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Fraud, waste, and no oversight
(old news - 08:48AM Tuesday Jul 11 2006)
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We've long illuminated the fraud, waste and dysfunction inherent in the FCC's USF and E-rate systems, which you pay into each month via various bills to help fund rural telecom deployment. Because the system is poorly monitored by the FCC, some allege it's at best a slush fund for the incumbent telcos.

Techdirt and Daniel Berninger explore the FCC's push to regulate VoIP providers, forcing them to pay into the system without actually reforming it first. Berninger notes this is simply taking money from upstarts and dumping it into the pockets of the FCC's pals, the incumbent telcos:
"The USF represents a bureaucrat's dream, because there exists no accountability for results. Success gets judged purely in terms of collecting and spending money. (The USAC's annual report) does not mention penetration rates or any other metric that might qualify as a measure of universal service (i.e. fund results) rather than money (i.e. fund input.) The fact that the telephone industry insiders dominating the USAC board remain silent about the lack of results further shows the program exists to serve telephone companies not the cause of universal service."
As we've also pointed out, the FCC's broadband penetration statistics are highly suspect, obfuscating the possibility that incumbent friendly FCC policy may not be working. The USF program, the piece offers, currently does more harm than good.

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kdandaoc

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Your Kidding , right?

"The USF program, the piece offers, currently does more harm than good."

The USF program hasn't been anything but a slushfund for decades. To add insult to injury, this was supposed to have been remedied with the telecom act of 96. This is f***** typical, taxation beyond explanation!

rachelsfx

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Re: Your Kidding , right?

The USF Fund that pays for Schools and Libraries is okay, but not for Telcos in BFE.

One rural telco got so much money it rebated customers their phone bill for a year plus a little extra.

Another telco used the USF to fund DSL and Cell Service. If no USF, they never could have done it.

Forbes did a study and found 99% of Rural Telcos DID NOT need USF money to make a profit!

All the RBOCs are lobbying to end the USF.

dvd536
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Re: Your Kidding , right?

said by rachelsfx See Profile :

The USF Fund that pays for Schools and Libraries is okay, but not for Telcos in BFE.

One rural telco got so much money it rebated customers their phone bill for a year plus a little extra.

Another telco used the USF to fund DSL and Cell Service. If no USF, they never could have done it.

Forbes did a study and found 99% of Rural Telcos DID NOT need USF money to make a profit!

All the RBOCs are lobbying to end the USF.
When was the last time you heard about ANY telephone company not making a profit lol. (I'm talking REAL telcos, not vonage)
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said by rachelsfx See Profile :

All the RBOCs are lobbying to end the USF.
Where did you read this?

The RBOC's have been lobbying for years that their competition (first cellular and wireless, and now Cable and VOIP) should pay INTO this fund (ie, EXPAND IT) because the fund is paid TO them to reimburse their 'costs' of providing services.

I have yet to hear of one Bell that is lobbying to remove the USF.
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Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

Daniel Berninger joined Tier1 Research in August 2004 as Senior Analyst covering telecom. Daniel has over a decade of experience that includes helping to launch three prominent VoIP startups - ITXC, Vonage, and Free World Dialup.
Sounds to me like astroturfing by a VOIP bought and paid for consultant who is lobbying Congress on behalf of Vonage. That makes some of his assumptions subject to doubt.
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Ahrenl

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Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

No Doubt. But are you contending that the USF actually accomplishes what it is supposed to?

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Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

said by Ahrenl See Profile :

No Doubt. But are you contending that the USF actually accomplishes what it is supposed to?
No. I think the whole USF should be dropped completely. It is just another unneeded tax accomplishing nothing. But if the tax exists, then VOIP companies shouldn't be left off the hook either.
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Ahrenl

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Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

Agreed, but new entrants into the industry shouldn't be forced to pay into it until the power to disperse the funds are taken away from their entrenched competitors. They should have equal access to the funds; or service providers should be separated from infrastructure owners, as it should be. Then it would just be service providers collecting funds for the pipeline servicers, who would build improvement for everyone. This is just another problem created by the lack of free market. Unreproducible assets can't be used in competition if you want it to be free and fair.
thegoldwater
Thegoldwater

join:2002-03-10
Parkton, MD

Why shouldn't ANY *service* companies be left off the hook. When you read the enabling legislation for the USF-- it is about providing access through infrastructure to rural areas, not necessarily *services*. The original intent of the legislation was to make sure that telcos were actually wiring rural areas in the same manner they wire urban areas.

