointed at the incumbents as the posted areticle states?? Should be across the board.. It applies to ANY company in the business of providing broadband network services. Thank you...
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GigahertZ420
join:2001-10-02
Fairbanks, AK | HA! How you like that one AT&T???
Mike McCurry can also eat a peice of dogshit for lunch. | |
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| Re: HA! said by GigahertZ420 :How you like that one AT&T??? Mike McCurry can also eat a peice of dogshit for lunch. Hey now, this is a family site  | |
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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Miami, FL | Re: HA! It sucks having you as a brother. | |
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Miami, FL | Re: HA! Staying away from Naples. You know where I am going with this. | |
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| Re: HA! said by Michieru :Staying away from Naples. You know where I am going with this. | |
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| Hey now, this is a family site
...yeah, because my 5 year old loves to top off a session of disney.com with a few articles on dslreports... | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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| Re: HA! said by Aaron de Bruyn :
Hey now, this is a family site
...yeah, because my 5 year old loves to top off a session of disney.com with a few articles on dslreports...
Really? Smart kid..... | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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Philly burbs | Re: HA! And I am, thank you.
*Beaming with pride* | |
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| I'll bet Ed is just foaming at the mouth about this.
As soon as he finishes, I'd bet he's going to order his lobbyists out in full force to get this killed as quickly as possible.
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA
| Re: Looks good, but... said by Fisamo :•No charging more for 'enhanced' delivery of content from an 'affiliated' provider This should really be
•No charging more for 'enhanced' delivery of content from an 'UNaffiliated' provider
If it's how you wrote it, then they can charge less for affiliates and more for anyone else... | |
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| Re: Looks good, but... Bush doesn't veto anything, never has and never will. He just attaches a presidental signing memo stating that he doesn't agree with constitutionality of the law by his interpretation of it, and therefore will instruct the executive branch not to enforce it. Apparently he's done this 750 times already.. that's right.. 750. | |
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| Re: Looks good, but... I read that Bush recently broke the last record of days gone without a veto set by Thomas Jefferson (who also did not do a veto at all). Since 1789 there have been seven (not counting the current Bush) presidents that have not exercised any type of veto (although some people point out that times were different for those presidents). He has threatened a couple of times and apparently got the bills in question changed, so he does USE the power of veto, just has not exercised it yet.
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North Andover, MA | Re: Looks good, but... I would rather he veto the bills, as it gives the legistlature that chance to disagree with his interpretation. Instead he just says "Go ahead and sign whatever you want into law.. I'll just ignore it anyway." | |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| Hooray!! The last thing America needs is to start moving in the right direction.
Step 1: Legislate the market to the breaking point
Step 2: Answer the calls to solve the problem you created by taking over the show.
Step 3: Gov't run monopolies. Yay! | |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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| Little Nasty Stips Surreptitiously Inserted On the Way... Don't start celebrating just yet, kids. It has to pass through the Senate and I am very sure they'll add some vague clause at 0300 in the basement of the Senate bldg and bury it under hundreds of pages of legalese so as not to be too obvious about it. And the gullible, overpaid f*cks elected leaders who claim to be in favor of Net Neutrality most likely won't bother to read it before agreeing. (just like they couldn't be bothered to read the Patriot Act either).
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TK Junk Mail
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| Dueling bills in House: who will win on floor vote?? »www.boston.com/news/nation/washi···measure/
The measure, approved by a vote of 20-13, would amend U.S. antitrust law. It would also counter a rival bill from another House committee that wants to encourage network providers to preserve consumers' ability to freely surf the Internet instead of adopting stricter rules.
The Judiciary panel has been tangling with the House Energy and Commerce Committee over jurisdiction on the Internet issue, dubbed "Net neutrality."
The Commerce Committee has already sent to the House floor a measure that includes provisions that would codify principles the Federal Communications Commission adopted last year that encourages Internet service providers to ensure consumers can go where they want to on the open Internet.
It was unclear how the House leadership would resolve the differences between the committees. »www.multichannel.com/article/CA6···ing+News
A bill (H.R. 5252) approved by the House Energy and Commerce Committee would authorize the Federal Communications Commission to police broadband providers through a complaint-driven process that provides for the agency to adopt regulations. Here is the PDF of the competing House bill:
»frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin···.txt.pdf
Still a long way to go as an earlier post said.
