'Hacking the cable modem'Book Review ( old news - 08:10PM Thursday Sep 21 2006) "Hacking the Cable Modem" by Ryan Harris, No Starch Press ( Amazon, 283 pages, with decent index) is a new book with the promising subtitle What cable companies don't want you to know. The book's dedication reads, in part, to all the righteous hackers that have been silenced by greedy corporations. This book describes in some detail hacking victories the author and his crew had over various Motorola Surfboards, a LANCity, a D-link and an RCA model. (Other cable modems listed in a short list in chapter two are labelled as exploit free, at least, so far). The techniques used to convince cable modems to drop all resistance and bend to the will of the user vary from nonviolent trickery of cable modem software, to forcibly reprogramming the EEPROMs and/or re-instating/re-enabling diagnostic ports dropped from newer versions (dropped probably because of previous hacks). Once the cable modem is under full control of the Mr Cable Hacker, MAC addresses can be changed (cloning the modem to appear identical to a neighbor), and the holy-grail, uncapping, can proceed. Once uncapped, the modem will go as fast as the head-end can deliver or accept data over the available frequencies. The author states that a typical uncapped modem will currently run about 6 to 10mbit, and sometimes up to 20mbit, downstream. So for the price of $29.95 can we easily get free internet service, or uncap? Well, no. Casual buyers will be disappointed if they expected a simple guide for their current model. Advanced users will already know much of this information from online resources, including the authors own site. Breaking into a newly released or newly upgraded modem is tricky and clearly not always successful. It requires a number of tools, more than a passing familiarity with MIPs assembler, and a willingness to sacrifice a modem or two in the process. Uncapping a known-exploitable model, and not getting caught, appears to require immersion in a cable modem hacking community - lest your ISP advance their detection methods while you are asleep. I found the book a little schizophrenic in attitude. A number of remarks throughout by the young author, (from the dedication onward), imply that uncapping, MAC cloning and evading detection, is a noble pursuit, yet the back cover warns, in red, that uncapping violates service agreements and risks a "life" ban by the ISP (in fact, it risks arrest). Within the book the author warns that cable companies can always identify uncapped modems if they devote enough time and energy. In fact, Chapter 23 includes recommendations to ISP engineers on how to improve their systems to more easily defeat and detect cable modem hackers. There is another curious section in this book I'd like to take issue with. The author concludes in Chapter 3, in a DSL vs Cable presentation, that cable is superior to DSL. The last line reads: For you see, the truth is that if you want broadband, you want cable Internet broadband. Yet the balance of the book describes something that no DSL customers experience: other users able to clone your MAC address (I've personally been the victim of this, and it created six months of service misery for me), use ten times their fair share of bandwidth (guess whose performance then suffers), sniff downstream data belonging to other neighbors, and generally break out of the box and explore the config of their local node. At least some of the cable modem models can probably be hacked remotely. The book depicts harried cable engineers trying to balance demand and supply of bandwidth spending a lot of time trying to identify hackers who, after they uncap their cable modem and attempt invisibility, presumably use their new-found super status to soak the bandwidth of an area with P2P traffic for free. If you want broadband you want cable? Maybe if you want to hack outside your service agreement at the expense of the service quality of your neighbors, you want cable! Despite these criticisms, Hacking the Cable Modem is a good introduction to the inner workings of these blinky boxes, and the techniques currently in use by the hacking community to defeat security measures. I do recommend this book to anyone who itched to play with their own cable modem SNMP configuration and menu system. Unfortunately, from my experience on this site, a lot of kids are also attracted to this subject NOT for pure intellectual curiosity, but because they hope, to put it bluntly, that they can break their service agreement with their ISP, and accelerate their P2P downloading to warp speed. For this reason I believe cable industry professionals should also check out this book, if only to see where they are weakest. Update: The author, DerEngel, drops in to give his take on the subject: here
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  rawgerz In Debt we trust Premium join:2004-10-03 Grove City, PA | bad idea.. I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected.
Or worse, they take you to court? | |
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| Re: bad idea.. or worse... FBI showing up at your door with a warrant due to tampering, end up being hauled away with your possessions seized, and possibly spending some time in prison. | |
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| Not what happend to me... Back when @Home folded and Charter had to switch me to their own broadband, I got super pissed because my bandwidth was cut from 4-6mbps actual down to 768k! Same price and everything! So...
I hacked my cable modem. I saw the very first widely published article how the guy described the config replacement hack. I was able to change my speed caps and allow my modem to pull multiple IPs from the network.
Worked great for months until my sister one day loaded up a P2P app and uploaded @ 3mbps for half a day. Oops I got caught, and thought I was in big trouble. Fortunately since it was the very beginning of the whole uncapping fad going mainstream I was able to meet with their network engineer and showed him how I did it. He was satisfied, so they let me keep my account (Charter 768kbps down 128kbps up, what a friggin joke though!)
