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IN Vilseck Germany
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clubs:  | Who cares Well i guess some people do care very much about this, but i would gladly give up my copper in order to get the fios | |
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Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | Re: Who cares I prefer to keep my copper phone. But since I can't get DSL (~20k feet), I'd gladly give it up for the glass.
If DSL were available, I'd probably want to keep it alongside the FiOS so I could have redundancy. | |
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Badasses Fight For Freedom
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| Re: Who cares it's not really a big deal, most houses are wired with a minimum of 2 phone lines. When you get fios just tell them to connect only one of the ports and the other will remain as copper.
In my case, my second line is fiber and my main line is still copper.
Problem solved.
Now, how difficult was that?
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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Corona, CA | Re: Who cares According to DSL Extreme (at least as posted by the GM in the DSLx forum), Verizon is doing reseller agreements for FIOS. | |
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Slidetbone
Mazin Go
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join:2002-11-10
Land O Lakes, FL
| Independent DSL providers? Ummm...Verizon owns the switches. You can get VOL for cheap or pay more for another provider, which will use Verizon's DSL network...thats it.
Fios, for the bandwidth to pricing ratio is a better deal than DSL hands down. Plus, there is not 3 mile limitation.
The people complaining are looking for the $15-$17 DSL deal for pocket savings. It never became an issue before the cheap packages came to be. In fact, Verizon was losing money on $30 DSL before they lowered the pricing. Remember the closed CO posts? | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Re: Who cares Around here, at least, you can request that your copper not be disconnected when they come to install to your house. I don't know if they've changed this policy recently however. | |
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join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
| If there is no competition is it possible that the Communist of Massachusetts (oops sorry, Commonwealth of Massachusetts)will sit by and let a big company do that. No way. They will regulate it and force Verizon to provide the pipe and let others sell the service.
The hard part will be the fact that it is costing almost $1000 per house to hook up (on top of the $1000 to go by the house).
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Stacked.
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Orange, CA
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| Who Cares?
Not you maybe... you will probably be happy with the fiberstrand coming in your house.
But then you get a great job offer and you move out of town. And the little old lady that buys your house has more then enough with the $19,95 DSL offer that gives her 384 kbit/s down and 128 kbit/s up because she doesn't need any more then that.
And then she finds out she can't get DSL and will have to pay $34.95 a month for FIOS internet.
Solution? Offer a "cheap" FIOS package that gives 1 Mbps down, 256 Up or something like that for those who want to go back to the cheap pricing of DSL after buying a house that is fibered up already. Not everyone needs FIOS high speed, and people certainly don't want to pay for it.
Also, even though you can hook up your regular old phones to your FIOS connected house.... can you even use dialup still?
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join:2004-10-26
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·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Re: Who cares Of course you can. (In response to: can you even use dialup still?) You could even use dialup over Vonage if you wanted to. Of course it might be a little sketchy depending on your quality of service.
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join:2006-07-19
| I do. I did not have power for 16 hours since yesterday after the storm, and only because Verizon (Fios internet service) removed my copper line, I lost my emergency phone option when power is down for more than 4-6 hours. (Besides, my cellphone is working sporadically there too, and can not be charged without power). I demanded my phone line back! Verizon said: "manager will call you back. we are not saying it is impossible, but it will be a long process". Be aware of Verizon Fios cutting your emergency phone line. | |
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join:2006-02-22
Oyster Bay, NY
| Re: Who cares I had much worse reliability with old copper lines in my area that VZ refused to replace than with any Fiber issues (including blackouts). Get an APC battery backup and you will always have a source of power... Better yet, chain them together OR only turn it on when necessary.
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join:2006-07-20
Erie, PA
| Good to know that Verizon would, by default, remove the copper for FiOS - especially considering that fact that doing so is not technically neccesary!
Verizon, in my experience, does "sneaky" things like this to discourage competition.
(I once had DSL at a distance so far from the CO that I could only get it after an expansion.)
I'd been very pleased with every aspect of every Verizon service I've ever had, and their customer service had always been top notch, and quite knoledgable. So, I was horrified to discover quite the opposite in their DSL-home technical support. So bad was it that I had to use people in the DSL Sales office to intervene on my behalf.
Finally, one day, after a rude, stupid, snotty DSL tech support person got on my last nerve, I screamed at them to disconnect it altogether - which they were thrilled to do for me. In fact, it was the quickest thing they'd ever done.
They seemed happy to be rid of me as a DSL customer. But, after a few months of dial-up, when I went to get DSL from another provider (i.e. a reseller like Covad, or even Earthlink), every one of them said that it wasn't available at my address. I even tried neighbor's addresses, and it was available to them.