Why should services subsidize hardware infrastructure?

By that argument, Google should be taxed to help pay to run copper down the road.
Ahrenl

join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA

Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

Google doesn't provide voice communications. If they did, that part of their business should have to collect USF fees. Just like companies providing full time multi-channel video services should either ALL be subject to local franchise agreements, or none of them should. There shouldn't' be a double standard. But it works the other way too. The large incumbents should be in charge of how/where the money is spent either. If you're going to have government intervention, it needs to be as equal as possible or you eventually end up with market imbalances. (like say large service duopolies)
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said by thegoldwater See Profile :

By that argument, Google should be taxed to help pay to run copper down the road.
You do realize that Ed Whitaker et. al. are arguing that very point, do you not?
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kamm

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said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

said by Ahrenl See Profile :

No Doubt. But are you contending that the USF actually accomplishes what it is supposed to?
No. I think the whole USF should be dropped completely. It is just another unneeded tax accomplishing nothing. But if the tax exists, then VOIP companies shouldn't be left off the hook either.
Let's drop it entirely.

I propose to slash the Iraqi budget of Pentagon entirely as well and use it for telecommunication purposes. It's a win-win: grunts will be home, contributing to the domestic production and within very short time we will be the #1 broadband nation of the world.

R4M0N
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Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

Keep proposing it. One day someone will care to pay attention.
Ahrenl

join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA

Slashing the budget won't bring anyone home or solve anything. It needed to be stopped before it started. But since the congress is spineless, and we've got a cowboy in the executive branch, with a bunch of 3rd termers (1st was Bush senior for most of those guys) as his cabinet; we're there. If we just pull out all it once it would be civil war, followed by an invasion by Iran. You want Iran to control more of our oil supply, AND share a border with Saudi Arabia, where we get MOST of our oil? Bad Idea.

Back on topic, we can slash the USF without making any budget cuts, because the money it collects isn't doing anything anyway.

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July 11th, @02:39PM

Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

said by Ahrenl See Profile :

Slashing the budget won't bring anyone home or solve anything. It needed to be stopped before it started.
A budget cut means the whole Iraqi adventure is over...

But since the congress is spineless, and we've got a cowboy in the executive branch, with a bunch of 3rd termers (1st was Bush senior for most of those guys) as his cabinet; we're there. If we just pull out all it once it would be civil war, followed by an invasion by Iran. You want Iran to control more of our oil supply, AND share a border with Saudi Arabia, where we get MOST of our oil? Bad Idea.
Cut the nonsense.
Iran would never invade Iraq - they are not stupid to put up with the same shit we can't fight already.

Yes, we should pull out and pay for the damages we caused. This is the international law. By the way the law also says the Occupant cannot change/move the population by force, cannot bring detainees out of their country, cannot install a goverment on its own and must provide the security of the population etc etc.

We have already failed on all counts.
We are losers, let's face it. A bunch of arrogant losers, without any fuckin' idea how to win a war - no wonder we have lost every full-blown war we've been involved since WWII (which, interestingly enough, was also the last real war where we've fought on the good side.)

Back on topic, we can slash the USF without making any budget cuts, because the money it collects isn't doing anything anyway.
I agree.
Ahrenl

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Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

Yeah, I'd contend we did none of those things. Personally you sound like a raving loon. Iran would absolutely invade Iraq in a heartbeat. Their oil production is declining, and is projected to continue to do so; it's one of the legitimate reasons why they want nuclear power. You're living with blinders on...