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RouterCab
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TK Junk Mail
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| Re: Names said by RouterCab :Does anyone know where to go look for the 13 names who voted against this legislation? Would love to find out. Committee votes are not always recorded by voter, unlike House floor votes. But you could go to the House Judiciary web page to see if they put it there:
»judiciary.house.gov/
One news item I saw said all Democrats(14) on the committee voted for it and 6 Republicans voted for it too.
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Lincoln99
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Pleasant Grove, UT
| Proud to be an American I know this bill is a long way from becoming law, but this strong vote in favor of Net Neutrality actually warms my cynicial soul.
This is a great day to be an American.
Furthermore, my Congressman, Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah), was one of the 20 voting in favor of it. | |
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join:2001-01-28
Riverdale, GA
| Bill passes House Committee - how about a cigar to celebrate I thought the bill still has to make it to the floor - I mean, C'mon,...Ever see a rabbit try to make it across an open field with hawks flying overhead? Are all streams safe to cross by foot in the Amazon?
LET'S CELEBRATE,
Congressman (to Joe Public): "Wanna cigar ?"
Joe Public: "Gee, thanks..."
Congressman: Wanna Light.. ?
Joe Public: "Gee, thanks...POP!!! Hey, WHAT THE F##K!
As Joe Public begins to smoke the cigar, little does he realize that the trick cigar was provided to the Congressman by incumbent ILEC and cable providers opposed to net-neutrality.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT ? SOME CONGRESSMEN DON'T EVEN SMOKE!
Because they know "it is bad for their health". But they still argue that, "Well - excess kills, but the key is to take it in moderation."
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Portland, OR | This is good, right? So.. this is good, right? It prevents backbone providers from creating a tiered internet; Giving Yahoo faster backbone access than Google, for example?
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tiger72
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| MoveOn.org and the Christian Coalition ... are even in the fray to stop this:
Dear MoveOn member,
We never thought we'd see the day, but it's come: we're working together with the Christian Coalition. You read that right—the Christian Coalition has joined everyone from Google to MoveOn to the Gun Owners of America in the fight for Internet freedom. The momentum is on our side.
Internet companies like AT&T have been trying to win this fight by telling Republicans in Congress this is just a left-wing issue. But MoveOn and the Christian Coalition have designed a full-page New York Times ad to expose the truth: people across the spectrum are united behind Internet freedom! If we get that message out, we win.
The ad will cost $70,000 to run. If 2,000 people give $35 each, we'll be there. Plus, every dollar you give will be matched by a generous bequest.
This ad will make a big splash in Congress, with the public, and in the news. We'll share the cost of the ad with our partners, and any funds raised above our share will help support the organizing costs of MoveOn's Internet freedom campaign.
Everyone knows we deeply disagree with the Christian Coalition on many issues. It's safe to say the same is true for them. But we can agree on preserving the Internet as a venue for democratic participation, economic innovation, and free speech. The only serious opposition to Internet freedom comes from AT&T and other Internet operators who are spending millions lobbying Congress for more control over what we see and do online.
To win this fight, we need to show Congress the huge public backlash they will face if they sell out the Internet. The pairing of MoveOn and the Christian Coalition is unheard of, and it's sure to get Congress' attention.
Internet users of all political stripes are fighting back together. The SavetheInternet.com Coalition—led by Free Press—includes the Christian Coalition, MoveOn, Gun Owners of America, the ACLU, Craig from Craigslist, Free Press, small businesses, consumer advocates, Internet advocates, musicians such as Moby, R.E.M., Q-Tip, The Roots, Trent Reznor of NIN, the Indigo Girls, and the Dixie Chicks, and over 700 other organizations from around the country.
Also supporting Net Neutrality are high-tech pioneers like Google, Amazon, and eBay, as well as "fathers of the Internet" Vint Cerf and Tim Berners-Lee (the inventor of the www). We're part of something huge.
Thank you for all you do.
