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| Re: Hmm What's the term I'm looking for?
Ah, GORILLA MARKETING.
Whats with the antenna looking thing? Stylus?
Well at least the exif data checks out.
File size: 24027 bytes
File date: 2006:06:04 12:34:20
Camera make: SANYO Electric Co.,Ltd.
Camera model: C6
Date/Time: 2006:06:02 20:45:17
Resolution: 425 x 307
Flash used: No
Focal length: 31.5mm
Exposure time: 0.500 s (1/2)
Aperture: f/4.7
ISO equiv.: 117
Metering Mode: center weight
Exposure: program (auto)
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| Yes we shall see - but I doubt it.
Assuming it is real - and why wouldn't MS want to get into this market? - just because it's a Microsoft product I will venture these (rather obvious) predictions:
* Windows Media formats will be heavily favored (as in, easier to use on the device than anything else) or maybe even the exclusive formats.
* It will be hobbled with extensive DRM.
* It will be locked into Windows and/or some Microsoft music store, tighter than iPods are linked to iTunes. | |
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| Re: Hmm said by HMS1 :* It will be locked into Windows and/or some Microsoft music store.... Locked is right - it will likely ONLY be compatible with Windows - probably both XP (SP2) and Vista, but possibly ONLY Vista. I'll be shocked and surprised if is actually cross-platform compatible beyond that.
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| Re: Hmm said by BuriedCaesar :Locked is right - it will likely ONLY be compatible with Windows - probably both XP (SP2) and Vista, but possibly ONLY Vista. I'll be shocked and surprised if is actually cross-platform compatible beyond that. Well, you can count it being Linux compatible out, obviously MS would not make it compatible with that.
And, they wouldn't really care about getting to people with Macs. Their marketshare is still very small compared to Windows. And if the people are already Apple customers, why would they chose this over the iPod?
It's not hard to figure out it would be Windows only. Though, if they want to get it into millions of hands as quickly as possible, making it Vista-only would be a bad move. | |
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| Re: Hmm have it windowsCE based, since there is allready a working copy of it, just enhance the media abilities.
and in terms of locking and DRM, MS doesn't sell music to the extent apple does(ipods are locked for tunes, weak), so there would be no point in making it DRM ridden like a sony product.
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[/bquote :And, they wouldn't really care about getting to people with Macs. Their marketshare is still very small compared to Windows. And if the people are already Apple customers, why would they chose this over the iPod? I wouldn't be so sure about MS writing off the iPod/Mac user base. MS has reacted to less market share with products like Firefox. MS also made sure to tout iPod connectivity with the Xbox360. It should be interesting to see how this plays out. | |
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Microsoft wants into every market.
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| Re: Hmm What many Apple bashers fail to note is that the iPod can play plain ol' MP3 files with no DRM whatsoever. I have 20 gigs of music on my iPod and not a single track was bought through iTunes. They all were either ripped from CDs I bought, or they were downloaded through P2P.
My general practice is to download for free any song I think I may like. If after a few listens I really love it, and if further research shows the album is worthwhile, then I attempt to buy the CD. That is, unless I see a label indicating copy-protection. If that's the case then I immediately vow to never purchase any music from said artist and instead make the slight added effort to find and download the highest quality MP3s off P2P.
Back on topic, though, nobody buys an iPod because they love the iTunes music STORE. People love the iPods, and they love the iTunes software and how seamlessly they work together. The iTunes store is just a tag-along. | |
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| Re: Hmm Most regular Ipod users buy their music through Itunes actually. That aside, the best thing about the Ipod is the shiny back, and small size. I guess if you like the click wheel, that's a plus too. But there's nothing special about Ipods; in fact their screens are quite sub-par. Take a look at a Vision:M if you want to see why.. | |
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| "Killer"? I don't think there will be an iPod killer. They have the product everyone measures themselves against both in the product and the marketing. Features of a new product from a new competitor won't "kill" the iPod. At most, it would cause Apple to consider additional features.
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| Re: "Killer"? That is what they said about Netscape back around 1993-95 when Microsoft first created the abortion called Internet Explorer (the Kill Netscape Project according to certain Microsoft Mail Product Support people) that was to become the most used (and abused) browser in the world today.
Back then no one really thought that Microsoft would ever kill Netscape, especially those of us who were working on trying to support Microsoft Mail in a 20000 people environment, and not getting any of the promised support and updates from Microsoft. Just goes to show if you have enough people, money, and control certain aspects, you can do whatever you want.
And if there are any legal issues, the lawyers will tie up the courts while they release mod after mod that gets tested using taxpayer $'s until it works right without legal entanglements.
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| Re: "Killer"? Netscape didn't adapt. Plus free browsers are very different then products that are purchased. People try free things without having to make a decision. If you owned Netscape and paid $200 for it, would you have spent $200 on IE?
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| Re: "Killer"? True, but then they (Netscape) did not have entire teams of engineers and programmers to pull off of other projects and millions of dollars to throw at it. Plus the ability to make security patches to win95 that just accidentally broke one browser while mysteriously not affecting the latest version of the other.