All your points about Iraq are laughably incorrect, it's not even worth discounting them one by one. They're just all wrong, and any sane person can see how. So there's no need for me to go through them. I'm sure you won't accept that, but you wouldn't have accepted the truth about each anyway. I'll make a sign for you that you can carry around that says "Support genocidal dictators who Invade their neighbors".

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July 11th, @06:11PM

Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

Ahrenl
I couldn't possibly agree more with your posts

Amen to that.

BTW: Liberals lose ideologically based elections-- Unless they can convince voters that they aren't liberal

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said by kamm See Profile :

Let's drop it entirely.

I propose to slash the Iraqi budget of Pentagon entirely as well and use it for telecommunication purposes. It's a win-win: grunts will be home, contributing to the domestic production and within very short time we will be the #1 broadband nation of the world.
fixed it for you

I say double it. This way the DOD, can send more ammo & armor, to our Troops, so they can kick more azz, complete the mission objectives earlier than projected, and America can hold a big "Welcome back home Boys" celebration in honor of their heroic service to our Country.
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July 11th, @02:30PM

Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

said by guitarzan See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

Let's drop it entirely.

I propose to slash the Iraqi budget of Pentagon entirely as well and use it for telecommunication purposes. It's a win-win: grunts will be home, contributing to the domestic production and within very short time we will be the #1 broadband nation of the world.
fixed it for you
? What?

I say double it. This way the DOD, can send more ammo & armor, to our Troops, so they can kick more azz, complete the mission objectives earlier than projected, and America can hold a big "Welcome back home Boys" celebration in honor of their heroic service to our Country.
Umm precisley what service...?
Invading a sovereign country without any prior action, unilaterally, without international support?
Turning the whole Middle East into a big Al-Q training camp?
Driving the gas price above $3/g?
Making sure that the whole world despise us?
Securing that every single Arab of the world will hate us forever?
Leveling Iraq biggest cities to the ground?
Killing between 50,000-100,000 civilians?
Bombing back Iraq to the stone age including hospitals, schools?
Reducing the electricity, water and basic utilities to a a pre-Saddam level?
Securing power for a religious extrememist government?
Giving Iran the control over Iraq?
Helping to strip women's rights completely, rights they had even under Saddam's dictatorship?
Forcing Iraqi governement to order from only US businesses, give them concessions with no-bid process but full tax-free status so they can take out the profit immediately?
Igniting a full-blown civil war so making sure the country will remain in a "persistent vegetative state" for at least another decade or so?

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Kamm, buddy! I just knew you'd have to get in a political bash the war post in a totally unrelated thread. You've re inforced my faith in you, my friend.

kamm

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Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?

said by Fatal Vector See Profile :

Kamm, buddy! I just knew you'd have to get in a political bash the war post in a totally unrelated thread. You've re inforced my faith in you, my friend.
I guess this post is a 'filler', due to the fact that you can't say anything about my proposal, right?

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No "company" is on the hook for USF...CONSUMERS are. Consumers are the ones paying the bills.

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screw that....until the government fixes it's problems then they get no more money. Tax VOIP providers when you've figured out where the rest of the money you extort from us is going.
Zoder

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Miami, FL
Nice try but not quite accurate. Astroturfers try to hide where their funding is coming from and pretend to be grassroots.

Pulver's blog tells you exactly who Berninger works for and his history with voip.

Transmaster
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Re-election grease the palm fund (RGTPF)

Here is how the RGTPF moneys where used on one project at a school here in Cheyenne. This school used the money to wire the whole building to cable TV to the tune of several 100 thousand dollars. This is great except for the fact, the local cable company had already wired the building for this same thing a couple of years before as part of the CableCo's educational TV in the schools program. A great program where the cable industry wired school for free. Said cable company got the contract to re-wire the school. So in a since they where paid back for what they did a few years earlier. Nothing wrong with this of course from the point of view of the CableCo they would have been foolish to not bid for the contract. But the money was wasted it could have been used else where in another school out in in Laramie county that had not been wired up yet.
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Re: Re-election grease the palm fund (RGTPF)

When did the cable co's start doing this? Back in the early 90's, a few friends & myself spent a month pulling RG-6 throughout our school. Worked our rather well too -- the teachers often would put on MTV late in the day when they didn't feel like teaching. Gotta love MTV Spring Break.

