  MikePremium,Mod
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kudos:1 | This should be good. The amount of highly intelligent and well informed amount of comments is going to be fairly amusing. | |
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 | | | Re: This should be good. I for one, welcome the anti-mac bashers and the mac zealots! Let the Mac Wars commence! | |
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| |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: This should be good. said by cableties:I for one, welcome the anti-mac bashers and the mac zealots! Let the Mac Wars commence! Oh, what's the damn point.
At this point, it's clear folks should take Symantec with a grain of salt. Just like every other snake oil salesman, they have a product to push.
If Macs are indeed as vulnerable as they say they are, then more people (Mac users) will "need" their product.
If more people make the decision to stay with Windows because the Mac has become a "hotbed of malware" as they wrongly predicted it would be by this time, then more Windows users will need their product....
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| | | MikePremium,Mod
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| Re: This should be good. FUD. Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.
To get results, you make paranoia.
They're selling a product. (an absolute piece of crap for OS X, I've seen it.)
They want money.
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| | | | | | Re: This should be good. Absolutely agreed on the FUD, seems that FUD is what drives many to make decisions. Don't scope the technical merits, just be afraid... | |
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| | | | |  NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
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1 edit | Re: This should be good. Symantic is only doing this to scare MAC users into buying their software because they know that MS is making progress with securing Windows, which threatens their future.
Thats also why they are asking the EC to start slapping fines and conditions on MS's release of Vista in Europe.
Their just hoping to scare MAC users into buying their bloated, system unfriendly software. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: This should be good. FUD. I agree. When Norton's bought Mac Tools Pro (year ago) and locked the mac tools market to Norton's Utilities (until TT and DW), it still left a bad taste.
Norton's Utilities (Symantec SystemWorks x.x) quickly degenerated into a "unreliable tool" choice if it wasn't keeping version-updated with Mac OS version.
Now, Symantec, threatened by Microsoft (closed Vista hooks, MS partnering with other parties to embed MS IIS into Network Appliances, Defender and One-Call AV solutions) wants to scare Mac users into installing their product as turney solution to future fears.
Maybe AVG and Avast! could take this as an opportunity to provide some OS X solutions. Currently, the only free AV is clamXav.
I wonder if Symantec sees the code on the wall... | |
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| | | | Please let's not go there again! My gosh, is it ever going to end? The fact of this matter is simple, nothing is going to change. There are not enough convincing arguments from Windows users that can get most Mac users to switch over to XP/Vista! The same goes for Windows users. None of us are collecting any royalties from these silly arguments so let's just end this nonsense. Just be happy with whatever you have chosen to use and that's it! | |
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 ShamayimI already have a Messiah.Premium
join:2002-09-23 | No surprise Isn't this the way it's been for years?
Rumors of real-world Mac vulnerabilities.
Gleeful PCusers trot out their 'told you so' posts.
Nothing happens.
Ain't the Mac grand? 
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1 edit | Re: No surprise I'm tired of people that talk about their Mac like it's some sort of elite invincible "God Machine" that never falters. It's a computer! You're not special for having one. Anyone can buy them... I'm so sick of this crap all the time.
If a mac suits your needs: graphics/editing/general usage, fine.
If a PC better suits your needs: gaming, legacy compatibility, cheaper price, upgradability, then that's good for you too.
Enough with the bashing, and the "I'm so special because I have a Mac" type comments. You have a computer, just like everyone else. Grow up...
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| |  HappyBunnyHi. Cram It.Premium
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1 edit | Re: No surprise ....sound of crickets as Mac detractors think of some other reason to carp on the Mac...
As for Symantic, why would anyone believe their dire predictions? Of course they want the Mac to be attacked by virii, they make their money selling anti-virus products. Here is a chunk of the computer market *that doesn't need them*! They dont like it, so *let's tell Mac users they are vulnerable*!
I have three Macs I use regularly. Not one of them has had antivirus software on it since 1997 or so. I have not ever had one virus or malware or spyware install itself on my Machine. Why is that? Because it cant do it without my permission! | |
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| | |  R4M0NBrazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
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1 edit | Re: No surprise It's viruses.
I guess Mac users don't need a dictionary either?  | |
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| | | | IGGYNo Guru Just Here To HelpPremium,MVM
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Chatham, IL | Re: No surprise Actually I think the security forum has had this debate before. Virii may in fact be plural for multiple virus. I just love how everyone is a wannabe English teacher on the internet. And yes many Apple owners can be self-righteous snobs. But then again I know a ton of PC owners that are worse. Infections will hit the Apple brand. Maybe not soon. But we have in fact seen that this product isn't as air tight as the end user thinks. Reading the Apple forum here will also break the myth that these machines aren't crash prone.
