 KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | heh just kill the DRM allready DRM does nothing but make life harder for the honest consumer, and pirates crack it in a week or two anyway.
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 |  King PDon't blame me. I voted for Ron PaulPremium
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| Re: heh just kill the DRM allready said by Kearnstd:DRM does nothing but make life harder for the honest consumer, and pirates crack it in a week or two anyway. Exactly, like the fact that we are purchasing a low qualtiy compressed video file wasn't enough of a restriction. I can't watch it on my HDTV because it will look horrible.
"A company spokesman said tests showed the DVDs worked on "94 percent of DVD players,"
Isn't it said that 85% of statistics are inaccurate?
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| | | | Re: heh just kill the DRM allready 93% of statistics are made up on the spot. | |
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| | | so truth.... look the #s... how much pirate content has been reduced... ZERO%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% And here, the honest people suffering becouse they can not even have fair control over the media in their home devices.. | |
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|  yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | said by Kearnstd:DRM does nothing but make life harder for the honest consumer, and pirates crack it in a week or two anyway. Why nuke the DRM? Your responsibility as a consumer is to refuse to buy their product if you find their business practices distasteful. That's the beauty of having a free market.
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | i dont give them my business, if i really want a movie i drive the 2.5 minutes to the walmart and buy it and im back watching it before a download would be half done.
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| | How long until a new ripper? Since it is possible to play these in some dvd players, how long until someone writes a dvd ripping program to ignore or get around the errors? | |
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| Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Re: How long until a new ripper? -2 years. (as in, it was done two years ago) | |
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| | | There is a technique. Just use a marker and put it on the outer edge of the DVD and bye-bye DRM. 
I don't do illegal stuff, but, when I pay $20 for a DVD, I expect it to play on any DVD player I own.  | |
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join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA | Re: How long until a new ripper? We're back to the whole marker-on-the-outer-track crack? | |
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| | | | This isn't an outer rim thing, it's errors placed throughout the disk. | |
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 TomekPremium
join:2002-01-30
Valley Stream, NY | Quality When I went to the site, I was asked to "upgrade" to IE and then to download WMP 10. Sounds pretty low to me. So I'm forced to watch a movie I paid for on some player I don't like. And then when I burn it, there is a chance it won't work on my DVD player.
I won't even guess how bad is the quality of that thing.
Still, I may just use DVD-decrypter or similar program and manage to rip, it convert to Xvid and enjoy in my MPC.
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Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | YAWN! I'll wait and get these movies from the bargain bin if I really want them.
Then again, I can always just download them without all the BS.
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|  hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
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Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | Re: YAWN! said by dadkins:I'll wait and get these movies the bargain bin if on my fav. P2P client if I really want them. I fix for you
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Tulsa, OK
2 edits | 94% doesn't mean shit if the 6% that don't work are the brands often the most purchased by consumers.
this is like saying 240v appliances work in most countries...well they don't work here!
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join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL | Re: 94% doesn't mean shit said by inteller:if the 6% that don't work are the brands often the most purchased by consumers. this is like saying 240v appliances work in most countries...well they don't work here! LOL. So true. | |
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| yockTFTCPremium
join:2000-11-21
Miamisburg, OH
kudos:3 | said by inteller:if the 6% that don't work are the brands often the most purchased by consumers. this is like saying 240v appliances work in most countries...well they don't work here! They're trying to capitalize on the fact that most people in this country don't understand how significant even 1% is, let alone 6%.
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| | Flux DVD's biggest Flaw ...it can be ripped easily Flux DVD uses CSS as its encryptption scheme once a DVD is burnt and if you rip the DVD at slow speeds the Cinemanow DVD can be ripped using tools like DVD Decrypter .
Flux DVD also takes 4 Hours to Transcode from H.264 to DVD .
Give us Movies encoded in DivX that burn in 10-15 minutes and play on the multitude of DivX Certifed DVD palyers . | |
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| amungusPremium
join:2004-11-26
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| Re: Flux DVD's biggest Flaw ...it can be ripped easily "encoded in DivX"
...and they'd probably look better too.
I for one won't even bother with this madness. Vongo is cool for now, even though you can't "buy" movies, I don't mind. Renting is a good deal for now.
If they want to sell dvd's online, they need to make 'em full quality, or at least high quality (divx, or higher quality windows media) and GUARANTEED to burn correctly!!! | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | they could offer them as ISOs, lots of software can burn ISOs as a proper image. but this will never fly with the MPAA because an ISO is drm free.
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| | amungusPremium
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| Re: Flux DVD's biggest Flaw ...it can be ripped easily "Exactly, like the fact that we are purchasing a low qualtiy compressed video file wasn't enough of a restriction." - King P
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..well, in theory, there could still be DRM on the contents of that .iso itself. you're right though, it'd never fly because it could be burned over and over *gasp*!!!
