Covad Building Out ADSL2+ Network - Gears up to offer 8Mbps ADSL2+ in 8 additional cities

Covad Building Out ADSL2+ Network
Gears up to offer 8Mbps ADSL2+ in 8 additional cities
(old news - 05:05PM Thursday Jul 20 2006)
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Covad today issued a press release claiming that once their latest network upgrades are complete, the company will operate the largest ADSL2+ network in the nation. The latest buildout, predicted to be completed before the end of the year, covers Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Philadelphia, San Diego and Washington, DC. The company says they've pegged Samsung as their latest build-out partner.

Covad and Earthlink have been offering 8Mbps ADSL2+ to in-range (closer than 5,000 feet to the CO) customers in San Francisco, San Jose, Seattle and Dallas. Both have also been offering Covad's line-powered voice technology, which we profiled in previous reports. Many of the technology's early kinks were worked out between Covad technicians and our forum regulars.

These new announcements have done little to impress investors in an incumbent dominated market. Covad's stock has been dipping in late afternoon trading.

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garmst join:2000-09-17 New York, NY	New York City first PLEASE! I'll die waiting for FIOS and I don't care about TV anyway! Pure bandwidth is what I want!
	permalink · 2006-07-20 16:21:00 ·

DonChino join:2005-01-18 Kearny, NJ	New Jersey BEFORE New York City We already pay for the power grid to the Statue of Liberty so we should get FIOS before New York City.... Where is the logic in that? FIOS will probably be too expensive but ADSL2 for 14.99$/month? Sounds good...
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NetFixer Snarl for the camera please Premium join:2004-06-24 Murfreesboro, TN ·Vonage ·Cingular Wireless ·AT&T CallVantage ·AT&T Southeast ·Comcast ·Covad Communications	Re: New Jersey BEFORE New York City Exactly where in the Covad press release did you see any reference to ADSL2 for $14.99 per month? I am a long time user of Covad DSL, and believe me, they don/t offer *any* service for $14.99 per month. -- History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower Test your firewall. Smell the flowers.
	permalink · 2006-07-20 16:44:19 ·

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said by NetFixer

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I am a long time user of Covad DSL, and believe me, they don/t offer any service for $14.99 per month.

Damn straight on that one. Here's hoping that maybe, just maybe, thos oe us in the lower tiers might see a price decrease. Or something.
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permalink · 2006-07-20 16:58:57 · Print ·

kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY ·Packet8	said by DonChino : We already pay for the power grid to the Statue of Liberty so we should get FIOS before New York City.... Where is the logic in that? FIOS will probably be too expensive but ADSL2 for 14.99$/month? Sounds good... 1. It's ADSL2+, not ADSL2. 2. For $14.99/mo the best you will be able to get is 768k/128k ADSL2+...
	permalink · 2006-07-20 17:59:01 · Print ·

kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY ·Packet8	Re: New York City first PLEASE! said by garmst : I'll die waiting for FIOS and I don't care about TV anyway! Pure bandwidth is what I want! Seconded.
	permalink · 2006-07-20 18:46:14 ·

Obliteration Premium join:2005-09-18 Somewhere	Hopefully I can get their service in Chicago soon Wishful hoping but hopefully it comes true.
	permalink · 2006-07-20 17:03:30 ·

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Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment

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Covad's stock has been dipping in late afternoon trading.

The tech sector today dropped about 2%, so the Covad stock drop may not mean much. On the other hand it might mean that Wall St doubts that Covad's investment in the faster technology will have a good ROI. What Covad does in the next few days may tell more about the reaction to the announcement.
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permalink · 2006-07-20 17:25:19 · Print ·

meister_sd Premium join:2006-01-29 La Mesa, CA	Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment Too bad for me Cox cable is still cheaper.
	permalink · 2006-07-20 17:33:56 ·

Sammer join:2005-12-22 Pittsburgh, PA	Closer than 5,000 feet to the CO so not very exciting to many, many people.
	permalink · 2006-07-20 17:57:37 ·

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Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment

said by Sammer

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Closer than 5,000 feet to the CO so not very exciting to many, many people.

5k feet - for what speed?
This is the Nth times I see some type of loose number thrown in...
ADSL2+ (both ITU G992.5 and ITU G992.5M, 1Mb and 3.5Mb up, respectively) simply doubles the 1.1Mhz downstream freq of ADSL2 within 9000 feet.
FYI: IIRC ADSL2+ is capable for ~25Mbit down within 1km or 3300ft, around 18Mbit up to 2km or 6500ft, ~12Mbit up to 2,5km or over 8000ft etc.

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Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment

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said by Sammer

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Closer than 5,000 feet to the CO so not very exciting to many, many people.

He is just quoting what was in the BBR news item for this topic.

Covad and Earthlink have been offering 8Mbps ADSL2+ to in-range (closer than 5,000 feet to the CO)

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permalink · 2006-07-20 18:20:42 · Print ·

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Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment

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said by kamm

said by Sammer

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Closer than 5,000 feet to the CO so not very exciting to many, many people.

He is just quoting what was in the BBR news item for this topic.

Covad and Earthlink have been offering 8Mbps ADSL2+ to in-range (closer than 5,000 feet to the CO)

Ah, I see, thanks. However this 5k still doesn't really make too much sense to me...

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said by TK Junk Mail

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»finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DVW

Covad's stock has been dipping in late afternoon trading.

Wall Street probably realizes the following:

-Covad is (mis)managed, they are truly full of morons and have no real vision for the future. Briefly after their bankruptcy they got rid of a good portion of mid-level do-nothing management and things actually better (than before the bankruptcy or now).

-Covad is just pretending that they will somehow have perpetual access to copper.

