 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Gas Companies Smart to Avoid This Natural Gas providers already make a pretty penny selling a product using older infrastructure. They enjoy a natural monopoly and steady stream of revenue. Upgrading their infrastructure to provide broadband service not only requires a significant upfront cost in terms of investment, but there is no guarantee that it will actually succeed. -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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 |  | | Re: Gas Companies Smart to Avoid This Sounds like another pipe dream... | |
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 |  |  calvoiper join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA Reviews:
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B-roadband O-ver G-as U-tility S-ervice
...and you thought the Dell laptop batteries were a problem? Wait until the people who can't hook up their WiFi hotspot start trying to fiddle with the gas lines....
calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
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"Honey, could you PLEASE hurry up with cooking dinner and get the kids to stop running the bath.... I've got to get online and you guys are hogging bandwidth"
As for the technology itself... is there anything about the properties of methane that are conductive? How about methane plus an additive? | |
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 |  BIGMIKEPremium join:2002-06-07 Westminster, CA | ya right LOL! Broadband over Plastic Gas Line, I like to see them try to get that to work. -- Type "miserable failure" in Google | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Gas Companies Smart to Avoid This I did not read the source story but what I had in mind was running a fiber cable through existing gas pipes, not transmitting an actual signal through the space inside the pipe as people seem to think here. Did I miss something? | |
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| Re: Gas Companies Smart to Avoid This Uh, yes, you did.
The BiG (or BOGUS) proposals to date don't include fiber. While fiber in the gas pipe might make some sense in more urban environments to get to the building, in more rural or suburban environments it's hard to see the savings vs. burying fiber. Additionally, it would need to be bypassed around valves, meters, etc., which would be quite expensive.
calvoiper -- VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! | |
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 |  |  | | Not all gas piping is plastic. It can be steel pipe, cast iron pipe, corrugated stainless steel tubing, aluminum alloy, copper or brass or plastic (typically thermosplastic). Although it's not the pipe material that matters with this BiG, it's the full spectrum of a radio wave in a closed system for the purpose of data transfer. I'm a plumber/pipefitter, not an EE, but my best friend is and he seems to think you can tune the wave to the piping, wave guiding it I see it called here. I hope it's true, though I doubt it. | |
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 |  bigfitchPremium join:2005-06-01 Murrayville, IL | Talk about a person having a major pipe for porn downloads.  | |
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 |  | | Re: Plastic gas pipes Interesting idea but I don't quite understand how it would work. It seems an idea worth testing, who know it may be in norm in another 15 years. | |
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 |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | Re: Plastic gas pipes Maybe these are the TUBES Senator Stevens was talking about. | |
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 |  vpokoPremium join:2003-07-03 Boston, MA | said by Bobcat:EDIT: The article says this works with plastic gas pipes. Is the plastic conductive? It doesn't have to be, the technology doesn't send an electrical signal along the pipe, it sends an RF signal *inside* the pipe, with the pipe acting as a waveguide. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Plastic gas pipes Plastic won't work as a waveguide. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Plastic gas pipes Its not the pipe carrying the signal, it is the ground line that is wrapped around the pipe that will carry the signal. | |
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 |  |  | | Geez, sounds like they've just upped the ante for the FIOS installers to cut more gas lines. And when they do, there goes all your personal information gushing up from a hole in the ground and being spread all over the street! | |
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 |  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY 2 edits |  WVG, Wireless Via GAS |
Plastic can conductive but it has to be made that why up front, and I don't think what they have in the ground now is. But as has been said Plastic by it's self can not be a wave guide. -- The older I get the more I prefer the company of my dogs over that of man kind. | |
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 |  |  ARGONAUTgot ping? join:2006-01-24 New Albany, IN | Re: Plastic gas pipes "Whiff-WiFi" 
I think there using the plastic as jacketing to stop signal bleeding like coaxial cable. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Plastic gas pipes I found out that plastic gas pipes are supposed to have a wire running alongside them, so the utility location folks can find the line. They must be using the wire to send the signal. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: Plastic gas pipes They have a wire for grounding out electricity that builds up from gas moving through the pipe. Gas moving through gas lines creates electricity and needs dissipated. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  Tom517 join:2006-07-13 Greenville, SC | Re: Plastic gas pipes Actually the wire is there so the gasline can be located with metal detectors. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  vpokoPremium join:2003-07-03 Boston, MA | Re: Plastic gas pipes said by Tom517:Actually the wire is there so the gasline can be located with metal detectors. Ehh? Why would they want people locating them with metal detectors? "Ooh, I think I found a treasure, better get a pick axe and dig it up!" | |
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| Re: Plastic gas pipes said by vpoko:Ehh? Why would they want people locating them with metal detectors? For the service people to find the exact location of the pipe without digging. This is done with water pipes also but I have seen them using a metallic tape similar to the one placed above buried power and telephone lines instead of a wire. | |
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 |  RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | Theoretically, a buried plastic gas line can still act as a waveguide (which is what they are trying to do here) but it would have higher losses than a copper pipe of the same dimensions.