Now the config files are much more secure, and uncapping is just not doable unless you completely hack your firmware and change your MAC. Even then its still not worth it. I'm happy to pay Charter for my 10mbps, but looking forward to Fios in my area 
In no way do I cone hacking the modem. It can't be done these days anyways - at least not with hacks I used. Pay for your service, or if really deperate be happy on your leeched wireless connection | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   justin Australian join:1999-05-28 Brooklyn, NY | yes if you read my review I mention that more than once. Nevertheless, the book exists and it is not illegal to purchase it, or read it. | |
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| Re: bad idea.. said by justin :yes if you read my review I mention that more than once. Nevertheless, the book exists and it is not illegal to purchase it, or read it. Yes, it is legal and it very similar in ethics to those books on how to make homemade bombs. Perfectly legal and upheld in court numerous times on free speech grounds. But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. Based on that logic, if something CAN be used for bad, then companies shouldn't carry it or sell it ?
Just about everything in your home would suddenly be gone from the shelves of every store.
Bleach, gone (because it can be used to make chlorine bombs more easily that you can hack your cable modem)... Guns, gone... Cars, all gone. Computes, poof! Phones, yep, them too. Children's Tylenol, done for...
No, that doesn't work. Instead of preventing this type of information from getting out, perhaps a consorted effort to show its value and explain its legitimate uses should be made ?
And of course, keeping the book from stores doesn't prevent someone with the slightest clue from firing up the internet and using Google. -- Ann Coulter doesn't know jack about science... "Extremes to the right and left of any political dispute are always wrong." Dwight Eisenhower | |
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I think they'd ban cars if that many people were dying per year. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Yes, it is legal and it very similar in ethics to those books on how to make homemade bombs. Perfectly legal and upheld in court numerous times on free speech grounds. But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. Hmmmm....
On one hand you say that the book is perfectly legal, then on the other hand admonish legitimate companies that might carry a legal product. -- A is A | |
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| Re: bad idea.. said by John Galt :said by TK Junk Mail :Yes, it is legal and it very similar in ethics to those books on how to make homemade bombs. Perfectly legal and upheld in court numerous times on free speech grounds. But I would hope legitimate companies would refuse to carry and sell these books. Hmmmm.... On one hand you say that the book is perfectly legal, then on the other hand admonish legitimate companies that might carry a legal product. Could you clear this up for me? You said that "on the other hand you [warn] legitimate companies that might carry a legal product." Elaborate, please. | |
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| Then it's best said to ban computer books which allow programmers to code applications. I like companies who carry books like these whether it be legitimate or not. Or do you think we should start burning these books simply because of there content?
Just like we should ban all guns to be given to citizens and only allow the army to have them. Or you think you are ok with them showing a burning flag but not of these muslims with a head shaped as a bomb because "it offends" them.
If you are going to be moral police on books you better apply it to everything and anything not just books and then you will see how unethical it really sounds. | |
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| Re: bad idea.. Should books discussing computer security/exploits be banned? How about all those books about rootkits that populate the shelves at Barnes and Nobles or Borders? What about the books talking about defeating WEP/WAP-enabled encryption on wireless routers?
Under your logic TKjunkmail, these are just as bad.
However they serve a helluva good purpose...they provide the information necessary for system administrators to ensure that as many vulnerabilities are assessed and addressed for their networks as is possible.
Don't bash a book because it contains information that can be used as an exploit. Anything can be used in a negative manner in life... -- Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy | |
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| Re: bad idea.. These books also inform the reader of the actual fact of things. If a company was lying to you saying that the service is secure yet there was a high rate of identity theft. Nobody would really know it's the encryption of the wireless routers which is failing. These books exploit facts of these wireless technologies that inform the reader and then everybody will know where the problem is occuring and avoid such products. | |
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| Re: bad idea.. said by TK Junk Mail :
Yes, you can find in the Comcast forum a number of posts of those who got caught and then come whine about how the big bad cable company permanently disconnected them from all cable services - including TV. » /nsearch?q=unc···t7951755» /nsearch?q=unc···82158759 Yes, I will say that the CMTS is capable of running scripts under certain conditions. One condition, exceeding bandwidth allowance, auto-generates a ticket to one of the national ticket centers, and they review the log. Once they find the culprit, they determine the node they are on, and if you are persistent enough (keep hacking with spoofed MAC's) then they simply send a maintainence guy out to the neighborhood, and will disconnect you at the tap. Don't ask me how they locate people, but I think it has something to do with which return channel and amplifier you talk to the node with. Not sure about other companies, but about 3 years ago, I offered to "explore" the ability of undetectable hacking. Lets just say I wasn't able to get permission, but discovered a co-worker's roommate did it, and he was caught within 24 hours, woke up to no internet, came to work with supervisors waiting to talk to him about "why he hacked his modem". Luckly, he DOES have a roommate, and explained the situation. They took his internet away for about 3 years, and it took lots of occasional begging to get it back. He ended up having to prove his roommate wasn't living there anymore. This was 6 years ago, and I'm sure it's gotten much better. Although it would be neat to try, I definately wouldn't do it from my house, or modem. -- SIPPhone/Gizmo # 17476200648 / PIMPNET Chatline / Ran by Asterisk & Slackware 10.1. | |
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| I believe in some jurisdictions, yes, it could be considered "theft of service" and you could be taken to court for it, though most likely they will simply disconnect someone who uncaps. And as I understand it, the docsis protocol is pretty draconian and uncappers aren't hard to find.