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said by Transmaster See Profile :

Here is how the RGTPF moneys where used on one project at a school here in Cheyenne. This school used the money to wire the whole building to cable TV to the tune of several 100 thousand dollars.
That amount of money spent on wiring for just TV seems a little excessive.
This is great except for the fact, the local cable company had already wired the building for this same thing a couple of years before as part of the CableCo's educational TV in the schools program.
Beyond that, a lot of middle and high schools (more in the South, fewer in the Northeast and West) got wired for cable for free way back when, when Channel One came out.

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Re: Re-election grease the palm fund (RGTPF)

said by roamer1 See Profile :

That amount of money spent on wiring for just TV seems a little excessive.
The grant money included running network cables as well as new computers. and to change out the excisting coax for the TV systems.
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said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

Daniel Berninger joined Tier1 Research in August 2004 as Senior Analyst covering telecom. Daniel has over a decade of experience that includes helping to launch three prominent VoIP startups - ITXC, Vonage, and Free World Dialup.
Sounds to me like astroturfing by a VOIP bought and paid for consultant who is lobbying Congress on behalf of Vonage. That makes some of his assumptions subject to doubt.
And exactly how is it astroturfing? Let me give you an example: astroturfing is when you defend cable co's and big businesses and the Mgihty Freak's interests at all costs while you never reveal your close ties to these businesses, posing as 'independent' voice - this is astrotufing.

However this guy shows his ties clearly - it's called "full disclosure" in journalism and I guess you haven't heard it 'cause it's a very unlikely act in Red circles...
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regardless of his motives, he lays out a fairly damning case for reforming the USF, BEFORE IT WASTES ANY MORE MONEY.

and zoder is right: if someone is honest about their association with an issue, it's not astroturfing.
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USF and E-rate

My $.02
I'm sure there are plenty of horror storys out there, but I would just point out that there are plenty of rural school districts who depend on E-rate to help provide the small amount of telecom services they do have. I currently live in an area where the entire school district uses 1 t-1 for internet, and shares that among the different schools in the district, including outlying areas. They also have a minimal amount of pots service. You know why they aren't gaming the system? Because they can barely afford the 10% that they pay for what they have, much less order new or advanced infrastructure and services.

As far as being an ILEC slush fund, my understanding is that 3 state, Alabama, Mississippi and West Virginia recieve over 80% of the money for rural telecom deployment. I'm sure that much of that goes to Independant telcos, as opposed to RBOCs. I know that an Independant I worked for in Utah got a good chunk of their money from USF, and they have grown to depend on it. However, they do have pretty good rural service (they run fiber to RTs all over the place). If things were as many advocate here, meaning market based unregulated competition and no USF, Joe Farmer out in the hinterland would have to pay hundreds of dollars month for telecom services, while taking all the risk in his fields in order to put food on the nations tables. Anyone who thinks RELIABLE telecom services in rural areas can be provided inexpensively has never worked telecom (or cable, for that matter) in a truly rural area. And Joe Farmer can't move into town.

So before more people start screaming because the pay an extra $.50 a month to USF, tell me how to fix these issues, and I'll listen. If the USF and E-rate distrubution method needs fixing and oversight, fine. But just wholesale dismantling isn't the way to go.

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thebulldan

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E-Rate

We are a semi-urban suburban school district where I work in a depressed area. Without E-Rate we wouldn't have jack.

We use E-Rate moneys for ISP bills (not some T1 line, rather a 30 mbps symmetrical fiber line and it is not through an RBOC), switches, wireless gear, etc.

Due to our leverage of E-Rate money, we have one of the most advanced infrastructures in the Delaware Valley.