As a result of having been a previous Verizon DSL customer, they, somehow, blocked the availability of my DSL to any provider.
The issue of pulling copper for FiOS, without asking nor telling, seems to be a similar tactic on the part of Verizon.
Of course, FiOS is preferable to DSL, or even cable. (I wish I didn't live in an area that isn't going to get it until well after my death.) Yes, lack of copper could, theoretically be compensated for with cell phones, UPS's, back-up generators, and maybe some sort of radio controlled microwave link-up for one's alarm system. (Cost is no object, right?)
The primary point, however, seems to be this: removal of copper/POTS is not technically neccesary for fiber/FiOS service - thus leaving it's only possible justification being that of Verizon roadblocking potential competition.
As to the issue that copper/POTS trunks being replaced by fiber ones, that issue seems several decades away because of technical, regulatory, and economic issues. (This is akin to the outmoding of NRSC-TV for HDTV, originally scheduled for 2005.) The greater liklihood of a World War and/or Great Depression would push that transition time even further away. (Then the Y2K38 bug pushes it further.)
Regardless, systems that are currently dependant on copper/POTS would already be up to speed by the time fiber/FiOS (and VoIP, for that matter) is popular enough to warrant it. | |
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Support The Clecs
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Duluth, GA | Re: Who cares And when Verizon jacks the price up high enough for you to want to move back to DSL with a competitor (LOL), what will you do then?
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SexaT duorP
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clubs: | Re: Who cares hop onto cable? I'm sorry, i just can't empathize with people who would rather have 150 year old technology in their basement than fiber. | |
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Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | Re: Who cares Because there is a guanantee that cable will be any better or cheaper. Come on guys, that is NOT a viable strategy.
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11
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| Re: Who cares There's no guarantee that your mythic alternative DSL provider will be any better or cheaper either.
Live in the real world.
People bitch whine and moan about not having fiber and then when they get it, they bitch whine and moan about not having copper?
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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clubs: | Well lets see if they raise there rates ABOVE cables rates then you switch. Other wise dont bitch because its cheeper and its way better then any tiers they cable companys want to shoot out in most areas. | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Who cares Of course there's no guaranteeing their new house will even be close enough to the CO to be eligible for DSL. Most people don't move depending on the broadband available. Also, at those speeds, dial-up is a decent alternative.
Plus, as I said before, you should be able to request that they leave the copper connected to your house. That's how they've been doing it in Mass; unless they've changed their policy recently. I called and checked because I live in a split house with my Grandmother-in-law and I doubt she would be interested in Fios (seeing as how she doesn't own a computer). | |
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What? You Say It's Fixed. Hah
join:2001-11-29
Cyberspace
·Embarq
| $14.95 xDSL? Most locations around the country can't even get xDSL. Fiber would be a welcome relief from the $65+/mth rate Comcast charges for the lowest tier (Includes mandated CATV) or not even being in the Verizon access.
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join:2005-11-25
Fort Worth, TX | Re: Who cares e-mail and 5 websites a day they visit
You need netzero free dial up if this is all you do... | |
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BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA
| said by ieolus  :And when Verizon jacks the price up high enough for you to want to move back to DSL with a competitor (LOL), what will you do then? move back to cable.
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join:2006-02-25
Pittsburgh, PA
| The CLECs, who have had 5 or 10 years to build their own networks, can provide that service on the copper networks the should have been building. Or on their own network of fiber, coax, straw spun into gossamar, or whatever. If FiOS ever becomes too expensive (doubtful), I'm sure there will always be competition from cable, Wi-Fi or whatever the flavor of the month is. DSL is going the way of buggy whips. Still useful, but the end is in sight. | |
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more cowbell
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join:2005-11-16
Glendale, AZ
·Cox HSI
| It's not about faster internet, it's about Verizon lock-in. If VZ ripped out my copper to replace with FIOS I'd be happy because I would love to have FIOS. But if the copper goes, any chance of getting DSL from VZ or any other reseller becomes impossible. Your choices for terrestrial HSI will then be Verizon or $incumbent cable monopoly. Good for Verizon but bad for consumer choice.