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1 edit | Re: No surprise said by IGGY:Actually I think the security forum has had this debate before. Virii may in fact be plural for multiple virus. I just love how everyone is a wannabe English teacher on the internet. I'm not a wannabe anything, but I guess this is a wannabe dictionary then?
»www.m-w.com/dictionary/virus | |
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2 edits | said by IGGY:Actually I think the security forum has had this debate before. Since when security forum has anything to do with etymology?
Virii may in fact be plural for multiple virus. I just love how everyone is a wannabe English teacher on the internet.
Well, apparently you aren't even a wannabe - virii doesn't exist at all, not even in Latin. (I hold a 4-ys Latin degree.)
In English it's virus n. pl. vi·rus·es, period. | |
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| | | | |  brandonSome truth included in this post.Premium
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Hurley, MS | said by IGGY:I just love how everyone is a wannabe English teacher on the internet. Should I show you my Bachelor's in English now, or later? | |
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| | | | N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | said by R4M0N:It's viruses. I guess Mac users don't need a dictionary either? LOL.
Actually, OS X 10.4 comes with a build in version of the Oxford English Dictionary, and spell check that works in any program installed....
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| | | | HappyBunnyHi. Cram It.Premium
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kudos:1 | I was being clever. Sorry you didnt get that. | |
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| | | | | | said by R4M0N:It's viruses. I guess Mac users don't need a dictionary either? You had to edit this reply? I wonder what you spelled wrong?
Go Mac, 0 problems for years and years and years.
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Little Rock, AR | Re: No surprise Pacifica Mark......isn't time you changed the avatar? | |
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Miami, FL | Re: No surprise Don't worry if you don't see it on his avatar you will see it at the local gas station :P | |
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| | | | | | | | said by TigerNutz:Pacifica Mark......isn't time you changed the avatar? Cheapest in town is 2.65, still way too high.
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Little Rock, AR | Re: No surprise said by GilbertMark:said by TigerNutz:Pacifica Mark......isn't time you changed the avatar? Cheapest in town is 2.65, still way too high. $2.24 here | |
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| | | | | | | Right, random shut downs, dodgey batteries, overheating/running to hot are not problems at all.
Thank God for denial | |
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| | | | | | No, it is virii
Virus and Viruses refer to a biological entity.
Virus and virii (a recently invented word) date back to early virus writing days. English buffs should know that once a new term is coined, even if it is patently wrong in meaning, grammar, or spelling, that once it gets into popular use the term evolves into becoming correct.
Example:
Anyway and anyways. I have heard anyway used all my life. In recent years people have begun saying anyways instead. Yet anyways is incorrect in that it is pluralising something that is already pluralised. Anyway is the short form of "any way". Any is an adjective modifying the noun way to mean more than one. Therefore, anyways is a double plural - yet we move on, and the word is now "correct". | |
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| | | | said by SimbaTLK1:You're not special for having one. Ohhh.. I will have to disagree with that.
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| | | N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: No surprise "You are not a unique snowflake! You are the same rotting organic material as everything else!"
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| | N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Lighten up, fella.
It's an internet discussion board, not a murder trial.... | |
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kudos:1 | Re: No surprise Bill Gates doesn't care about Mac people? | |
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Glen Allen, VA | Re: No surprise said by Mike:Bill Gates doesn't care about Mac people? LOL.... I give you the "Best Post of the thread" award.  | |
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join:2002-09-23 | said by N3OGH:It's an internet discussion board, not a murder trial.... Droll post of the week award 
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| |  BellBoySteven Paul Jobs 1955-2011Premium
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Los Angeles, CA | said by SimbaTLK1:I'm tired of people that talk about their Mac like it's some sort of elite invincible "God Machine" that never falters. It's a computer! You're not special for having one. Anyone can buy them... I'm so sick of this crap all the time. If a mac suits your needs: graphics/editing/general usage, fine. If a PC better suits your needs: gaming, legacy compatibility, cheaper price, upgradability, then that's good for you too. Enough with the bashing, and the "I'm so special because I have a Mac" type comments. You have a computer, just like everyone else. Grow up... Edit: Grammar Shouldn't it be more like "Edit: I don't know what I'm talking about"...?
You seem to be speaking out of ignorance because of that tiresome "good for graphics, not upgradable" BS.
The price argument is a non-issue, just plain wrong and has been proven so in the ATM forum time and time again.
If you knew anything about the Mac product line you would find that a.) both Mac and Windows laptops have very limited if any upgradable aspects to them, b.) the mid-level Macs and most lower end Windows boxes also have limited upgrade options (meant as a generalization--YMMV), and c.) BOTH high end Macs and Windows boxes can be upgraded.
