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This is why we need mass encryption on by default with everybodys stupid little linksys box. If EVERYBODY should started encrypting their traffic there would be too much work involved to spy. Yet another reason we ABSOLUTELY NEED WIDE SPREAD IPSEC USE. NOW. | |
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kudos:1 | So sure....... They can pass around child porn to get their point across, why not arrest them for child porn possession? | |
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1 edit | Re: So sure....... said by Cheese:They can pass around child porn to get their point across, why not arrest them for child porn possession? You can ask yourself this to Who is watching them?In my book the biggest crooks/Criminals are running our Government into the ground may i add as well.....
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kudos:1 | Re: So sure....... said by Jigsaw:said by Cheese:They can pass around child porn to get their point across, why not arrest them for child porn possession? You can ask yourself this to Who is watching them?In my book the biggest crooks/Criminals are running our Government into the ground may i add as well..... Apparently no one is if they are doing this. | |
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kudos:1 | Notice - it said PIXELATED. That means all the parts the perverts get their jollies on have been obscured. You would be surprised at how much of that stuff goes across the computers of the porn squads, and how many rich and famous people are thought to be involved.
A friend of mine worked a missing child case a while back, never did find the kid or the kidnapper(s) but they think (note: no hard proof, he could have been killed and ground up for dog food) they traced him to one of several countries outside of the US as part of a sex slave operation. It is a bigger problem than most people are aware of. Slavery is still alive and well in the world, despite its brief official existence and demise in the US of A.
Do not know if making a law that creates zetta-words (2^70) or more of storage requirements will do any good for this issue. Those people will just stop using a home/office link and do wi-fi, libraries, and cafes.
I also note that the article talked about TELECOMS, what about the smaller independents, where they consulted on how this would work?
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kudos:1 | Re: So sure....... said by Maggs:No remember it's pixelated child porn... that's different. it's harder to see the actual porn. So the pixels cover them. You can't charge pixels with child porn possession yet. Executive Order # 19002 in the works  "Possesion or storage of pixelated images is a felony." I can see it now.  | |
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kudos:4 | said by Maggs:"Possesion or storage of pixelated images is a felony." I can see it now. So does that mean i'm a felon when i turn on cox digital cable tv?
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| | Anonymous I'm sure once this starts the offshore anonymous web site proxy services will enjoy an excellent stream of revenue!
Let's send more dollars overseas! Excellent idea!
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Alexandria, VA | said by JazzJRabbit:Uhmmm... and how do you get to offshore web proxy? Through your ISP of course. At most it will make it harder for ISP/DOJ to see your online activities, but all the information will be there to decode... And, unless you have computing resources like the NSA, you're not going to be decoding terribly quickly. The local sheriff's office or even the state police barracks ain't going to have that. In general, you just aren't going to have the level of involvement necessary to just decode the data.
Oh, well... On the bright side: I work in the storage market, so, it will help keep me busy.
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kudos:1 | Re: Anonymous You will be supeonaed for the decryption keys. If you dont give those up, you'll still goto jail. Govt wins either way. guilty until proven innocent. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Anonymous said by patcat88:You will be supeonaed for the decryption keys. If you dont give those up, you'll still goto jail. Govt wins either way. guilty until proven innocent. Which is still an improvement over not encrypting. As it stands, under a data retention policy and other policies, various law enforcement agencies can demand turnover of all data for sifting. If your data is encrypted and they want to look at it, they have two choices: absorb the computational cost of cracking it or get a warrant to force the turnover of your key. Both scenarios tend to discourage casual and/or surreptitious viewing of your data. I'd call that a win.
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Why should we worry about encryption, when DOJ should NOT spy your traffic. DOJ may just use crawlers, search engines to really solve the child porn problem. I believe it's just a cover up ... | |
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I do not believe he is worried about the border. He probably snuck in with the rest...anybody check his green card ? | |
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kudos:1 | obseard So are we going to create another branch and hire crack heads off the street to sift though millions of peice of data?
Seriously this is so stupid and citing child porn for the reason is uncalled for. Don't get me wrong child porn is sick and the way it gets on the internet is wrong but keep our data doesn't stop it getting there you know human trafficing and what not can go on by not hopping on a computer and typing an e-mail!
Why does the goverment have to snoop so damn much into their own people's life? if they blame terrorism (which they will) and child porn (which they will again) then the goverment can F off. I'm not a terrorist nor am I a pedophile but if someone was I gurentee that they wouldn't find evidance of this person until after the fact when your dealing with so much data to sift though it's like a needle in a haystack.
bottom line all this is stupid and a waste of our time and tax money for the 200 dollars I pay in taxes every paycheck I want to see somthing good.
Sorry for the rant this stuff just gets me going.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: obseard said by Chiyo:bottom line all this is stupid and a waste of our time and tax money for the 200 dollars I pay in taxes every paycheck I want to see somthing good. Only $200 a pay? I wish my taxes were that low.
