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Though it violates Verizon's TOS
(old news - 10:27AM Friday Jun 16 2006)
tags: Video · wireless · bandwidth
Gizmodo points to this YouTube video of a Motorola Q user streaming television and controlling their Tivo via the hand-held smartphone. While Verizon's wireless broadband EV-DO service can apparently keep up with the bandwidth demand, we're wondering how much television you could actually watch before Verizon Wireless becomes annoyed with your bandwidth consumption. Also note that Verizon's TOS prohibits everything but browsing and e-mail.

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chemaupr

join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA

TREO 700w and EVDO

I do the same with ORB.com in my TREO... so far so good (4months) and no compliants from VZ yet. Regardless, I pay them 45bucks(15 more than my cable internet) so they better don't come crying..

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: TREO 700w and EVDO

$45 is cheap for mobile access. I suspect that in time (or if you set of enough trip wires) they'll come after you.

bassthumpa
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join:2000-12-26
Austin, TX
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Browsing and e-mail?

From what I've been reading over at Howard Forums, even browsing and using email too much can get you shut down. Some have reported this after using devices extensively while handling large attachments, etc.
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LiamJunket
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Users who do this will have to risk losing service

Anyone doing this type of activity on an EVDO connection is sophisticated enough to know they are breaking Verizon's Terms of Service. So if they go ahead anyway and watch videos on a regular enough basis to come to the attention of Verizon's network abuse group, then they shouldn't be surprised when their service is disconnected.
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rachelsfx

join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL

Re: Users who do this will have to risk losing service

said by LiamJunket See Profile :

Anyone doing this type of activity on an EVDO connection is sophisticated enough to know they are breaking Verizon's Terms of Service. So if they go ahead anyway and watch videos on a regular enough basis to come to the attention of Verizon's network abuse group, then they shouldn't be surprised when their service is disconnected.
Then why advertise "Unlimited" usage? Truth is that VZ and the rest want you to BUY their videos and use all the bandwidth you want.

Honestly, who really want to watch all that garbage on a cell phone?

But, my point is: is VZ going to shut you off if your bandwidth is all BUYING their videos and music? No, of course not.

Isn't all this ridiculous since that is what iPods are for?

Honestly, Europe and Japan are way ahead. They don't care how much you use.

To be blunt, I'd rather they spend money putting up towers so I can make phone calls. In Europe, cell calls are just like landlines. In the USA, it's like Vonage.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME

Re: Users who do this will have to risk losing service

This is sort of the 'net neutrality' bit.
You can consume as much or 'our' (VZW / V-cast) material as you want for a price. If its not in our best intere$t (i.e. we're not making money on both ends), it had better be light browsing, or we'll shut you down.

floepie

join:2005-12-01

said by rachelsfx See Profile :

said by LiamJunket See Profile :

Honestly, Europe and Japan are way ahead. They don't care how much you use.

To be blunt, I'd rather they spend money putting up towers so I can make phone calls. In Europe, cell calls are just like landlines. In the USA, it's like Vonage.
Huh? OK, this is OT, but compared to Europe, this is the land of the flat data fees (unlimited usage) - way more expensive in Europe and most likely Asia as well. What does that have to do with being ahead?

Cell calls like landlines? Look at your phone bill the next time you call a European mobile. And secondly, while our coverage lags, generally you are either covered or aren't covered - and if you are, then GSM there is GSM here.

Chiyo
Save Me Konata-Chan
Premium
join:2003-02-20
Minneapolis, MN
clubs:

Sprint the way to go

I do the samething with my sprint PDA phone and man it's sweet and no whinenig from Sprint
DMWCincy

join:2004-04-27
Fairfield, OH

Re: Sprint the way to go

Tell that to my friend. He had Nextel for 5 yrs with no problems and always paid his bill on time and in full every month. He runs his own consulting company and receives tons of calls and emails daily. After the Nextel/Sprint merge they automatically cut him off after a certain amount of use(which ends up being around the middle of the month). He's offer to go to a different plan, pay his monthly average in advance, etc to keep them from cutting out service since he lives by his cell. They will not budge at all. One time he even had a credit on his account for paying too much and still gets cut off. Now he is shopping around for a new service...

atuarre
Here come the drums
Premium
join:2004-02-14
Lake Charles, LA
clubs:

Yup

If you violate the TOS of your wireless provider for doing stuff like this, and you knowling violate it, then don't say they better not come to you or your cut yourself off.

It's the price you pay for violating the TOS.
malikarne

join:2006-06-14
USA

Re: Yup

Go by the rules and nothing will ever happen. I have never understood why anyone in their right mind are defending big companies with billions in profits when it's obvious that the lack of competition make them think they can do whatever they want. Obeying and quiet customers stifle innovation and keeps prices and inflation high!!

I hope all users violates such greedy TOS so everybody gets disconnected and there's noone left to charge!!

There's obviously a big need for competition in this arena since the big Telcos still are having employees hunting people who fully utilizes their service, or charge horrendeous sums extra for unlimited services. Canada is even worse where BCE have a near monopoly. I think FCC should stop all these huge mergers going on. Noone likes inflation.
malikarne

join:2006-06-14
USA

Re: Yup

OK, I didn't read properly.

It's far worse than I thought. It IS the unlimited service which is cut without warning at more than 10 GB.
And it has nothing to do with the TOS, just use 10 as a good citizen and your'e still cut. Bravo Verizon!

How this story will unfold will be interesting. My rather qualified guess is that V can easily accomodate more bandwidth if they want too. Isn't it mostly fiber to the cell towers?

The profit they make on getting paid for an already high-margin service which they cancel at 10 GB without warning can certainly pay for better equipment and bandwidth upgrades.

Customers goes to Sprint who happily welcomes them.
»www.evdoforums.com/about2366.html

atuarre
Here come the drums
Premium
join:2004-02-14
Lake Charles, LA
clubs:
Doesn't matter. If they are violating their TOS, then they deserve what they get. If the TOS says do not do this, and you agree to those terms when you sign up for the service, and then break the rules, you get what you get.
ibpitcher2

join:2003-10-29
New York, NY

kinda funny

When i renewed my verizon service, the customer service guy told me about free wireless broadband. I told him I was interested up until the point where he said it was 60 dollars a month. I said I thought it was free, and he goes yeah, the card is free. Go figure. He still tried talking me into it telling me about all of the things you can do on there, apparently he must've been violating the TOS .
cb90068

join:2005-02-10
Los Angeles, CA

Re: kinda funny

so much for "unlimited"

I'd sue them or take them to arbitration for misleading advertising/breach of contract. You cant say here.. you have unlimited usage...then threaten a customer cause they used a lot of data. That's absurd.

I have Sprint, and they recently raised their Unlimited SMS text messaging from $5 to $15. I still have the $5, and I'll never remove that option lol.. screw $15. Anyway... so last month I used 2850 SMS messages. lol (AOL Instant Messenger via SMS) If they started to threaten me about "misuse" just cause I use a lot.. it'd be war.
ditka_b
Premium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL

Re: kinda funny

Verizon is changing their advertising for evdo away from unlimited and will provide thewe details at sign up.
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