Again, my point that Microsoft has the resources and money to make a product that can kill another still has validity. (of course, there where a few times that it did not work, but some people also say it was also partially due to anti-trust fears)
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| said by GeekNJ :Netscape didn't adapt. Plus free browsers are very different then products that are purchased. People try free things without having to make a decision. If you owned Netscape and paid $200 for it, would you have spent $200 on IE? That and it got bloated up to wazoo after AOL bought it. Don't forget, it took MS a while to get it right as well. IE versions 1 + 2 were a complete joke compared to their respective Netscape versions, IE 3 was OK, but not enough to convince me to switch, IE 4 IMO was a total disaster. IE 5 was when things got better, and surprisingly so. At that point the only things that were added to Netscape were ads/bloat, that's when I switched to IE as it looked and felt a lot neater and cleaner than Netscape. That was until spyware nightmare and coming of Firefox.
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| Re: "Killer"? said by Pirate515 :IE versions 1 + 2 were a complete joke compared to their respective Netscape versions, IE 3 was OK, but not enough to convince me to switch, Yup, that was part of my point. Then AOL came in and pretty much killed off Netscape.
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Get real. MS released IE, which absolutely sucked, for free. That got people to look. Then they spent a little of their considerable capital to improve the product while Netscape, robbed of their sole source of income, were unable to compete.
Get your facts straight before go around speaking nonsense. | |
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| Re: "Killer"? Yes, Netscape didn't adapt. If their product was superior, even if they cost, they could have been successful. I first used a browser with NCSA Mosaic so it's not like I'm just getting into this.
What you feel is the case with IE is no different then many feel the same about the iPod. Folks feel the iPod is a poor MP3 player and there are far better alternatives, yet the iPod is "the" MP3 product. The other companies have to adapt, like Netscape didn't, or they'll be just a footnote in some MP3 history book.
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| Re: "Killer"? said by HMS1 : (b) controlling what got installed by OEMs. Very true, although Microsoft at the time claimed that it did not do so deliberately to get rid of any specific company.
But whatever, the point being that despite what people thought about Netscape (and now iPod) at the time, Microsoft, by ignoring existing products that had issues, put many people onto a project that had one desired affect - Kill Netscape. And then when taken to court, lie about the integration over and over until they FINALLY managed to program windows such that you had to have IE and could not remove it (concept beta tested with tax dollars).
If they do the same on the iPod, then it will probably be the same scenario (although it will be interesting to see what type of 'security' change will kill iPod operations via a Microsoft computer and still hold up to an Apple lawsuit).
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I'd like to see them try to give away an iPod-wannabe for free to millions of people! | |
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| Re: "Killer"? when people use the term "xxx killer", it usually means "xxx copycat". if it really was a killer, it would render the previous technology obsolete instead of doing the same thing and claiming to do it better. like dsl as to dial-up or fuel injection as to carburetor. | |
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| Re: Some competition for iPod would be nice You can replace the battery. It just isn't as easy as plugging in headphones.
I don't see how MS making a MP3 player will be any competition for Apple. MS is a software company and they have not had success whenever they try to make hardware. They stopped making Wi-Fi products and the Xbox has lost huge amounts of many for them.
Apple has lots of competition from virtually every other company in the world. Despite people constantly claiming that the iPod is overpriced, none of the hundreds of companies that make MP3 players seem to be able to get their act together and create something with the same features, size, ease of use, etc for less money. | |
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| Re: Some competition for iPod would be nice Actually the xbox turned a profit on the software sales for them. Since they lost cash on the console itself does not mean it was a bad sell. The software sales and xbox live were a huge hit.
You don't need to make profit on everything if the whole division turns a profit.
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| Take a look at the Vision:M. It has a superior screen, arguably better playback, more integrated features, about the same size, and it costs less.. The reason Ipod is so successful is because it's a product of one of the most successful marketing companies in the world. Apple is 100% marketing, and design to marketing.
Edit: Oh yeah, it also plays just about every format, output's video at actual SDTV resolution, and has a slightly better battery life. | |
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| There's plenty of legitimate competition for the iPod. Enough to make smart shoppers think twice about getting one. However Apple is a marketing monster and have made the iPod look very, very sexy. Why the other companies haven't invested so much in marketing is anybody's guess, but iPod killers have been out for a few years now. | |
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| It's only a matter of time. Apple is naive to think that no one else will come out with a good player. And when that player can get music from every music store, it will crush the ipod. Apple has set it up so the ipod and itunes are locked to each other. This of course is great while they are a monopoly, but if someone else makes a player that works with every other music store and can gain a decent market share, the ipod will topple. | |
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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| Music is overrated! Plus, with all the bullshit DRM, Copy Protection & proprietary formats(and RIAA Big Brother tactics), I fail to see the lure of these devices any more.
Show me a device that will play anything - anywhere... without all the baggage and we can talk!