-Even after erasing a pile of debt in their bankruptcy they still just burn cash like crazy.
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permalink · 2006-07-21 00:29:01 · Print ·

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Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment

said by sporkme

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Wall Street probably realizes the following:

-Covad is just pretending that they will somehow have perpetual access to copper.

Why wouldn't they?

Good for Covad. I honestly don't know much about their network or management, but it seems like they're trying to do this the right way - differentiated services that the incumbents don't generally offer and a network of their own (at least more than most CLEC-types.)

Adam

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Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment

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said by sporkme

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Wall Street probably realizes the following:

-Covad is just pretending that they will somehow have perpetual access to copper.

Why wouldn't they?

Because in Verizon areas, for example, when Fios is installed they often snip the copper connectors to a house.
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permalink · 2006-07-21 08:33:25 · Print ·

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Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment

Ok. Wasn't sure if he was referring to something physical like that or just implying that the Bells would cut off the CLECs after the UNE rules were relaxed (which hasn't and won't happen.)

I'd imagine that Covad would plan for that situation. Everyone realizes, I think, that "eventually" fiber will be the way to go. For the vast majority of the country, however, that's years down the road.

Adam

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sporkme drop the crantini and move it, sister Premium,MVM join:2000-07-01 Netcong, NJ	Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment said by Alpine : Ok. Wasn't sure if he was referring to something physical like that or just implying that the Bells would cut off the CLECs after the UNE rules were relaxed (which hasn't and won't happen.) It will happen when VZ rolls out fiber and when ATT is feeding everyone from RTs. -- Day dreaming days in a daydream nation
	permalink · 2006-07-21 12:35:02 · Print ·

kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY ·Packet8	said by TK Junk Mail : said by Alpine : said by sporkme : Wall Street probably realizes the following: -Covad is just pretending that they will somehow have perpetual access to copper. Why wouldn't they? Because in Verizon areas, for example, when Fios is installed they often snip the copper connectors to a house. Right and then VZ has to put it back when I will ask for it.
	permalink · 2006-07-21 17:08:50 · Print ·

MHX join:2000-05-24 Los Angeles, CA	Faster speeds in close...what a crock! What's really needed is something to increase the reach of 1500/384 service. That would increase the number of customers and provide a benefit needed far more than 8mbps to a limited number of people.
	permalink · 2006-07-20 20:47:48 ·

envoid join:2002-12-21 Duluth, GA	Re: Faster speeds in close...what a crock! Was thinking along the same lines. They need to figure out a way to get decent speeds at a further distance from the CO (for ADSL/ADSL2/etc).
	permalink · 2006-07-20 23:03:43 ·

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Re: Faster speeds in close...what a crock!

said by envoid

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Was thinking along the same lines. They need to figure out a way to get decent speeds at a further distance from the CO (for ADSL/ADSL2/etc).

Well they already can with Remote Terminals, but they cost alot.

ADSL2 bonds two pairs (because usually every house has one live pair and one unused pair running to their home). All this does is lower the line quality problems with long distance, so those close to the CO can get higher speeds and those far away can get speeds better than before. Those really far away are still limited by the laws of physics, so unless a Remote Terminal is put in close by, they are still out of luck.

permalink · 2006-07-21 01:29:32 · Print ·

Michieru zzz zzz zzz Premium join:2005-01-28 Miami, FL	! I bought my ADSL2+ modem just for this, I am waiting on you Covad do not dissappoint me
	permalink · 2006-07-20 21:27:10 ·

Rob A Jets 19 - Steelers 16 Premium join:2005-01-17 Pompton Plains, NJ	ADSL2+ so why only 8Mbps? Standard dsl can offer 8Mbps at it's max, so why offer the same speed that standard dsl is capable of with adsl2+?
	permalink · 2006-07-21 01:19:47 ·

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Re: ADSL2+ so why only 8Mbps?

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Standard dsl can offer 8Mbps at it's max, so why offer the same speed that standard dsl is capable of with adsl2+?

ADSL2 bonds two pairs, so those close to the CO can get 24 MB/s and those farther out, it will help lower the line stats so they can get something better than 1.5 MB/s bandwidth. Also DSL is limited to 6 Mb/s download and 768 Kb/s upload.

permalink · 2006-07-21 01:26:16 · Print ·

LilYoda Feline with squirel personality disorder Premium join:2004-09-02 Mountains	Re: ADSL2+ so why only 8Mbps? No I believe he's right. All regular ADSL offers here (EU) are up to 8Mbps. I also think that it's 8Mbps of ATM speed, so your actual IP bandwidth might be a bit lower. Not sure about that last part though -- "the two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity." (Harlan Ellison)
	permalink · 2006-07-21 04:22:01 ·

BetaTron Sinz join:2002-08-18 Brooklyn, NY edit: July 21st, @10:02PM	Whatever This isn't exciting news... correct me if I'm wrong but ADSL2+ still has a 1Mbps upload limit. EDIT: Spelling lessons needed =p.
	permalink · 2006-07-21 09:05:24 ·

TIMEZONEC join:2006-01-04	Re: Whatever yes, i would like to know also! thx
	permalink · 2006-07-21 11:29:14 ·

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What sucks is this:

I am at 4400 feet from CO and Covad is in the CO as well as Verizon and others (dont know who)

We have RCN fiber to the basement and Time Warner Cable as well available.

RCN is 10MBPS/800k. If Covad did ADSL2+ at 18MBPS or 24MBPS (due to distance I should be in range for one of those 2 options, not sure if 24MBPS can handle 4400 feet, so it could be 18MBPS) I would switch over depending of course on price. Service availability is a definite due to distance.

I was waiting for Verizon FIOS but that doesnt appear to be happening so ADSL2+ seems like a perfect stopgap measure till FIOS gets here or till another product comes into the marketplace.

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