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| Re: Why? said by Boomerang86 :Very few of them have monthly billing; most are OnStar customers or use a credit card for the occasional emergency call. I believe GM contracts exclusively with Verizon to provide service to On Star subscribers so this shouldn't affect them at all. Verizon and Cingular have roaming agreements in place and I doubt this will affect them either because the rates and terms are already set in the contract.
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| said by insomniac84 :Why would anyone still be using an analog phone? Good point. Cingular is just taking the steps necessary to phase out old systems and equipment. And they are doing it over several years until early 2008. Some users will just not upgrade unless incented to do so.
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Glen Allen, VA
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| Re: Why? said by LiamJunket :said by insomniac84 :Why would anyone still be using an analog phone? Good point. Cingular is just taking the steps necessary to phase out old systems and equipment. And they are doing it over several years until early 2008. Some users will just not upgrade unless incented to do so. I have no problem with them wanting to migrate customers, but I think a carrot is better than a stick when you're trying to KEEP those customers.
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| Re: Why? said by nixen :If they want to "incent", they should offer a basic phone. I gotta think that a free phone is more cost effective than completely giving up a subscriber. Usually, but not always. Some customers generate so little revenue, that billing and customer service costs exceed the income derived. They may not mind those customers departing to a competitor.
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| Re: Why? said by LiamJunket :said by nixen :If they want to "incent", they should offer a basic phone. I gotta think that a free phone is more cost effective than completely giving up a subscriber. Usually, but not always. Some customers generate so little revenue, that billing and customer service costs exceed the income derived. They may not mind those customers departing to a competitor. True. You also have to factor in, "how attractive is a company with 16Mn subscribers versus one with 10Mn subscribers" to potential partner program partners, investors, etc.
If they've got their cell plans structured such that a customer using 0 minutes per month is costing them money, then they've got bigger problems than legacy technology.
Lastly, if the 15%:3% posted in another subthread is accurate, the TDMA users are actually providing a small subsidy to Cingular's bottom line.
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| said by LiamJunket :Some users will just not upgrade unless incented to do so. Well I learned something today  I too thought the meaning of the word "incentive" implied a positive or encouragement to carry out some task. Apparently that's not the case, "incentive" is actually neutral, as is, it can be a positive (the carrot) OR a negative (the big stick) to carry out a task.
So saying Cingular punishes their customers as an incentive to upgrade is actually a correct use of the word, incentive.
But I digress.... I feel they would be better off offering upgrade bonuses before bringing the Punishment out. That just makes customers angry and when they DO upgrade, they will most likely pick a competitor FIRST.
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| said by insomniac84 :Why would anyone still be using an analog phone? Because when I got a cell phone I took the free phone they offered me instead of paying for a better one. I've been too lazy to go back and upgrade.
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1 edit | Back in '97, the corporation I worked for got in a deal with AT&T Business Services that provided employees of this company a sign up deal, 'for life' (..cough.. cough.. ). If we signed up, we got our phones for $14.95 monthly. But, you can't break the contract or the 'life' deal is over.
Mind you, since then.. the contract has gone from AT&T business services, to AT&T wireless division to AT&T wireless, now to Cingular (and I guess back to AT&T Wireless soon).. Moving my account along the way.
I broke my phone last year (3rd time since) and to get a new phone, I'd have to go on a GSM phone since "they no longer provide /those/ phones". Which, would end the contract since it was, according to them, a new contract on a new service.
I said, 'F that'.. and got a new TDMA on Ebay and put it on.
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Let's Rock
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Matawan, NJ
| It's also TDMA phones. This advertising is also misleading. I currently have an old TDMA family plan with 2 phones on it with 45 minutes a month for $30 a month. In the 6 years we have had this plan, we hav gone over the 45 minutes probably half a dozen times. We really only use the phones for emergencies.
To upgrade, I will need a newer phones, which could be free, but the minimun family service plan is $59 a month.
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
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| Is Analog Still Required Out West? I did one cross country trip between 12/2003 and 01/2004 and found that with Cingular, i was SOL without analog when i was in the middle of nowhere in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Texas and Arkansas (I had a GAIT phone at the time).
The most recent trip I did (back in 05/2006) found that I at least had GPRS coverage in most of the above areas. I still had a few outright dead areas in southern TX and northwest Arizona.
It seems that there has been an improvement in digital coverage in these areas. Do people who live there think that analog is still needed?
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join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO
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Please, think of the children who will grow up to be our brave servicemen who will grow old and become our revered senior citizens who will then die and desperately need the estate tax repealed! | |
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Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
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| Re: Why do analog users hate America? said by CrazyFingers :It is your duty as a patriotic American subject to immediately buy the newest version of whatever product/service is offered, regardless of benefit or necessity. This is critical to the USA winning the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, the War on Crime, and the War on Science. Please, think of the children who will grow up to be our brave servicemen who will grow old and become our revered senior citizens who will then die and desperately need the estate tax repealed! LOL... That was actually a good one.  | |
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Hi. Cram It.
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join:2001-06-23
Long Beach, CA | Re: Why do analog users hate America? It is actually not analog people they are punishing, its people using TDMA, which is digital. | |
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Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
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Let's Rock
join:2001-04-25
Matawan, NJ | Re: Why do analog users hate America? No. | |
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join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Uhm.. Has Cingular seen what adding additional fees for older customers does? You know, like AOL's dialup users?