However...this all assumes they can get it to go through the regulator and meter. No gas company in their right mind is going to connect anything on the high pressure side of the regulator. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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 | | Propane Tank Maybe they can fill up my propane tank with "internet"--the ultimate caching technology! | |
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 |  Anonymous_AnonymousPremium join:2004-06-21 127.0.0.1 kudos:2 | wow how fast is it 1000Gbit/s cache  | |
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 herdfanPremium join:2003-01-25 Hurricane, WV | Plastic pipe issues I work in the natural gas industry and there is not a utility I know of that is 100% plastic. There are sections of steel intermingled with plastic. So if it won't work through steel, it will be many years before it will work in this country. | |
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 | | this reminds me... ...of when the energy bubble was beginning to pop in the mid-1980s. I was working for a regional LD at the time (which has long since been gobbled into the belly of the beast). Some gas pipeline companies (*cough* Williams *cough*) discovered they could earn more money by stringing fiber through their pipeline network, than by pumping gas through it. Poof, near-instant fiber network connecting major cities.  | |
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 OlegBellsouth FastaccessPremium join:2003-12-08 Birmingham, AL | Re: Broadband in Gas Lines How about water  | |
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 |  | | Re: Broadband in Gas Lines That would be watered down internet then..:D | |
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 |  OlegBellsouth FastaccessPremium join:2003-12-08 Birmingham, AL | No bad idea they will charge us for water than  | |
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 |  bhayman join:2002-01-24 Greenville, PA | But what of us that only have wells? | |
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 op0 join:2005-07-16 Smyrna, DE | Router Bomb Im not too keen on having my internet go up in smoke. I could understand about going threw power lines I dont know about gas. Maybe the idea might blow up or fart on. | |
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| Re: Router Bomb Gas lines are far safer than electric lines.
A lot of mis-understanding on the idea. People shooting it down more than they did broadband over power lines. To me the idea seems more feasible (gas) than over electric.
But back to the one major point, if you have gas service you probably have access to some broadband already. | |
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 furloniumComputer Over? Virus equals Very Yes? join:2002-05-08 Bethlehem, PA | Food! Why does my pirated copy of Beerfest smell like fried onions and eggs? | |
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| Makes sense to me. All the "funny" remarks here shows that it might be difficult to sell technology to the general public if it is outside the established norm.
I think it is an ingenious idea and will work just fine! The just need to educate the public and eliminate myths and misconceptions.
No we still have to find a solution for all the households that are off the gas grid. | |
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 patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | yawn If you got natural gas you live in a urban-enough area to have cable and probably DSL. Another BSey pipe, now that we have BGL where is BPL? | |
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 jesh4 join:2006-08-12 Ramona, CA | Um.. what? I live in an area with natural gas, and cannot get either DSL or cable. I for one, would be elated if they could provide this service, even if it was 2x-3x more expensive than they're saying. | |
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 | | Broadband Via Sewer Why not use sewer pipes to deliver broadband? Just run a fiber optic line to the sewage treatment plant, install a big router next to the fermentation tanks, and you're good to go.  | |
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 |  | | Re: Broadband Via Sewer said by SanJoseNerd:Why not use sewer pipes to deliver broadband? Just run a fiber optic line to the sewage treatment plant, install a big router next to the fermentation tanks, and you're good to go. There are several companies already running fibre via sewer lines, using a robotic 'rat' to run the cable and fasten it to the inside of the pipe... It's a neat idea, but repairs are litterlly a sh*tty job...
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 |  |  whizkid3Premium,MVM join:2002-02-21 Queens, NY kudos:6 | Re: Broadband Via Sewer We're selling broadband through the pipes that carry the Brooklyn Bridge cables. Every investor also gets a free share of ownership in the Brooklyn Bridge! A definite bargain.
Seriously, its a fools idea. Anyone who knows anything about RF transmission in waveguides, perhaps even 50% of college EE undergrads, knows that it won't work. Waveguides require precise dimensions to match the frequency of the wave for successful transmission, and must be highly conductive. To top it off, the plastic sections will allow noise infiltration and whopping signal loss.
It seems more about getting idiots to finance their 'trials'; make a small fortune, and move on to another scam. | |
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 |  fxtrPremium join:2002-09-15 Reston, VA | Does that mean if my sewer backs up I would have a basement full of bits. Gives a new meaning to "bit bucket". | |
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