Microsoft Ships 'OneCare' Security Suite

Microsoft Ships 'OneCare' Security Suite
Symantec offers up 'Norton 360' in counter-move
(old news - 02:17PM Wednesday May 31 2006)
tags: security · software

Microsoft officially released their OneCare security subscription service today, which includes a two-way firewall, anti-virus, anti-spyware, and assorted performance widgets. The subscription service costs $49.95 a year, and each subscription can cover up to three computers. As soon as the service was announced, Microsoft faced ample criticism for making OS security a costly add-on.

Microsoft has stated they're targeting the 70% of customers who don't use much of any protecting while on-line, but would also like to lure customers of security outfits like Symantec. Symantec, as a counter-move, today announced they'll be offering their own suite of services to do battle with OneCare dubbed "Norton 360" (previously code-named Genesis).

Note that McAfee this week also prepared for OneCare by announcing they'd be releasing an all-encompassing security suite they've dubbed "Falcon" (see their press release).

More detail on how OneCare functions from Microsoft here. Also see this review from Paul Thurott's Supersite, which notes the suite does lack anti-spam protection.

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djrobx join:2000-05-31 Valencia, CA	"Norton 360"? Does it protect my Xbox? -- Rob -- Rabble, rabble, rabble!
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dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA ·Comcast	Re: "Norton 360"? said by djrobx : Does it protect my Xbox? -- Rob LMAO! Naw, if you install Norton 360 on a computer, all the technology does a 360 and that killer new machine starts running like a TRS80! -- Think outside the Fox... Opera
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brianiscool join:2000-08-16 Miami, FL	Re: "Norton 360"? Will it put a force field around my house?
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alalper Premium join:2000-08-20 Philadelphia, PA	Harumph! I resemble that remark. I had (and used) the TRS80 (models 1 through 4) and they actually did a pretty good job for me. LOL! I actually would still like to use their SuperScripsit word processor (It had a really great, very easy to use mail merge feature that I would much rather use than Word or WordPerfect). Now that this old fart has successfully dated himself , I think I'll shut up.
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en102 Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA	Re: "Norton 360"? That's ok .... I still liked my old Commmodore 64 and Amiga512, and use VI for Windows as an editor.
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ammer join:2005-11-04 League City, TX	Re: "Norton 360"? Every time I hear the Windows / Linux / Apple Wars, I think about my old Amiga512 and how it owned them all. But talk about piracy run amok. Sheesh
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said by en102

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That's ok .... I still liked my old Commmodore 64 and Amiga512, and use VI for Windows as an editor.

Well I still have my C64's and they still work. I even have a 5 meg hard drive for my c64's that I picked up along time ago when I sold computers...

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inteller Sociopaths always win. join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK	said by dadkins : said by djrobx : Does it protect my Xbox? -- Rob LMAO! Naw, if you install Norton 360 on a computer, all the technology does a 360 and that killer new machine starts running like a TRS80! Norton did that already before this new release. -- "WHEN THE LAUGH TRACK STARTS THEN THE FUN STARTS!"
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figurez @charter.com	lol Symantec probably tacked the "360" into the name to spite Microsoft
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ssj4android Redefining Reality join:2002-04-14 Wyoming, MI	Re: "Norton 360"? Most likely. Which seems really immature and stupid.
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Kompressor Premium join:2002-02-12 Huntington Beach, CA	How about my Sega Genesis?
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Michieru2 zzz zzz zzz Premium join:2005-01-28 Miami, FL	Re: "Norton 360"? Do not mock the Sega Genesis and it's 1 bit goodness!
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Kompressor Premium join:2002-02-12 Huntington Beach, CA	Re: "Norton 360"? Don't you mean 16 bit goodness?
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Michieru2 zzz zzz zzz Premium join:2005-01-28 Miami, FL	Re: "Norton 360"? Yeah...hehe do not mock my intelligence either :P
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Anonymous_ Anonymous Premium join:2004-06-21 127.0.0.1 clubs: 1 edit	it's just a add on with a 100 more flaws
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BMerk @omcastbusiness.net	Ive been running Onecare for about 4 month and im amazed how many things it picks up on that other programs are unable find. I have yet to run into a problem, I jumped on the chance to buy the program for 29.95 a few months back and would highly recomend it to everyone !!!
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hurfy Premium join:2002-08-06 Spokane, WA	I was picturing a little Norton running around in circles all day...I wish he would just stop that and get to work...
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Joe12345678 join:2003-07-22 Des Plaines, IL	said by djrobx : Does it protect my Xbox? -- Rob no it makes your x360 so slow that you can only play old x-box games on it.
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Link Logger Premium,MVM join:2001-03-29 Calgary, AB ·Shaw	I find it interesting that all these long time so called leading security companies are rushing to get a competing product out. Why didn't they already offer this type of service before as then perhaps Microsoft wouldn't have entered their space? Blake -- Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool
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Re: "Norton 360"?