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| Re: MoveOn.org and the Christian Coalition Surely you mean "in the fray to see this comes to pass".
Part of the problem with Net Neutrality is the lack of clear explanation to Joe Sixpack. The Anti brigade (i.e. ATT et al) have tried to hijack the issue by claiming they are the ones "preventing the internet being regulated" | |
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Waltham, MA | Re: MoveOn.org and the Christian Coalition moveon, not moving on !!
Actually the confusion is because MoveOn.org are opposing a different law that some in congress are trying to push that ALLOWS net providers to discriminate. This is of course the opposite to this bill. | |
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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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Philly burbs | Lots of groups on the savetheinternet website that would otherwise call the other dirty filthy liars.
Lots of PAC fund money there too. With the way money talks in politics, it may be enough to make Congress take notice.
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Smyrna, DE | Ok im lost here Does this mean that ISPs can charge you extra for faster service or does it meant that all compainies have to play fair. | |
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| Re: Ok im lost here it means that your ISP cant legally double dip. by double dipping i mean they cant charge you for the service and then bill google for the bandwidth that you use going to to google and have paid for with your sub.
what the ISPs want to do is be able to not only bill their users but bill the content providers their users go to.
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| I'm not so sure that is the current position the network providers are placing themselves in. Its just as easy to place their subscribers in a low-tier QoS environment by controlling via ACL (IP). If they want better performance to certain destinations or across certain ports then they can and will be assessed a monthly premium charge.
This eliminates the Googles. | |
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| Traffic Prioritization That's all net neutrality is about. Giving preference to one group, whose either paid a fee to you; or is an affiliate of yours.
Basically pay to play....
Make non compliant services slower so as to punish them. Just smells of monopoly power. | |
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| Re: Traffic Prioritization said by Maggs :That's all net neutrality is about. Giving preference to one group, whose either paid a fee to you; or is an affiliate of yours. Basically pay to play.... Make non compliant services slower so as to punish them. Just smells of monopoly power. No - thats the OPPOSITE of what Net Neutrality is about. Confusion seems to abound.
This is why this one could go either way, depending on how well the big lobby guys confuse the public | |
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| Mediacom's CEO.... Had some things to say about the Net-Neutrality:
»www.freepress.net/news/15384
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He also criticized Google, which is lobbying for net neutrality rules. Noting that the company has a greater stock market valuation than the entire cable industry. “They need special favors in Washington, so make sure they can use our pipe and they make their money and we can’t make any?”
As a Mediacom customer, I pay Mediacom for their "pipe" to access such sites as Google and the like. So, Mediacom wants to receive money from both sides? | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
| Re: Mediacom's CEO.... Here's my favorite:
Citing networks that sell episodes of hit TV shows online, Rocco said: “They’re making money through our pipe,” but then “turn around and `say don’t let Rocco charge anybody for this usage.’”
You charge US for this usage you Tool. And the ISP for "networks" charges them as well. That's how it works. This would be like charging someone who is NOT your customer to call your customers. | |
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Harrisburg, PA | Cell Phones Does this mean that cell phone providers must stop disabling the capability of some cell phones to tether your laptop to cellular broadband? | |
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Stratford, CT | Re: Cell Phones I dont think this has anything to do with caps being put on the consumer. If so, cablevision would be in a ton of trouble | |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| . Does it even matter ? The ISP's will just charge more to the consumer for their broadband services. Theyre going to make a profit one way or another. If a trillion dollars of upgrades will be needed to allow Amazon, google or whoever to stream zillions of gigs for music & movies, someone is going to pay !
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| Re: . Someone has to pay, sure, that's easy. If I need a fiber connection to get streaming DVD quality video I will have to pay for it, and I'm pretty sure that'll be a more expensive than what I pay for internet access.... at least until FTTH is standard. CD players once cost big bucks too.
OTOH
Companies like microsoft could benefit from a tiered service, perhaps a 2-pipe system (internet & internet2) - then they change their office products to subscription based services. Piracy would be a thing of the past, as would privacy - think of the bonanza of info for the Total(itarian) Information Awareness program as everyone's private and proprietary documents get sniffed in real time, as they're being created and edited! It'll be a great time to be an information broker.
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