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Albuquerque, NM
| Zen vision m? Personally I think Creatives Zen Vision M is blowing Apple out of the water for the MP3/Video category. First, Creatives display is years ahead with thousands of more colors... anyone who views each side by side will go for the zen display.. Apple still does not support FM and the Zen will do regular AVI, XVID and mpegs unlike the Ipod video that has to be transcoded to a special codec. The only problem with the vision is that Creative has crappy distribution support and they can't keep them in stores.. they are selling like hotcakes and are often out of stock in their own online store.. Apples flash drive the shuffle also has to be the worst POS since it is just that.. a shuffle with no ability to play folders, ID3 tags etc.. my 1 gig muvo TX is smaller, lighter, has FM and can play folders, tags and records for less money then the shuffle.. Please somebody explain how apple is so superior with less features for more $$.. I don't get it. | |
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| Re: Go learn how to use a camera Or it may be from a cameraphone...no manual options at all, so it probably held the shutter open way too long. It's impossible to get a good picture off of a cameraphone at night. But still, you'd think that out of the dozens of pics he shot, at least one would be decent... | |
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| Yawn Wake me up when this juvenile nonsene is over. Every one has an iPod killer these days and they don't sell anywhere near the levels of the iPod.
The word killer must mean their new product is already dead I guess. I'll believe it when I have a new word stuck in my vocabulary. Maybe they could call it the VoleBox. That's catchy.
Instead of every company in America trying to beat a product that already exists, they should try to come up with a NEW product for a change. Imagine the technology we could have if these major companies spent their R&D dollars on things that weren't just mp3 players. Come on already. Did companies fight this hard over skateboards? I see those things everywhere too but never read about them in the press.
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»archos.com/products/tv_centric/a···&lang=en
The Arhos AV series has been an iPod killer for a few years now. Unfortunately, the marketing team (at least here in the states) is non-existent.
100GB HDD, nice and slim, plays all audio and video formats (as well as photos) and also doubles as a portable DVR (you can record from your TV)
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| Good looking unit, but it's hardly an iPod killer since it's priced way out of iPod's range... At $500-550 range for 100gb model it simply has no chance of winning that fight. Even 30gb AV 500 costs around $400-450. Now if it was $299, then we would of had an instant winner due to vast feature advantage over iPod.
Now, iPod Nano is a different story... It's hard to beat that, although out of all manufacturers SanDisk with their Sansa E260 might have done it. | |
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join:2005-04-14
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| Its not the marketing team, its the price and portability. The Ipod isn't as large as the device you speak.
The only real place that carries these things is CompUSA (at least in VA).
Best Buy and Circuit City (at least the ones I've been to) do not carry this item.
As for this article...what a waste of time to post. Its complete conjecture as to what that image is. I could say its a box of candy with an overlay from photoshop. | |
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| Unfortunately... There will never be a true ipod killer. Apple has won in marketing and advertising. We all know here that the ipod is crap compared to its competition offering much more features and banh for your buck. I personally think sony's line of Hi-MD walkman and Network Walkman are totally superior to everything else on the market today. Offering things like longer battery life (30-40 hours), much smaller players, superior sound quality, extra storage per gig (throug atrac3plus), and very well built players (magnesium or aluminum). And Hi-MD walkman also offer the extra perk of recording and removable media. Hi-MD runs off 1GB (675 songs, $5 each) and 300MB (200 songs, $1 each) minidiscs. Sony has some really great players/recorders going these days.
 Hi-MD MZ-RH10 (I own one of these beauties)
 Hi-MD MZ-NH1
 Network Walkman NW-HD1 20GB 13,000 songs (credit card sized)
 NW-HD5 20GB 13,000 songs
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| Re: Unfortunately... Sounds nice, except that dealing with minidiscs is a hassle. My music folder has 30GB (although I'll admit that a substantial portion of that is uncompressed AIFFs that have been output from Logic Pro as a result of my part-time mixing work). I don't want to have to split it up onto 30 discs...I'd rather just plug in a device and have it all copy while I take a shower or eat lunch or something. I'm not saying that the iPod is the perfect device (that one that someone mentioned above that has the nonexistent U.S. marketing looks pretty spiffy)--I'm just saying that this Sony one doesn't fit a lot of people's needs. | |
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*music stops*
"What the..."
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| ... People keep on going on about more features and better bang for your buck.. Has it ever occured to you that we here are not the average consumer and the average consumer doesn't want or need all the features these other players have that we keep going on about. Also, no player out there is as simple looking or as simple to use as the iPod. Look at that Arcos video player someone posted before, That thing looks a hell of a lot more complicated to use to the average person than the iPod. I'm not saying players like these shouldn't be made, but I think it's time you all realize the average consumer will NEVER be as 'enlightened' as we are here. | |
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join:2004-01-04
Houston, TX
| IPod? I never owned an iPod and I don't want to. But I played with one my friend has - I did not like it at all.
The best player so far I found and use is Creative Zen Vizion 30 GB.
It plays almost every music format including AVI and DIVX.
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