Competition. You only offer a better product if you feel you have to. Even if Microsoft's tools turn out to not be worth much (which I'm not saying it will) then at least it will have brought out enhancements from these other companies.
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Link Logger Premium,MVM join:2001-03-29 Calgary, AB ·Shaw	Re: "Norton 360"? said by Maxo : at least it will have brought out enhancements from these other companies. Which was likely Microsoft's original goal (and making a little $$ on the side doesn't hurt). Blake -- Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool
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rcdumont join:2006-05-23 New York, NY	LOL
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Mega DETH It's All About The Ping join:2003-08-20 Watertown, WI	Huh I'm not going to touch either with a 10' pole. -- "Action does not equal Achievement"
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dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA ·Comcast	Re: Huh said by Mega DETH : I'm not going to touch either with a 10' pole. ... coated with Teflon! -- Think outside the Fox... Opera
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Jigsaw Stardust We Are Premium join:2000-10-21 Cleveland, OH ·Cox HSI	said by Mega DETH : I'm not going to touch either with a 10' pole. Ditto... -- »www.auralmoon.com/html/ Stimulating ears for 6 years
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I'm personally glad they are charging people to protect the O/S they made. I honestly cannot believe the government has not made it mandatory to have a license to own a pc, or have internet access. It should be like HAM radio, then maybe we can get rid of the idiots that buy computers, let everyone in the neighborhood use them, then wonder why theres porn pop-ups and spyware all over the place. I am getting so sick of Windows O/S, I refuse to use it on my internet connected PC's at home. My laptop will connect thru my Linux box, but not to the internet, just to the intranet. It's not my laptop, so I don't/can't take a chance of some stupidity taking over. With Windows, there seems to be a new exploit announced daily. I say if you don't know how to compile a program, you don't know how to use a computer, end of story. Computer usage involves USING it for things you need AND FIXING it for things you broke.. If you can't do that, throw it out the window PLEASE!!!
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Re: Huh

Can you replace the head gasket(s) on your car?

If not, then by your logic, you shouldn't drive.

Can you recharge your air conditioner's refrigerant? By your logic, you shouldn't have A/C.

Sorry, but being a user does not automatically mean you have to know how to fix it, but I agree that it should mean that you know how to use it responsibly and maintain it. Expecting every computer user to be able to fix something when it breaks is unreasonable.
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jhacker join:2001-12-11 Peoria, IL ·Comcast ·Vonage ·Comcast Digital Vo..	said by phattieg : I say if you don't know how to compile a program, you don't know how to use a computer, end of story. I suppose that if you don't know how to rebuild your engine, you have no business driving a car either?
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firewire9999 join:2004-07-11 Livonia, MI	Hmmm norton 360??? Hmm does 360 mean degrees? So you install this your computer and it keeps doing a 360? Just like existing norton products that come to mind that always doing a 360!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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lawrence171 Evilly Yours - Evilness join:2001-12-24 Canada	Re: Hmmm norton 360??? NO! It will hog up 360 MB of your RAM just to run the background. Perhaps 1GB to actually do anything useful. -- What I used to be I no longer am... God, why can't you freeze time for my sake?
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RayW Premium join:2001-09-01 Layton, UT clubs:	Like a radar in scans in all directions? (Yes I know that there is another dimension that is not addressed, but MOST people think only in the horizontal plane) -- I am not lost, I find myself every time.
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lawrence171 Evilly Yours - Evilness join:2001-12-24 Canada	Re: Hmmm norton 360??? The 3rd dimension will be used when invoking any useful functions of the program. (Memory usage = 360^3 MB) -- What I used to be I no longer am... God, why can't you freeze time for my sake?
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ammer join:2005-11-04 League City, TX	quote: Like a radar in scans in all directions? Radars don't scan in all directions. That's why they must be mounted to a rotating device.
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Re: Hmmm norton 360???

said by ammer

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Radars don't scan in all directions.

True, some scan up and down, some scan side to side, and others scan round and round.

said by ammer

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That's why they must be mounted to a rotating device.

But in the sense you are trying to make, not always true. Phased array radar (to use a generic term) does not have a mechanical rotating device but is electrically pointed, a big difference if you have ever had to work on them.