Just because a bunch of people can't do the right thing, doesn't mean that the E-Rate portion of the tax is useless.
stevephl

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Re: E-Rate

What you mean is that you work in an area where the residents didn't have the fore thought to see the changing market place, learn new skills and re-invent themselves so they sit around complaining all of the time and do nothing and we are suppose to give up our hard earened money to them, I don't think so.
If I loose my job and cannot afford to pay the bills out goes the telco services with Internet plain and simple.
These people need to learn the same lesson and then become proactive and make changes in their life styles, find out what business are profitable and go for it.
thebulldan

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Re: E-Rate

I agree with the lack of poor planning from a municipal standpoint. Our District consists of a borough and 2 townships. The townships are relatively ok - based off of educational level, income, etc - but the borough is a tough situation.

We have a slew of immigrants (illegals mostly) who are living multiple families in single family homes. The property tax base is horrible. Many hard working individuals are forced to pay ridiculous property taxes just to subsidize the immigrant populations.

Maybe you haven't heard about the genius plan called No Child Left Behind that our good friend GW put into place. Teachers are now forced to use many online resources in order to teach kids to take tests.

I agree with your point in regards to if on a personal level we couldn't afford it, then out the window Internet would go, but this is not personal, it is public sector. Totally different than the private world!

Understanding the ridiculous standards (every child will be 100% proficient in math and reading by 2014) that our government has placed upon the public school systems shows why some of these organizations must use public funds to subsidize technology in the schools.

As for those school districts that have abused E-Rate, well shame on them, but at my place of work, it has been a great benefit.
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July 22nd, @09:29PM

said by stevephl See Profile :

These people need to learn the same lesson and then become proactive and make changes in their life styles, find out what business are profitable and go for it.
Talk to me when you hit 50-55 or so and instead of planning for your retirement you are desperately trying to avoid bankruptcy, trying to learn new skills, and interviewing for a new job because your employer packed up and left with no warning. You can't move because 80% of the town is now unemployed, and no one can afford buy your house (which is due to go to foreclosure next week, BTW).

Or, talk to me when "life issues", maybe grave illness or death in the family have saddled you with responsibilities such that it's all you can do to keep going day to day and there is no chance for long-range planning or savings.

If you've faced either of these situations (or others too numerous to mention), then come back and tell me how easy it is to plan ahead. Until then, please study up on compassion and leave your attitude at home.
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Sandwich Isles Communications

Sandwich Isles Communications is receiving 400 million
in USDA RUS loans that will be repaid by USF. Your tax dollars
are hard at work to wire 69 DHHL subdivisions statewide in Hawaii.

»www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/···9-1.html
»the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic···03p.html
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Does no one on BBR have internet access?

USF

Top 3 States for Q1 2006:
TX - 55m
MS - 53m
KS - 46m

For fun..

An analysis of the distribution in MS is as follows:
Total Distribution: 53.9 M
To small telephone companies: 6.9 m (13%)
To big telephone companies: 31.9 m (53%)
To wireless carriers: 15.0 m (28%)
To "real clecs" : .81 m (0%)

"Big": Companies:
Bell South (the new ATT): 27.0m
Alltel : 2.2m
Century : 2.0m

Wireless (yes, cell phone providers):
Cellular South : 10.8m
RCC Communications : 1.8m
Centennial : .6m
Sprint Nextel : 1.0m
ATT wireless : .9m

As far as HI, it gets a little more interesting:
Total HI Q1 06: 10m
Distribution:
Sandwich Isles: 4.8m
NPCR : 4.5m

Sandwich Isles Telco: 1355 access lines
Sprint/Nextel : 1202 cell customers
i.e. Sprint/Nextel is pulling in 4.5m per quarter for
1202 cell phones

Bottom line, none of this is top secret....
»www.usac.org/about/governance/fc···ult.aspx

For some additional fun, take a look at the number of cellular lines compared to land lines

The way it works:

Local Telcos get support based on their "regulated costs".
"Competitors" get support on a per line basis equivalent to
the local telco they are competing with.

We all know family plans now mean everyone has a phone, as
opposed to the household getting a second line...