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join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | Re: Who cares You can always try and get wireless or cable. It appears it's Verizon's copper so they can tear it out if they want. | |
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stomp357
join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA
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| I'm all for change, but this doesn't sit that well with me. I'm on a tight budget, and only have so much to put towards internet (I'm almost at my max with BS 3.0 DSL). Let's say Verizon was here, and I decided to get their lowest priced tier (think it is priced around what I pay now for BS). Most user are gona go for the higher tiers, so Verizon decides to do away with the lowest price tier to get users to adopt the more expensive. Now I can't afford that, so I'd rather go back to the slower, but priced in my budget DSL. However, I now can't, and have to settle for unreliable cable... If it's offered in the area. What about phone service? If they rip out the copper, and only fiber is there, if you don't have internet, can you still have reliable home phone service? | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | Re: Who cares Cry me a river.. | |
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join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA | Re: Who cares said by rachelsfx :Cry me a river.. I crap you one! | |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
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2 edits | said by stomp357 : I'm all for change, but this doesn't sit that well with me. I'm on a tight budget, and only have so much to put towards internet (I'm almost at my max with BS 3.0 DSL). Let's say Verizon was here, and I decided to get their lowest priced tier (think it is priced around what I pay now for BS). Most user are gona go for the higher tiers, so Verizon decides to do away with the lowest price tier to get users to adopt the more expensive. Now I can't afford that, so I'd rather go back to the slower, but priced in my budget DSL. However, I now can't, and have to settle for unreliable cable... If it's offered in the area. What about phone service? If they rip out the copper, and only fiber is there, if you don't have internet, can you still have reliable home phone service? You can still have home phone service. Anyways, why would Verizon drop the lowest tiers? Look at *EVERY OTHER SERVICE*. Roadrunner has their lowest tier 768/128 service. How many users hop onto the higher priced RR Premium? I know that even most speed enthusiasts in this very forum don't spend the extra $20-40/mo for RR premium, so what makes you think that people are going to flock to the higher priced services on FIOS (their lowest tier is faster than RR's fastest, for example).
Verizon has no reason to cut its tiers, and you know that. Hell, there was just a news post in the past couple days about how in a number of markets VZ is already upgrading the speed without a price hike.
said by maartena :There are PLENTY of people who don't need fast internet. Their 768/128 internet connection is all they need for the e-mail and 5 websites a day they visit. Try telling someone that just bought a new house and want to move their $14,95 DSL over to their new house only to find out that the previous owner put down FIOS fiber, and now the cheapest option is $34,95, a difference of $20 a month. And Cable is not any cheaper either. Cable can be cheaper. RRLite is $24.95. That's cheaper than $34.95. But frankly, as has been mentioned before, there is no obligation that you have DSL. Would you feel better if you were in my dad's situation and had copper to your home, but were 25000 feet from the CO, unable to get DSL, and with no Cable internet, but in the middle of a metropolitan center (Manchester, TX)? God forbid, you'd have to pay $40/mo for a phone line and a dialup connection! If you were in that situation, then FIOS sure would look like a damn bargain, now wouldn't it?
Not everyone can get $14.95 DSL in the first place, and nothing is stopping VZ or ATT from hiking that price back up to $29.99 besides the competition of cable. It's not a birthright to have cheap DSL (which isn't so cheap when you have to get a phone line too).
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Philadelphia, PA
·Speakeasy
| Except this isn't a technological issue, it's a legal one. By law, the telco's must make their copper lines available to the likes of Covad et. al. Not so with the new fiber infrastructure. Every copper line that gets cut brings us one step closer to the Comcast/Verizon duopoly. | |
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Earth
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join:2005-09-21
Bethel Park, PA | Re: It's all FUD!!! Most relevant thing I've seen in this discussion. | |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
1 edit | Now it's my turn
...to make the following comments:
--DSL is not a god-given right,
--its a luxury,
--Verizon has no obligation to give it to you,
--If you want DSL (again), move to some place where you can get it,
--Look, Verizon is in business to make money,
--if they don't want to maintain copper that they own,
-- and don't want to worry about being forced to lease it to CLEC's, it's their right
If these are valid reasons to give to rural and small-town folk when they complain about lack of broadband, then they're valid for city-slickers, too | |
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jsnwtlr
Premium
join:2004-12-16
Carrollton, TX | There's no way I would go back to 768 kbps DSL. I'm beginning to think that 6 Mbps cable would be too slow but that would be the only conceivable substitute for me. | |
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join:2006-07-08
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·Charter Pipeline
| "Oh, right. I forgot to mention the NID box is basically in our backyard with two Dobermans,", I work at a title company and most of my work consists of finding where utility lines rn across property. If they have an easement running through your backyard they can put the nid box anywhere along it. If it is not within the boundraies of where they have rights to they can't put it there. | |
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join:2000-11-28
16465
| I could care less. Take the copper, scrap it, make some more money at this point. Besides, all of the toys and techie things I have now I figured I might as well get me a generator too. Back-up battery ...NO Problem.
Is 7500 watts enough o run the NID?