But this has nothing to do with the question of the possible reason for the name of "Norton 360".
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Titus Pullo I came, I saw, I slept join:2004-06-26 ·Embarq	I've been working on my own security system for quite awhile, code named "Ralph Kramden 180," (showing my age here) so I have no need for Norton 360. I won't dignify the other company's offering with comment ... -- "I am not young enough to know everything." Oscar Wilde
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powerhog Stinkin' up the joint Premium join:2000-12-14 Owasso, OK	Re: I've been working on my own LOL- does it send the "baddies" to the moon? Yeah, I'm old too.
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EUS Kill cancer Premium join:2002-09-10 Montreal, QC clubs:	3 Words for Microsoft Conflict of interest.
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Samwoo join:2002-02-15 Rancho Palos Verdes, CA	Re: 3 Words for Microsoft shhh... don't tell microsoft that! »Morning Broadband Bytes »www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1969505,00.asp hopefully they will make their own service obsolete.
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Two words: Horse Puckey.

Microsoft has been utterly *hammered*, especially as of late, for leaving security fixes to third parties (primarily Symantec). However, by treating it as a service, Microsoft *still* leaves an opening for companies like Symantec (especially since OneCare is available exclusively online for now). Hence, no conflict of interest (notice that neither Symantec or McAfee is complaining) and no possible complaints of *tying* either. Sounds like you are trying to haveit both ways (complain that Microsoft doesn't make it part of the operating system, and when they come out with a service to fix the problems, castigate them for doing so at all).

While OneCare does *not* tackle spam (I know of no suite similar to OneCare that does except for McAfee's, and that suite has far more compatibility issues than OneCare does), OneCare is also a bargain at $50USD per year to cover three computers. There are also low-cost (or even free) anti-spam utilities (most anti-spam utilities are client-specific, and not everyone uses Microsoft Outlook for e-mail, though a lot of us, including me, do) that work with most e-mail software clients (McAfee's own antispam software has issues with Outlook, which is why I won't use it).

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EUS Kill cancer Premium join:2002-09-10 Montreal, QC clubs: 2 edits	Re: 3 Words for Microsoft Yeah, you're right, I should dish out $300 for an OS every 3 years, and then pay $50 USD a year to keep it safe. As a shareholder, I laugh and say YAHOO! As an end user, I scream Bullshit. Edit Spelling
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exocet_cm In memory of dadkins Premium join:2003-03-23 New Orleans, LA clubs:	Microsoft Ships 'OneCare' Security Suite "Microsoft Ships 'OneCare' Security Suite" Correct, only OneCare - That they turn a profit.
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NPGMBR join:2001-03-28 Arlington, VA	So MS is Offering This for 50 Bucks ......... And someone is complaining? I hope the complainers is not Norton or McAfee, because if MS would have offered it for free and included it as a download via Windows Update; im sure they would be running too their lawyers. Open your eyes guys, MS can't do it both ways!
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FiL Premium join:2005-08-16 Silver Spring, MD	the 3rd dimension? Ha! Norton's already in the 5th dimension, f'ing up computers in the future! Think 'Back to the Future' but with a 'Terminator 3' theme, except that cyborgs are using wifi-enabled pda's and force you to comply with their repair requests. All while moving about on hover boards. The machines are coming!
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kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY 2 edits	Thurott is an idiot... ... if he's complaining "...the suite does lack anti-spam protection." Seriously, every single mail client has built-in spam filter. I don't really see why would MS take on this, moreover Outlook DOES HAVE spam filter.
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cableties Premium join:2005-01-27 ·Verizon FIOS	No One Care Symantec = Bloatedware (aka Internut Security) Does it overheat like the Xbox 360? Why this confuses me! is it a video game? I think M$ should offer NoOneCare for $19.95/yr. Then Symantec will go Kablooey! (After 360 days, it will bug you and disable your PC...)
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This sounds like one of our vendors

We get a software release that 'fits the specification' until it is put out into the real world. Then we find that the software was not designed to do all that it should. So for ANOTHER $50,000 they will upgrade that feature.

