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IA | $249.99 U.S The correct price is $249.99 U.S.
Way overpriced just like any other MP3 player... | |
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Pashune
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Gautier, MS | Re: $249.99 U.S Agreed. I paid $50 for my Sandisk 512 MB mp3 player. Though expensive and limited in space, I don't go places often; and when I do, it makes for a good time killer  | |
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join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA
| Re: $249.99 U.S said by Pashune  :Agreed. I paid $50 for my Sandisk 512 MB mp3 player. Though expensive and limited in space, I don't go places often; and when I do, it makes for a good time killer Wow... yup... compare the price of a 30GB player to a 512MB player. Lets see... that Sandisk cost you $100 per GB. Or to get 30GB from your Sandisk you would need to buy $3,000 worth of them. Even the iPod shuffle is a better deal at $79 for a GB.  | |
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Speedy8
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Alliance, OH
clubs: | Re: $249.99 U.S Don't forget the color screen. | |
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join:2006-01-24
Florissant, MO | Re: $249.99 U.S But...But..but..Its says Micro$oft on it! | |
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kangabil
Do It Now, Do It Right
Premium
join:2005-05-15
Australia
| Re: $249.99 U.S That is has M$ label is my real worry.
How many patches before it really works.
How many bugs that will ensure it WON'T work
And if I did buyt it (no way Jose') then I'm tied even tighter to the M$ octapus. Buy M$ machine, get M$ permission to play only M$ labelled software and on M$ approved ownloads.
I don't think so thanks.
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL
1 edit | Re: $249.99 U.S M$ actully didnt make it Toshiba did | |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26 | Re: $249.99 U.S
Who cares who manufactured it? Point is that it was made to Micro$oft specs. | |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26 | Re: $249.99 U.S "what a HATER."
What a dufus thing to say. The truth of the fact that it was made under contract to M$ specs is simply the truth. How is that being a "hater"?
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join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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| said by kangabil :That is has M$ label is my real worry. How many patches before it really works. How many bugs that will ensure it WON'T work And if I did buyt it (no way Jose') then I'm tied even tighter to the M$ octapus. Buy M$ machine, get M$ permission to play only M$ labelled software and on M$ approved ownloads. I don't think so thanks. Well, my experience with Microsoft NON-PC devices is pretty good. Not to mention there is a large community already that is familiar with it. The good thing about this being Microsoft made is the hacks and mods that will become available to make the device better. It's like everything else, only since the device will have a larger group of developers (unlike the Mac, smaller group of idea makers) I think it just might take off...
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peter_m
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Canada, QC
1 edit | Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux I'm sure some hacker or group of hackers would love to have it boot LINUX... I would buy one just for that! | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux said by peter_m :I'm sure some hacker or group of hackers would love to have it boot LINUX... I would buy one just for that! What good would that do if you cant use it due to the DRM?
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join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA | You can already install Linux on the iPod | |
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peter_m
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Canada, QC
1 edit | Re: Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux But this should have better video.. larger screen then the current iPod. I bet it has more RAM and a faster processor as well. Also will be less expensive then Apple's iPod but most importantly it will be funny to have it run Linux while the case says Micro$oft.
But seriously, installing Linux will remove any silly restrictions, will give access to more codecs, will allow you to customise it with third party software and will satisfy urges to mess with Micro$oft.
It's a win-win situation unless you want to use the DRM stuff, then it's a no-no. | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| Automatically imports your existing music, pictures and videos from iTunes and Windows Media Player in a variety of formats
If it plays iTunes music and videos, it looks like M$ is going full steam after Apple. Smart to play iTunes stuff too which may slowly break iPod's strangehold on MP3 players at their ridiculously high prices for supposed quality. | |
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join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA
| Re: $249.99 U.S said by rachelsfx :Smart to play iTunes stuff too which may slowly break iPod's strangehold on MP3 players at their ridiculously high prices for supposed quality. How will they do that is Apple is still holding fairplay?