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Re: What if you move out? said by keyboard5684 :Depends on the person buying your house. If someone was looking for a home and saw that regular old phone service was not available and the only option was the more expensive Fios solution what position does that put them in? Regular old telephone service is still available, it's just the house wiring terminates at the ONU on the side of the house. If that's all you pay for, fine; they just don't turn on the FIOS service.
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And why in the hell is Verizon getting away with eliminating CLECs? Rip it out so we do not have to sell the copper lines to anyone else.
Duh, that's exactly why they're doing it. They argue that if Covad or any other CLEC wants to serve you, they can run their own d*mn copper.
If you don't like it, you can join Covad in their complaints to the FCC, but don't expect must sympathy from them. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: What if you move out? "Duh, that's exactly why they're doing it. They argue that if Covad or any other CLEC wants to serve you, they can run their own d*mn copper."
Why go through so much effort when the court already ruled they didn't have to share their lines anymore? | |
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whfsdude
Premium
join:2003-04-05
Washington, DC
| Re: What if you move out? said by fiberguy :Why go through so much effort when the court already ruled they didn't have to share their lines anymore? Because the courts still mandate that they provide a dry pair. So basically line-sharing is being phased out. Hence Covad's voice+ADSL2 service.
The thing is fiber means that they also don't have to provide a dry pair. So that kills every CLEC provided DSL or pots. | |
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Paralyzed By Confusion
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join:2001-12-23
Windsor, CT
·AT&T Yahoo
| The techonology is changing, we need to change with it. I'd welcome FiOS in a heartbeat. A friend of mine down in Texas has it, and he never looked back. The NID is all ready for plugins to voice, data, video. With a little tweaking, the connection flew real close to advertised, no PPOE overhead.
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danny9894
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join:2004-03-05
Minneapolis, MN | Re: Time To Move On I myself don't see a reason to stick with dsl but to each his/her own. | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
1 edit | I think Verizon wants it cake and to eat it to.
I think that this will ultimately put Vz under fire with the PUC or the Feds.
First, they want their Fios service to be classified as an information service such as cable and free from certain rules. However, they are also an incumbant provider and are required to deliver "copper service" to the area they serve by law.
When they pull the copper in place of fiber, they are in a way, no longer serving their legal obligations.
So, I think it would be up to VZs best interest to not pull the copper out and not allow people to go back. By not doing so, I am willing to bet that their sacred and protected fiber service will come under the same rules of that as their copper service.
Maybe they should just sell of the copper business and get into a fiber only service.
But, IMHO, who would want to go back to copper anyway? Other than a price break.. then again, if VZ wants to pull out the copper, they should at least offer something comparable for those wanting to go back. It's also my understanding that even if someone else moves in to a place that was Fios served, their only choise is Fios too.. for some, it means a higher bill.
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join:2005-07-16
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| At the least they could still do is attach the phone line to the NID Box so when the power goes out and the power supply is dead I can still make phone calls.
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GlennAllen
join:2002-11-17
Richmond, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Well, let's see... what do we know (with no supposition that this is everything)?
1) The "copper" belongs to Verizon, not to the customer (aka "you").
2) FiOS is Verizon's replacement for copper, not an add-on (so, at some point, Verizon may decide to eliminate any and all support for copper at the CO, even if some CLEC might want to "purchase" it).
3) You are not required to subscribe to FiOS.
4) You are not required to purchase any service from Verizon [directly].
5) It is possible, for the moment, to subscribe to FiOS through Verizon and keep the copper for phone service and/or DSL through some CLEC ("or" meaning if your chosen CLEC offers naked DSL), presuming probably that you switch to the CLEC before ordering FiOS.
6) There will likely be alternative technology at some point in the not too distant future.
Which do I prefer [at the moment]: copper or fiber? The cheapest alternative that still provides me with the speed--which isn't my number one consideration--and reliability--which is my number one consideration--I want. Right now, that's clearly FiOS, for me anyway. (And I've been very happy with my DSL.) FiOS for Internet and wireless for phone: all I need.
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join:2001-02-22
Hauppauge, NY
| VZ isn't dumb. The less copper means less repair men, splicers, cable maintenance employees, etc. Also less taxes they have to pay for the copper cables on the poles. "It's not personal Sonny, it's strictly business."
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220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA
·Verizon FIOS
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1 edit | Re: So long Copper! you're spot on with that comment. less employees mean more money they dont have to pay and can give ivan more ivory backscratchers. ahhh but the rub is, when those main fiber lines go down in sotrms and such, it could potentially mean 1000's of people out of service instead of dozens or hundreds. then they will just sub out the work like theyre doing in some places now.