Aside from that, it is the epitome of greed and selfishness. If there were uncappers on every block, service could degrade to less-than-dialup speeds. -- "When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.'" -- Theodore Roosevelt | |
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| doing what the book says can be illegal under theft of service(atleast the uncapping), the Author writing it and us owning and reading the book is thankfully still protected as a freedom of the press. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: bad idea.. I still remember that.
The good days of cable modem uncapping are over. Now, pretty much all bandwidth management is done through QoS policies instated at the headend itself, fewer and fewer cable ISPs are using the cable modems to enforce the bandwidth caps because of this specific vulnerability.
As long as the customer has access to the thing, it's vulnerable. QoS policies and headend-based management take those out of the user's hands, completely. Those two essentially render all the old serial-based SurfBoard hacks obsolete. There still are some neat things you can do, but not legally, or without getting caught. -- "Some people never see the light till it shines thru bullet holes." -Bruce Cockburn
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| said by rawgerz :I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected. Or worse, they take you to court? Remember the buckeye cable incident? speeds are now up there where uncapping is not worth the hassle. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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| said by rawgerz :I'm pretty sure I read in a few TOS from different cable CO's that if you do this, you will be permanently disconnected. Or worse, they take you to court? Exactly...why would anyone hack a cable network? Bandwidth is dirt cheap now a days...I'm paying for 15/2 -- Harry M. Torres Jr. | |
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|   Alpine Premium join:2000-01-11 Atlanta, GA | Typical Again theft being justified by "sticking it to the greedy corporations." I hope this guy isn't more than 15 years old... Most of us mature and grow out of that attitude around that point...
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|  |   LiberalKing Intocable Premium join:2005-09-12 Bronx, NY | Re: Typical tell me about it. im only for free downloads of warez/mp3/moviez to stick it to the big companies. --
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| Re: Typical said by LiberalKing :tell me about it. im only for free downloads of warez/mp3/moviez to stick it to the big companies.  -- A is A | |
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Theft of service should never be publically condoned. | |
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| Re: Unbelievable BBR isn't condoning it. They're simply stating that there's a book out that shows how it can be done. What if your neighbor was to clone your MAC address. Wouldn't it be nice to know how he did it so you can fix it where he can't do it again? After you beat his ass of course. -- ℜ λ η κ ε ℵ ∃ | |
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| said by Enlightener :I can't belive BBR would steep to such lows. Is this Slashdot? Theft of service should never be publically condoned. There is nothing at all wrong with hacking a cable modem, it violates nothing that I know of.
What process of hacking your property is illegal? Because I don't see any.
What is illegal/violation is hacking it and then using it on a cable network that does not belong to you (eg: an ISP). 
As far as the book, there is nothing that would make it illegal... There are books about drugs, murder, etc. That doesn't make it illegal, books are for reading and learning, not for planning out or doing what you see in it. -- This page is best viewed with Mozilla Firefox | |
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| Re: Unbelievable #1: AFAIK, in most situations unless you buy a modem retail, you do not OWN the modem. You are renting them from the cableco. So in essence they still own it. So in this case, it WOULD be in violation if you hacked it.
#2: Even if you do own the modem and you hack it, it would still be in violation of something because it is running on the cableco's network. This is comparable to the FCC rules regarding OTA broadcasting. Without a license you can only go so far up the power ladder and inside a specific frequency range. Above that point you need a license for it else its illegal. You may certainly own the broadcasting equipment, but the FCC is in control of the airwaves your equipment operates on. -- I reject your reality and substitue my own! -- Adam Savage, Mythbusters | |
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| Re: Unbelievable Both these points are spurious, really. When you sign up for service you agree not to reverse engineer or otherwise fiddle with the config of the cable modem, whether it be their modem, or yours.
If you do fiddle with it (and they define the word fiddle, not you), and are caught, you are breaking the terms of the contract. Depending on how the company feels, it may also throw in a theft of service charge to elevate it to a crime rather than just a contractual dispute. I'm sure they could also drag in the DMCA if they wanted extra tools to beat you over the head with.