Of course, the easiest way to solve both sides of the problem would be to price a (downloaded) movie at a reasonable price (even if only rented!) and give the customer as few restrictions as possible.
$5-10 for either full quality or darned good divx at full 720 by whatever resolution, artwork, and bonus junk.
...they would "break" the internet.
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| 1 in 17 does not work? What other businesses find it acceptable that 1 in 17 of the times their product is used, it fails to work? DVDs are a product that should work in any DVD-capable player.
What if your car failed to start in 1 in 17 parking spaces you used?
What if 1 in 17 CDs you bought failed to play?
What if 1 in 17 TVs purchased couldn't play video?
What if light bulbs didn't fit into 1 in 17 sockets?
Any resonsible company would pull the product from the market before there was too much negative publicity. An apology to the customers would also be appropriate.
This company, without remorse, finds it acceptable to sell an intentionally defective product. Not acceptable. | |
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join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA | Re: 1 in 17 does not work? said by riturno:What if 1 in 17 CDs you bought failed to play? That could be lower if the CDs are protected. | |
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2 edits | said by riturno:
What if light bulbs didn't fit into 1 in 17 sockets?
This mention of bulbs reminded me a situation back in the 80's in the Boston area. In a number of low-income housing projects, they had bare-bulb fixtures in all the public hallways. However, they were proprietary; the bulbs looked like ordinary Sylvania 60W's, at first glance, but the screwbase was a fraction of an inch wider in diameter. Hence, they wouldn't fit in household sockets (only the matching fixtures). Remembering that this was low-income housing, there was only one theory I could come up with as to why: They didn't want residents stealing bulbs out of the hallways when they needed them for their apartments.
However, the, "if there's a will there's a way" scenario prevails. After all the fixtures were replaced with fluorescent's, we found a whole case of these bulbs (brand new!) in a dumpster near the projects. It was discovered that we could use these with those old-fashioned socket adapters used to add two outlets. The specific type were those that were of two plastic halves riveted together (leaving a tiny gap down both sides), with the screw threads molded into the plastic. These would expand just enough to allow us to screw in those funky bulbs. | |
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| | Model #'s I'd like them to publicly list all the model numbers for the DVD players that will not work. I've been tempted to download and burn some DVD's, but am unsure if they'll work with a GoldStar GBV441 (which is a generic brand). | |
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 MemphisPCGuySenior Systems EngineerPremium
join:2004-05-09
Memphis, TN
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| +R OR -R I saw no mention of the type. DVD players may or may not accept +r or -r so wouldnt that be an issue on the end users can retify... by trying both types to determine which is required. Even both may be needed if they want to play on different players | |
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| Re: +R OR -R This concept is in it's infancy and there are bound to be glitches. And after all, the DRM issue isn't the fault of CinenaNow. They are forced to use it to be legal and avoid lawsuits.
Yet all I see in this thread is negativity. Why can't you guys give CinemaNow a break and give them a chance? | |
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| | | | Re: +R OR -R Simply because the MPAA spent years looking for pirates instead of solving piracy the right way with R&D into delivering these films to the masses using acceptable pricing levels w/o treating them like the pirates they're hunting. See the logic? | |
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| | | | | Re: +R OR -R But why do that when they can have all these examples of 'failed' attempts at delivery online, and then claim it is not cost effective nor as good all around as delivery via physical media...so they can continue with their tried and true method of selling movies in the stores without having to embrace the pirate filled waters of the internet . I can only imagine what nightmares we will all have once hd-dvd and/or blue-ray become mainstream. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | downloads still have to beat the price and ease of access of going to walmart or circuit city for the DVD itself.
funny thing is the people who would most be able to take advantage of downloading and burning films are the least likely to have broadband. those in rural areas who dont live 5 minutes from a big box store where new releases are 15 bucks.
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| | | | Re: +R OR -R Not to mention vongo which is $10 a month for unlimited movies. | |
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| | | | | Re: +R OR -R Why mess with downloads when there is Netflix. I pay under $20.00 a month and I can average 6 movies a week. I don't have to worry about the MPAA suing me or my ISP hassling me over too much bandwidth usage. Not to mention it is way cheaper then going down to my local rental store. Also since they send you dvd's there is no quality issue unless you get a badly scratch dvd which can happen occasionally. | |
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1 edit | Re: +R OR -R I've never been hassled by an ISP, quite a strange notion.
But in the end, this is like unlimited pay per view for the price of one dvd a month. If you want dvd rips, there is absolutely no need to pay for them. My local library has a bigger selection of dvds than blockbuster and all the newest ones within a month of them coming out. A person can rent 5 movies every day for free. In one week between me and my friend that was over 80 movies. Much better than netflix. If your gonna pay, an unlimited instant service is what you should expect.
Not to make you cry, but you wouldn't see 80 dvds for over a year. | |
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