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Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
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Well, it's been quite a few years now and the only reason she kept cingular after it bought Suncom here in Richmond is because she talks like a cheerleader on steroids and she has the old "unlimited" plan from Suncom (I dare not put that woman on a set amount of minutes per month).
The second I see a $5 charge on her bill (I have t-mobile), she's out of there. Unlimited minutes be damned. She'll just have to learn to shut up for a few hours per day.
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Gone Insane
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| Wonder if this counts for GAIT customers? I sure hope not, since that would include me. They took away my insurance in May, not that the primary phone I use is insurable anyway, and I was just paying $3.99 a month for nothing really.
Too bad T-Mobile is useless here, or I'd switch in a heart beat. Sprint sounds better and better all the time...
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Millville, NJ | No, The fee is for TDMA, not AMPS customers. I can almost promise you that AMPS is only about 0.001% of any customers remaining. TDMA customers still make up something like 15% of customers but only 2 or 3% of airtime used on the network. | |
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Rockin' the Boxen
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| Re: No, said by SterlingJ85 :The fee is for TDMA, not AMPS customers. I can almost promise you that AMPS is only about 0.001% of any customers remaining. TDMA customers still make up something like 15% of customers but only 2 or 3% of airtime used on the network. Hmm... If true, that sounds rather stupid, then. If that 15% is consuming disproportionately less airtime than other users, why would you want to put that subsidizing subscriber base ate risk? That would be kind of like an insurance company telling their abnormally low-risk members to leave.
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Obama 2008
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| Re: No, Cingular is using the excuse that the network operations fee of TDMA is increasing. It really isn't, most of the equipment that exists for TDMA shares GSM site assets. The only thing it's really costing Cingular is routine maintenance.
They are charging this fee to try and push as many customers onto GSM as possible. TDMA customers are far less spectrum efficient than GSM, and it takes more resources on the air interface to keep those customers. Plus, it will be less people for them to shift when they shutdown TDMA in 2008. | |
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Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA | Re: No, However, any time you force a customer to "switch", there's at least a 50:50 chance that they WONT switch to another one of YOUR products.
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| Article says.... The article says 92% are on GSM. So that leaves 8% for TDMA. How do you estimate 2-3% of airtime? Just a guess? It might be true as older customers are on legacy contracts (which are probably less minutes), but there are still a lot of TDMA users!
The excuse in the article is TDMA use is now small enough the cost to keep the old network up and running in cost per user is way up vs GSM. | |
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join:2002-01-10
Chicago, IL
| who are these people... who are these people who are always saying cingular service is good? they do in their commercials, saying national surveys say so... what national surveys? I've never met anyone who thought they had good customer service.
cingular has the WORST customer service in the industry. Their reps are so useless, I have to demand a supervisor every time I call them. Then they always transfer you 300 times, and try to say "that's not the right phone number, its this number instead..." . I swear I must have a log of about 30 different phone numbers that were supposedly for the same thing.
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA | I wish I had a bag phone... the kind that just stays in your car? I remember those. | |
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It Is Almost Fast
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since you signed up for X mins at $XX.xx per month for X years.
Now if they just force this stupid fee on you, they will in effect breach the contract and you can take advantage of that fact (legally or otherwise).
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Let's Rock
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There's no way analog towers are going to just die out, but Cingular could offer these people a gsm phone if that's what they're using. Somehow I doubt 4.7 million people on their network use analog exclusively, it's likely tdma. If that's the case, Cingular truly should help their customers out and hook 'em up with a decent phone. | |
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| F Cingular! I've had it w/ Cingular.
First - they sell me a Motorola phone that doesn't even work in my area. They replaced it with the same model - still didn't work. 6 months go by and I call to cancel and want a refund because they failed to provide me with a service that I paid for. They immediately overnighted me a new Nokia.
Well - it worked fine... until it ended up in the washing machine w/ my dirty laundry. So - I go to the cingular store to buy a replacement phone - and I find out that it's $30 cheaper to get out of my contract/cancel than it is to buy a new phone.
So much for customer support and retention.
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This is why:
I've had my service for the past 10 years (on TDMA) when it was originally Cell One, then ATT, then Cingular, and now ATT again. I pay $29.99/month ($34 total with tax/fees) for 900 anytime mins, unlimited night/weekend, unlimited mobile to mobile, free long distance, voicemail, etc. Plus, I'm on a month-to-month contract for the past 2 years. I would happily change to GSM, and even pay for my own phone, if Cingular would offer me a contract with comparable stats for a comparable price... but they can't even come close... 450 mins for $49.95, F that. It's still cheaper for me to pay the extra $5, and I have no issues with TDMA... I'll wait until 2008 when they will probably loose me as a customer. | |
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1 edit | Re: Prepaid Wireless T-Mobile is more expensive for the first year (you have to spend $8.33/mo) however you can then spend as little as $10 per year ($0.83/mo) to keep it active.
Oh.. and no taxes or anything on the minutes like the other companies charge. I use cheapphonecards.com with coupon code cheap (this code does not reference me, I found it on google) and get the $100 card for like $92. | |
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Queen Creek, AZ | Cingular DOES NOT SUCK!!! It Blows, totally different... | |
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Got Sipura?
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join:2002-06-03
Louisiana | TDMA is not Analog folks TDMA is not Analog folks. | |
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