And now the rest of the story:
I use to work for the company that is a vendor for the company I work for now. The software design was deliberately done that way to get add on work even though we knew what the correct way was. We full-filled the letter of the contract, even though we knew what the intent was.
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FiL Premium join:2005-08-16 Silver Spring, MD	lol@cableties... but I think the more aptly named "Microsoft No-Care" would be a lil more fitting.:)
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atuarre Here come the drums Premium join:2004-02-14 Lake Charles, LA clubs:	RE I tried it out when they were letting people test it out, I wasn't overly impressed. You'll probably need to download and install WGA before they allow you to install it on your computer though.
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dl0711 join:2004-06-27 London, ON	Microsoft = rip off Who in there right mind will buy a subscription service to OneCare to fix holes in the Microsoft OS that Microsoft should have fixed FREE of cost.?
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FiL Premium join:2005-08-16 Silver Spring, MD	my exact thoughts... I use seperate progs. Guess im p-noid about corners being cut when jamming all those progs together. But this can only be explained simply by saying were smarter the everyone else. No such thing as L337'z without the n00bz.
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b10010011 Whats a Posting tag? join:2004-09-07 Bellingham, WA 1 edit	Can Symantec use "360"? I am pretty sure Microsoft has a copyright?
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Kompressor Premium join:2002-02-12 Huntington Beach, CA 1 edit	Re: Can Symantec use "360"? I don't think you can copyright a number. You also can't copyright a color.
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b10010011 Whats a Posting tag? join:2004-09-07 Bellingham, WA ·Comcast Formerly .. 1 edit	Re: Can Symantec use "360"? What about trademark? In what could easily be mistaken for an Onion story, Microsoft has unleashed the full fury of its lawyers on 17-year-old Canadian high-school student, Mike Rowe, demanding the handover of his Internet domain. The domain? MikeRoweSoft.com. No, seriously. »www.theregister.com/2004/01/19/m···ke_rowe/
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Kompressor Premium join:2002-02-12 Huntington Beach, CA	Re: Can Symantec use "360"? I wonder how Microsoft caught wind of the domain. Maybe Mike really is a first-rate hoaxer. Interesting story.
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Red Dragon Imagine BBR in 20 years join:2005-04-30 Scarsdale, NY	neither I would take neither item. MS = garbage NIS = bloat ware so pick your poison.
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I agree..

Let's get "Real" for a moment...

I used to spend money all over the place with Security Software...

That was UNTIL I realized how ridiculous it can be..

Support isn't usually that good, anyway..

So... Why should I pay for M$ OneCare...

When I can get ... McAfee with the Firewall and the Privacy Service for NO charge from Comcast?

Mostly ALL Broadband providers offer SOME securuty software for free...

Charter offers F-Secure...

I'll stay with McAfee thank you..
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Pictor Guy join:2004-06-21 Sammamish, WA	ROFLMAO Hehehe... he said Microsoft and Security in the same line. What are the Vegas odds for OneCare?
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Give Me A Break!

Always enjoy the MS haters posting about a product they have never used. Kind of like stating you would never buy a Chevy having never driven one.Consider these sort of posts as GIGO.

Second, comments about MS ripping people off by providing a product to fix their own product (A conspiracy to make more money, as one poster has already implied he did with a former employer?) or stating MS should just fix windows and obviate the need for AV software etc exhibit a critical flaw in their argument. MS delivers an OS that works 99%+ as advertised. Some people, out for personal gain or fame, work to break the software, as written. Since NO software can ever be considered 100% bullet proof, MS provides a tool to allow users to further protect themselves from such folks. Think of this way, Goodyear sells a tire that works as advertised. Someone or something causes a flat. Is it appropriate for Goodyear to supply and charge for a patch? I think so.

For what its worth, I have been using OneCare for about 5 months and find it very easy to use and extremely competent. With OneCare, I worry less about the wife corrupting her machine, plus backing up critical files - done automatically by OneCare.

Is OneCare a perfect solution? No. But, in years past I used Norton and most recently McAfee. From my personal experience OneCare is a superior solution at a reasonable price for 3 puters. YMMV

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Finally - a 2-way firewall

I find it interesting that Microsoft has finally admitted that a 2-way firewall is a good thing. Especially after all the hype they put out about a one-way-inbound only one being more than adequate for so long.

As far as it being an added cost service - I imagine that comes from several angles:
#1 - it's a renewable income source, just as the annual license fees charged by the other big-name anti-virus vendors.
#2 - they can't very well "build it in" to XP now without a major effort, and that
#3 - might disable 3rd party products ability to do the job, which would land MSFT back in federal court again.

Now - maybe this will get the other big names like Symantec et. al. to concentrate on security rather than bloatware. To compete with the Big Dog (a.k.a. Microsoft) you have to build a significantly better product or risk being swamped by their ability to underbid you.
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Re: Finally - a 2-way firewall

Antivirus companies such as Symantec have had a "free ride" for way too long with increasingly bloated and expensive products. For the past four years Norton AV has turned away its former customers with ridiculously strict licensing and activation models for its security software. I like the fact that Microsoft realizes it has to offer a product like this since the third party companies have done such a poor job with this software. I also like the fact that MS is allowing it to be installed on more than one of your computers (at least at first). One future negative is that we will probably see a yearly subscription based version of Windows Vista offered with OneCare based protection. In the long run MS will be using this as a beta test for a general Windows subscription model. For now I will see how OneCare compares with my current favorite ZoneAlarm Security Suite and with my recent stand alone antivirus favorites like NOD32 and CA EZ Antivirus.

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