Either way, they hold all the cards here. In most cases they don't have to play even half of them. | |
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| The Author's Site TCN-ISO, if anyone is interested.
The site has its own forum, a store, and general cable modem-uncapping miscellanea.
They also have a section on the book, accompanied by a brief summary of each chapter. | |
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| Some usefulness still remains... I agree that most of this book's content is probably not worth the time because using it will get you slapped down, but the sections on accessing the SNMP functions of the modem would certainly make it worthwhile.
When I had cable, I would have loved the ability to use the SNMP functions for several reason, the least of which to let me know when my connection crapped out and I wasn't around to notice. Such information would certainly let me know how reliable my provider is versus what they claim to be. And of course, getting data on the traffic hitting my modem but not my router would be cool. -- Ann Coulter doesn't know jack about science... "Extremes to the right and left of any political dispute are always wrong." Dwight Eisenhower | |
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| said by CPM :I get 20 megs now with OOL. Why would I need to hack it? to uncap your upload when CV caps you for using your upload. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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| When will it end? Although there will always be folks who want it to be free, hacking/pirating/stealing becomes a non issue when the product perceived as a value. I've said this many times regarding the music industry. If it only cost a few bucks to buy a new CD, pirating would be reduced to background noise. However, as long as the labels keep turning out "albums" that are 75% crap, who wants to pay $15? It's why on-line music sites have exploded -- folks can eliminate the crap from each album and only buy the songs they like.
If hacking cable modems is prevalent, there's a lesson for the cable companies. Either eliminate the gatekeeper role from the CPE and control it at the head end or figure out a way to give the P2P crowd what they want without killing the rest of us. For instance, why not provide a "P2P" package that provides dynamic bandwidth. That is, the P2P package gets a lower priority but it gets whatever bandwidth is left -- with a stop loss (i.e. minimum speed -- say 1Mbps). When the other "constant" packages aren't using the system, the P2P packages runs at 30Mbps or some equally outrageous bandwidth. | |
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| Cable Way back in the dark ages of running BOTH DSL & Cable, I came across the oxymoron of capping. After a long spell I realized that Cable capping, to satisfy the 'Neighboured' thing got sorta out of hand. It's not cool to share with neighbours, on some things though & bandwidth is one of those 
But what a few don't realize is capping is NOT always a bad thing, consider synchronous bandwidth allocations. Some people strive for the maximum download, ain't it great...NO, after all the of six months testing both DSL & Cable @ the same time...It finally hit home around six years ago:
A more synchronous line, even @ a lower rate provides optimal service. So, given @ the time a rate of 1000/127 Cable and an equitable 750/130 DSL...Guess, which worked better? These days with 8000/348 ~ How wide can you get B4 having to sit down?
The other aspect is distance, it's better to be capped lower & get service than hit the high end & drop 50%.
The more equal the rates between up/down..The better the result, but yes it sucks to get capped when the advertisements scream "All-Ya-Can-Get-For-less". BS, then add another kind of cap; ya just ran out for this month.....Hope you enjoy your letter of 'You have exceed your allocated bandwidth!
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| How to turn your cable modem into a brick for ~$20 Lancity modems...who the hell is still using these?!? At the very least you will turn your cable modem into a brick and have to come up with inventive excuses to get a new one, at the most the notoriety this book is getting might inspire your ISP to make you poster person for their TOS infractions.
All I will say is that 'uncapping' your modem is only one step on the road the bandwidth utopia, there are controls and monitors on most devices that will not allow you to bypass pre-configured thresholds and/or will automagically alert the company of your attempts to do so. -- you can lead a horse to the water but you cannot make him drink...you can put a man through school but you cannot make him think --ben harper | |
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| Excellent Review, Justin ... Thanks! Thank you, Justin! I'll probably pick up this book!
I am -not- going to hack my hackable RCA 245. I seldom have a need for more than I already have.
But, as someone who loves to explore the possibilities, I've been tempted to do it JUST TO DO IT!
I also don't want to brick my modem, nor do I want to get the "Letter of Death" from Comcast.
So a book like this might just satisfy my curiosities, without having to go through the trouble or risk of actually doing it.
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| Re: Lazy Cable Operators... said by Ignite :Haven't seen uncapping on this side of the pond in years to be honest, some cloning but that's about all. Cable operators provide CPEs and control downstream from the CMTS making downstream uncapping impossible. Breaking upstream limits is also impossible as there are limits CMTS wide on upstream usage from a single modem. Same thing here. Makes the book pretty useless. And I just read through it last night. It even mentions that the CMTS will not let you uncap. "TAKE CONTROL OF MY MODEM!" To do what? -- CableFAQ.org
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join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK | when your cable provider is sending 10mbs ...what is there to uncap? Think about older cable modems like the old Toshiba 1100s. Those things max out at like 11mbps. So if you are on 10 Mbps service you arent accomplishing much. | |
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