And how are MSFTs prices any better? | |
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join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
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1 edit | Some tech site did a survey awhile back and noted most people use less than %10 of there storage space on mp3 players. I agree, i have a hard time filling up 512megs with songs I want to listen to. For cutting grass, or doing stuff its plenty of space for me at least.
I also have that 512meg sandisk player, its great no complaints at all with it, does its job, and easy controls. I even dropped it off the roof 3-4 times still ticking. hehe
I wish they could make a wireless mp3 player so you could eliminate the cords, hard to carry stuff at work with cords in way though.
The Zune has potential, have not read much on the service it offers, but again 99 cents a song is WAY to much, and DRM needs to go. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| I have a Dell DJ20 (20gigs). I currently have 1,707 tracks, with 8548MB of space left. I have every song I like on it and will fill it up in the coming years as I include newer songs that will become my favorites.
To be honest I don't see the point of a study that says x amount of people only have x amount of spaced used on their hard disk because over time people will add to it making that whole argument moot. | |
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join:2003-07-28
Lubbock, TX
| I think the point you missed is the fact that he doesn't need it (even though an iPod (or any other larger MP3 play) may be the better deal. If you go to the store for a clock; let's say its $5. The store offers you 60 for $1 each. Sure you may be getting a better deal on the grand scale, but you also just spent $60 on 60 clocks when 1 would have cost you $5.
That example is a bit off because you can always sell the other clocks off, but what if you couldn't (like the OP couldn't resell 59.5GB from an iPod)? | |
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join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
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| Re: $249.99 U.S If you don't need a 30GB player, then how can you determine if the pricing is correct? Personally I think $250 is a great price if it has a screen that is outstanding. I don't know if it does, but I know my Vision:M which I paid $250 for does.. Since I ride a train for 45mins twice a day, not only do I use it watch a lot of movies, that I'd otherwise never get to see, I also keep 10-15GB's of music on it, which even now, has ALL been listened to thoroughly.. Now $300 for a 30GB video Ipod which has a terrible looking screen, and a GUI made by Apple; I don't deem a good value. | |
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join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA
| Re: $249.99 U.S said by Ahrenl : Now $300 for a 30GB video Ipod which has a terrible looking screen, and a GUI made by Apple; I don't deem a good value. FYI The 30GB iPod has a new(er) screen and is $249 (not $300). | |
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Pashune
Inhaling at 410 KB per sec.
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Gautier, MS
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| Re: $249.99 U.S I don't know a soul who has more than 10 gb of music Ordering hardware online is a joke; the last few times I've ordered computer hardware from 2 DIFFERENT sites, I've waited almost a month for the packages to arrive. My mail/postal service in my area is pathetic. So, the SanDisk mp3 players were all that was available in my area. Almost every mp3 I have is encoded at 128 kbit, with a select few at 256 kbit and up. Sure, the quality can be somewhat mediocre, but with the stuff I listen to, the music isn't even purchasable. I'm not someone with big $$$ to blow. ^_^ I'd rather spend $250 on a new life. Yeah, call me poor, but that's how my family works. I rarely leave my home, so why would I need an mp3 player with such massive storage? My school doesn't allow an mp3 player in possession on the premises. SanDisk has done what I wanted it to do. =o And for the soul who said iPods were better; I'm not laying a finger on those. My girlfriend has had THREE of them; all which died in one year. And if she has trouble with them; chances are I'm going to as well. This rant need not continue..
You are all welcome to flame me and/or call me biased, stereotypical, or other related terms. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: $249.99 U.S I own close to 30 GB of music on my computer. That's not thousands of mp3 downloads either. That's transfers from CDs and records I own. Granted I have a lot of music and I encode the music at 192kbps, but that still means I have more than 10Gb. My 30 GB Zen Touch works fine for me. I haven't maxed out the storage (because I don't need ALL of my music library to go), but it's nice to see the room for expansion.