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said by Chiyo:I'm not a terrorist nor am I a pedophile but if someone was I gurentee that they wouldn't find evidance of this person until after the fact when your dealing with so much data to sift though it's like a needle in a haystack. With terrorism and child porn, the emphasis is on PREVENTION and not on convictions after the fact. To do that they need info prior to a crime being committed, because after it is committed the horrendous damage has already been done. Now you may or may not agree with the methods needed to PREVENT crimes or agree whether they are truly effective. Or you(not you personally, just the generic you) may say that some collateral damage(a few thousand dead or a few thousand abused children) is just part of the price we all pay for privacy. But in the US, as in the EU(which passed these laws already), the majority of the citizens would agree that giving up some privacy is an acceptable price to pay.
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I'm all for stopping child porn; but you're not wiping your ass with the Constitution to do it. Then again, this has nothing to do with child porn. Oh, right now it does. Then we'll move onto terrorism, hate speech and then onto Libertarians, Democrats, left-leaning Republicans...you name it. | |
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1 edit | Re: Civil Disobedience said by clickie:I think that the ultimate tool against such invasive measures is a free screensaver that goes out to the major search engines, picks some random words out of a dictionary interspersed with common child porn words and starts spidering the results. Twenty-four hours per day, 365 days per year. They'll never be able to store all the results, let alone parse through them when thousands of people use something like this. I'm all for stopping child porn; but you're not wiping your ass with the Constitution to do it. Then again, this has nothing to do with child porn. Oh, right now it does. Then we'll move onto terrorism, hate speech and then onto Libertarians, Democrats, left-leaning Republicans...you name it. That's pretty much there Goal Im betting.Its for the children really am i the only one sick of hearing that come out of these Fascist's every day.
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Miami, FL | _ Can they shut child porn in the united states, sure. Can they do it worldwide, no.
The internet is just that, it only takes one server to host it and it's accessed around the world. They plan to invade every country to remove these criminals? Not likely. So this is pointless.
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Think of the children! Hooray for Al Gonzales, he is the man!
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| | Who voted for this dictatorship anyway?!? Question, why can't every executive, legislative and judicial offical resign, if they can't expose 100% of the American Public's privacy?
An equally chilling thought? Who's interest are they supporting.. the need to stop terrorism, or the Intellectual Property Rights of corporate dictatorships?
Another: Ethnol e85 costs .75 cents per gallon to make.. and can be produced domestically in 5 years pending proper funding. Yet, we proudly IMPORT product for a grand total after taxes and corporate markup of 4-7x that price today.
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Nevermind the formality of abiding by the Constitution, and/or the laws passed by the Congress, these guys just jump right to the extra-legal jaw-boning (arm-twisting) sessions, or illegal, and unconstitutional, clandestine spy-ops they seem to relish. Eliminates those pesky delays due to the legislative process, the prerequisite of probable cause, and the necessity of otherwise having to obtain a warrant.
I wonder when this administration, and its appointees, are going to recognize that there are three limited branches of government, all supposedly governed by the Constitution, and the rule of law?
I don't condone pedophilia, but sacrificing the privacy rights of the entire population in pursuit of pedophiles is unjustified.
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| The real reason PedoPorn is just the action line to sell this. The RIAA and MPAA has wanted this kind of information for years. They will file a freedom of information request and get your name what you downloaded and so on. States will want this info to see if you failed to pay sales tax on on line purchases. Newspapers will want this info so they can get dirt on somebody they want to screw over, Of course the Justice department can leak dirt about somebody which, if it is somebody they hate, the press will print this in banner headlines Senator (R)Joe Evil visits sites which show pictures of naked dogs and cats. This porno connection isn't fooling anyone
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2 edits | Counting the days And in two years it would be Oops dang it we just missed catching a major terrorist (or other American threat) by a mere week. As a nation we really need to keep those records on hand longer to safe guard the people, say five years. And in five years Oops... we really should keep those records on hand longer say 10 years. Say a decade yes a decade should be long enough.
Soon after that we find out that they never erased the old records or they had a back up somewhere. Probably stored on some new ultra secret Super capacity data storage device created by government funded defense research. And by then it's to late. Wonder if Gonzales and co is looking to put Hoover and his files on Americans to shame? Why do I see a repeat of Senator Joesph McCarthy's red scare campaign only less publicly open and with a more Gestapo / KGB feel to it.
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1 edit | Re: Counting the days said by anonpronman :
Spoken like a true communist.
- Give me Liberty or Give me Death!
Strange the whole stance of my comment is pro Freedom, pro Liberty and pro Democracy. I'm not the one advocating that records be kept for two years, which reeks of the Days of Hoover's FBI with files on everyone and anyone. Simply pointing out the slippery slope this could easily take. So what if some of our civil liberties are lost your safe right so who cares. So much for your liberty.
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Silver Spring, MD | well fellas... the internet as a whole is too huge of a force to be censored, or even fuckt with I might add.
Censor ish here, they'll be people finding other ways in. Too many variables to really stop the public from accessing info however they want over these cables and sat. signals IMO.
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Presumably, handing over the records to the government would still require a court order. Too bad that the government may not have much credibility in this respect.
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