So if anyone still wants to shovel this crap, please step up because I'd like to stuff a l33t video card down your throat.
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1 edit | Re: No surprise said by BellBoy:You seem to be speaking out of ignorance because of that tiresome "good for graphics, not upgradable" BS. Right...because we all know that macs are Top-of-The Line for gaming; preferred over a windows box any day
said by BellBoy:If you knew anything about the Mac product line you would find that a.) both Mac and Windows laptops have very limited if any upgradable aspects to them, Who said anything about windows laptops?
said by BellBoy: b.) the mid-level Macs and most lower end Windows boxes also have limited upgrade options Key words there, MID-LEVEL Macs, and LOW-Level Windows boxes.Better value on a low level windows box than a low level mac...my point about price exactly.
said by BellBoy:So if anyone still wants to shovel this crap, please step up because I'd like to stuff a l33t video card down your throat. AHAHAHA!! HA!!! HA!!!...uh no. | |
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| | | | BellBoySteven Paul Jobs 1955-2011Premium
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Los Angeles, CA | Re: No surprise Ah...all clear to me now. You're a gamer and this is now about why you can't play "da c0UnT3r$tr1K3" on a "MAC", yes?
BTW, I offered info about laptops because I was being thorough.
[sigh] Another point missed about prices...see my statement earlier about you not knowing what you're talking about. Feel free to stop by the ATM forum so we can open up can of whoopenlightenment for you...unless you're afraid of actual information.
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| | | | But you are the reason that the bashing continues. You yourself are guilty of perpetuating myths and misconceptions which is where the bashing begins. The upgradability and cheaper price that you mention are non-existant today.
You're so special because you don't have a mac... | |
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Alameda, CA | What happened? What happened to all the Mac bashing like the first Symantec story? | |
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| Symantec sells.. Antivirus, Anti spyware, and Diagnostic utilities. They want to create new markets, creating fear brings them new markets in some cases. OSX is not a malware hotbed, why? Because it was designed from the ground up to not give admin rights to the user. Windows, and Windows software developers decide that it is easier to develop a software that require full admin rights rather than customizing it so it can use reduced rights.
Take Norton Antivirus for instance, in a home user setup, where the user is a limited user. It needs admin rights to download and install definition updates. That is just a recipe for disaster.
Why do you think Homeland Security was founded, to foster Fear, Uncertianity, and doubt. The government that keeps its' people safe is a good government.
The probability that random bag searches with catch a terrorist in the NYC Subway System is at least 1 in 8 million.
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| Oh? In 15 years I had one release of Norton that worked; they broke it in the upgrade. BSOD was daily occurrence even though I installed more than 1 GB first grade RAM. Keystroke loggers that liked to "call home" was inserted in software. When I removed it, the program wouldn't run. Removing cookies and defraging was a daily event.. So was editing the Registry for malware and adware.
Conversely I have not had a Kernel Panic, nor have I run out of memory. I haven't had to defrag because it has not been necessary yet. Nor have I had to call Redmond before I could reinstall my operating system; the whole idea is ludicrous. As of to date I have not had to reformat or reinstall one OS - let alone the four I have installed. Yes, I can upgrade Mac. CPU and memory take about a minute each to upgrade. The drives don't take any longer than on a PC. Hardware and software are backward compatible. I could run the new Canon printer I bought a couple of years ago from a 1995 model PPC, but not on the latest version of W98se Today I can run OS 9 programs natively or the software in OS X but I couldn't ever run my special software for W98 Under XP. I guess Mac will just never be legacy compatible. I don't open every piece of mail I get any more than I answer every phone call.. I have not had a virus since I sold my 9 bay, 6 drive PC.
Is UNIX less susceptible to virus than DOS or NT? I don't know. Time will tell. It if is, SANS has not reported any UNIX nasties in a long time, whereas MS flaws are reported daily. Wasn't it last year there were 144.000 viruses or other flaws and holes in XP?
Computers are electronic and for the most part a pain in the neck, but
before VBS, the Internet was not infected like it is today. And before Word.doc and the MS open door policy very few home users ever saw a virus. The code that was being written then was designed to take down big servers like AOL.
As far as the FUD Norton is handing out, they can keep spewing it . Norton breaks on Mac. In the meantime I'm so scared I am going to buy a quad Intel Mac that I can't upgrade or run my old software on.
This is all about opinions. Everyone has one.
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Symantec consumer products = Over Priced Resource Hogs
On the enterprise side, I do like a few of their offerings though... Ghost Suite, and a few others.
Don't believe the hype. | |
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