BTW rock on with your SanDisk player. If you ask me a good mp3 player is the one that meets your needs. You don't need a lot of storage, but want a small and sturdy player? Bingo. | |
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join:2005-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA | Hey guys, what Anti-Virus program does it come with? | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
| Microsoft announces users need to download 15 patches including one that lets hackers exploit a flaw in its firmware that could allow a takeover of you computer or a network.
Requirements: Vista (works with XP with software with more DRM than anyone thought possible). | |
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs: | Whats the bit rate on the "service"? My only complaint against ITunes, aside from DRM, is the low quality. If MS offers a higher bit rate/better sounding download for the same price, I'll bite. | |
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Speedy8
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs: | Re: Whats the bit rate on the "service"? The only way I'd buy music online is if I could buy it in lossless format with no DRM, but that isn't going to happen. | |
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| | amungus
Premium
join:2004-11-26
America
clubs:
| Re: Whats the bit rate on the "service"? some bands do. I've actually purchased shows I've seen in FLAC a few days after the event (Primuslive.com, bootlegs.PearlJam.com).
Very nice of them to do.
...but you're right, now if only a service would do this, I'd buy a song for a buck, or a discounted album (with artwork!).
Currently, I am (mostly) happy w/Rhapsody's $10/mo. deal.
IMO, $14/mo. is a little steep just to "take it with you." ..Let alone the costs of all these fancy players... you can still get a 20GB rio "karma" player on ebay for a little over $100. THAT is a deal. So what if it doesn't "Play for Sure" it WORKS... (and plays FLAC's!) ..What do you get for $150 more dollars??? A color screen, and DRM... hmm...
Don't care to take video with me and watch it on a puny little screen. If I were that crazed about doing it, I'd rather be entertained by at least a PSP sized screen and have the option of playing games too.
MS is WAY too late in this game.
This won't put a dent on iTunes or Rhapsody or Yahoo. "Look, I just got a coool ..Microsoft?... zoon-pod, I'm sooo cool, you aren't because you only have an xyz-pod.."
...I don't think so...
With all the extra DRM this madness will have, I really don't get the point. People don't care for it, PERIOD! eMusic, for instance, knows this... BANDS know this, normal people know this... It's just worthless to everyone except old timer lawyers who think it'll somehow "protect" their greedy selves and their clients. | |
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Pictor Guy
join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA | undercuts? If we're splitting hairs here Cupertino did the undercutting by 99 cents. Not Redmond. MSFT is overcharging by 99 cents.  | |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | Re: undercuts? WalMart only charges $.88 for songs at 128kbps. | |
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join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA
| Re: undercuts? said by rachelsfx :WalMart only charges $.88 for songs at 128kbps. I was talking about the $249.99 (Zune) vs. the $249.00 (iPod). | |
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TOPDAWG
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join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON | Prices wars need to happen Well lets hope it sells pretty good so Apple is forced to go into price wars with M$.
I mean damn a nice MP3 player is almost as much as a damn PC. | |
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join:2004-03-02
Bourbonnais, IL
| Re: Prices wars need to happen The big selling point for this device in my opinion, is the ability to connect via wireless to other users of the Zune. You can download and share content with other Zune users. Which is pretty neat. If your friend had a song you wanted,you could just connect to his device and download it. | |
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BuriedCaesar
It's Not Polite To Stare.
join:2004-03-27
Richardson, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
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| Re: Prices wars need to happen Whoop-tee-doo. They can keep that song and listen to it for a whopping three days. Then it GOES AWAY.
Won't it be fun when a virus masquerading as a song gets out in the wild and goes looking for available Zunes to infect wirelessly and wipe out entire music libraries! I suppose that'll be a lucrative new market for the happy folks at Symantec...