Voila..instant cash flow! If a household has 3 phones, the
Cellular Company recieves the same support per line that the
telephone company receives x 3...go figure.

Some of you folks need to do some exploring before spouting off

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Re: Does no one on BBR have internet access?

said by xsiddalx See Profile :

Some of you folks need to do some exploring before spouting off
I've been fighting Sandwich Isles project from 2002 until 2004. Thus I know what I'm talking about. It is a blantant
waste of taxpayer dollars to wire only Hawaiian Homelands
area.

»www.the-catbird-seat.net/SandwichIsles.htm
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Re: Does no one on BBR have internet access?

I didn't mean you specifically!

I recall seeing your web site quite some time ago
when I noticed what SI was pulling in from USF...
nice summary!

I still stand by the position that the point of
the fund is to provide service where it doesn't
exist. Apparently VZ wasn't willing, nor was the
HI puc willing, to mandate basic telephone service
to those islands. On the other hand, we should be
jealous, everyone on this board is so enthralled
with VZ doing fiber to the home...when SI is doing
it quietly (and yes VZ recieves quite a few subsidies
as well).

On another note....I am amazed at some of the idiotic
things that come out of the mouth of Al Hee...I'm guessing
he is a well connected gentleman that can afford to make
dumb statements about "financing a CLEC with USF money
before anyone figures it out"...if I recall correctly,
the article was titled Flying High or something in Forbes.

Bottom line, if we took out SI and Sprint from the fund,
it won't save much at this point.

Thanks for keeping your page up!! It's a rare treat these
days.
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Re: Sandwich Isles Communications

The odd part of the story is that your telephone company
was purchased by the Carlyle Group (come to your own
conclusions: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group)
Wiki's ain't generally accurate...imo

When Sandwich Isles started up...Verizon was not willing
to build out there.

One Mr William Kennard, as FCC Head approved the SI application to be a local telco in that area.

Mr Kennard later went on to the Carlyle Group, which
no long after purchased the Verizon property and renamed
it HI Telecom or something similar.

The fantastic part is that Kennard's company actually went
after the FCC for incorrectly allowing SI to be deemed a
telephone company. Yep...they hired the guy that they
wanted to blame for screwing up... go figure.

The 400m will not be paid by USF, however, USF was
a figure in determining the ability to repay the loan.
Generally speaking, revenues will come from retail
customers, wholesale customers and usf, in theory.

If SI receives 4.5 m per quarter, and didn't have any
other source of revenue aside from USF, it would take
them 22.25 years to repay from the USF, using simple
non-finance math.

Although I think the SI funding is insane, the wireless
company funding is crazier....certainly the former's
network is much more expensive than the latter's. Hopefully
cell service is free on the islands...it would be the least
the cell provider could do

Bottom line, everything comes back to societal values
of connecting everyone to the communications
infrastructure. Apparently, due to the lack of Verizon
building out there...it took the lure of USF to get
SI to create a company to serve the area...ain't the
the point of USF "accountability"?

Konaguy
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Actually the website I cited (The Catbird Seat), has no affliation with me.But I've contributed material to the site in question though.

As far as my reading on the 400 million dollar USDA RUS
loans, they will be indeed be repaid by the USF.

»www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stor···y72.html
Sandwich Isles is in the process of building a $400 million fiber-optic network that would link dozens of parcels of Hawaiian Home Lands statewide. Most remain uninhabited due to a lack of critical infrastructure. The project is being built with loans from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities service fund that are being paid back in part through money from the Universal Service Fund.

»starbulletin.com/2002/06/04/news/story2.html

The financing includes $400 million in loans from the U.S. Agriculture Department's Rural Utilities Service and perhaps another $100 million from unnamed "private investors."

Most of the federal loan will be paid off by another federal agency, the Federal Communications Commission, through the Universal Service Fund, administered by the National Exchange Carriers Association

»the.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic···07a.html

The Forbes article you cited was titled "Dreaming and Scheming, Hawaiian Style."

Al Hee is a really politically connected individual. His younger brother is a State Senator .
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Hee
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