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join:2004-11-26
America
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"If someone was looking for a home and saw that regular old phone service was not available and the only option was the more expensive Fios solution what position does that put them in?"
EXACTLY! ..And to add to that, what if their fancy fiber based phone is more expensive, and doesn't get 911 quite right like another poster here was talking about???
...I'm all for using the fiber for internet, maybe some TV, and a phone, but WHY should they HAVE TO rip out perfectly good copper wire that should STILL be able to be hooked up to a standard telephone???
What about power outages? How long does a regular phone stay functional (on avg. of course) compared to a FIOS telephone setup??? THAT should be the real question.
Anybody with half a brain cell would rather have FIBER for internet/video (and maybe phone?) but what is the direct comparison, ESPECIALLY in emergency situations, to standard landline copper based TELEPHONE???
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join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD
| It is a better technology. I for one would never go back to copper. I can't believe you are bitchin about what might happen. Verizon might raise the rates on FIOS...Cable might raise rates...You might hit the lottery...And your point is what? You are the same people that bitched when they were told they couldn't use their rabbit ears anymore. Besides you can always go back to Dial-up.  | |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
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join:2001-02-07
Vallejo, CA
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1 edit | More people are worrying about what happens instead of just dealing with it. If you can already afford FIOS, you most likely have a cell phone and a dead phone should be the least of anyone's worries. In the last 6 months, my power has gone out for a couple of hours with my phone going out as well. I have a cell phone if I need to make calls. Things will happen and you can't always prevent your world from turning upside down.
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You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| said by KrazyDawg :A reason why FIOS is removing copper is so they don't have to pay the costs associated with maintaining copper lines. Brilliant statement.
A) Verizon is removing copper, not FIOS.
B) I know I've only been at this networking thing for about 18 years now and all... but fiber is much more expensive to run and maintain than copper.
B-1)And to phrase it more appropriately. NEW fiber costs tons more to maintain than existing copper.
C) It costs NOTHING to leave old copper connected when you install fiber.
This is about eliminating competition.
Make the physical network shared. Then let Verizon get their asses in line with the rest of the chumps to provide us with telecom services. No preferential treatment. No monopoly.
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join:2001-10-13
North East, MD
| Re: Not a problem B) I know I've only been at this networking thing for about 18 years now and all... but fiber is much more expensive to run and maintain than copper.
Been doing OSP construction for 30 yrs, Fiber is easier and cheaper
B-1)And to phrase it more appropriately. NEW fiber costs tons more to maintain than existing copper.
Wrong again, fiber needs no maint other then enviormental issues. Changes in bandwidth/users is electronics | |
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@rr.com
| We all want are Fiber, not copper. The idiot's that are bent out of not being able to get copper back after fiber was installed need to get a clue and get a Cellphone. Its a wonderful invention that lets you talk to people without a wire, or are they too scared of having anything futuristic. | |
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| madrhino
join:2004-07-03
·Verizon FIOS
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2 edits | Re: No One Cares!!! said by NXds :
We all want are Fiber, not copper. The idiot's that are bent out of not being able to get copper back after fiber was installed need to get a clue and get a Cellphone. Its a wonderful invention that lets you talk to people without a wire, or are they too scared of having anything futuristic.
You gonna teach my 78 year old stroke victim diabetic father to use a cell phone that is so small he can barely see it?
Verizon has the social responsibilty of Kim Jong-il.
said by wev567 :Maybe keep a separate copper POTS line with Verizon, just for incalls? Or never go to FiOS at all? Verizon won't let you have a POTS line on a property that has FIOS(in Maryland that is,in some states they allow it) | |
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| | MrBroadband
Premium
join:2006-02-22
Oyster Bay, NY
| Re: No One Cares!!! said by madrhino
You gonna teach my 78 year old stroke victim diabetic father to use a cell phone that is so small he can barely see it?
Verizon has the social responsibilty of Kim Jong-il. [/BQUOTE :Fearless Kim would just have your Dad shot... At least your dad gets a son capable of making grandiose exagerations. | |
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lettcco
join:2003-12-04
Valencia, CA | it's these small percentage of whiners that ruin everything. Sell your house to someone who appreicates technology and go find a cave to live in. | |
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| stonecolddsl
Linux Junkie
join:2004-01-07
Sarasota, FL | Re: idiots needs to STFU What I dont understand is the people talking about 3rd party dls providers as Verizon has already partnered with there larger resellers to provide 3rd party fios. My Isp Internet Junction (ij.net) provides fios thorugh vz. | |
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MadMANN
Premium
join:2005-08-19 | This is starting to look like a cable forum already. | |
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