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| said by Sbrav77 :The big selling point for this device in my opinion, is the ability to connect via wireless to other users of the Zune. You can download and share content with other Zune users. Some very small percentage of buyers will be interested in that. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by TOPDAWG :Well lets hope it sells pretty good so Apple is forced to go into price wars with M$. I mean damn a nice MP3 player is almost as much as a damn PC. it is. you can get an emachines PC at walmart for $248.00[everyday price, no rebates]
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
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join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Strange Very strange on this. NOTICE the release date. Right before the PS3 launch. Guess they couldnt have Gaylo 3 done in time so they will launch this.
Doesnt toshiba also build for a apple too" hardrives right"
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | die, iTunes anything that doesnt use itunes i might have to try... | |
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GilbertMark
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join:2001-05-02
Gilbert, AZ
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| Re: die, iTunes said by Dagda1175 :anything that doesnt use itunes i might have to try... Die Microsoft.
How many viruses, malware and other slop will this player be susceptible to since it is another "fine" Microsoft product?
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
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join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: die, iTunes TWO WORDS....
BLUE SCREEN | |
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join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | Re: die, iTunes Have not had a bluescreen since win98 days, blue screen MS bashing is so..win 98 era :P | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | Re: die, iTunes My XP pro desktop blue screened just last week..... | |
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dispatcher21
join:2004-01-22
united state
1 edit | Use MuvAudio and have no DRM issues. Just get MuvAudio and your DRM problems are gone. www.muvaudio.com | |
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redxii
too big to fail
Premium,Mod
join:2001-02-26
Austin, TX | Ok, but... can the battery be removed? | |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
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join:2005-06-29
clubs: | Re: Ok, but... I would say no unless you unscrew 6 screws i would say.
Hope i doesnt use SONY batteries 
More have been recalled..
FLAMING ZUNE ANYONE? | |
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valuepac0
join:2001-05-30
Santa Monica, CA | Car integration Ill buy one when they have car integration like my ipod has with my Alpine car deck | |
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY
| Re: Car integration said by valuepac0 :Ill buy one when they have car integration like my ipod has with my Alpine car deck fyi, it does have a built in FM Transmitter. not the best, but better than nothing. | |
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join:2001-05-30
Santa Monica, CA
| Re: Car integration said by wwdubbia :said by valuepac0 :Ill buy one when they have car integration like my ipod has with my Alpine car deck fyi, it does have a built in FM Transmitter. not the best, but better than nothing. I know it has a FM transmitter, but my experience with those has not been ideal. Plus i like controlling it with the alpine deck controls | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL | Re: Car integration I agree, the ipod intergration is so much better. I use to have a ITrip and it sucked big time. Then got a Kenwood deck with the ipod hookup and I was in heaven. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Car integration Newer car stereos are coming with USB connections that will not only play the audio of just about any mp3 player that uses USB, but also show the ID3 tags (song title, artist, album, etc). I hear some even pull graphics if they are stored on the player. Pretty soon iPod's claim to fame on exclusive integration on car stereos will be moot. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| shrug, sigh, sniffle, What is so great about another "player" in the PMP world?
If you read the "specs" non-drm codecs are locked down similar to the crappy ipod codecs. So, what has changed? You get a slightly larger screen? Ooooh.
MS is going to have to fight tooth and nail on price/flexability. Another possibility is to "hack" the box to support wider codecs/apps, such as p2p non subscription software and wifi, or the ability to use it as a voip soft-phone, or work with msn messenger, etc. Why is the XBOX 360 gotten such rapid marketshare so soon? | |
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Obliteration
Premium
join:2005-09-18
Somewhere | Doesn't look very pretty.... Seriously if I'm going to dish out $250 for an MP3 it is going to be for one that is good looking.
$250 for a nice looking iPod or $250 for a nasty looking Zune?
Hmmm.... | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| Re: Doesn't look very pretty.... Nasty looking is a matter of preference don't ya think? I personally think the iPod is ugly and although everyone applauds its design I find the design of my DJ to be better particularly since I have dedicated buttons for the controls which means I don't have to look at the darn thing to adjust the volune, pause or forward to a different track. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
·Optimum Online
| Questions? So a "big bright screen", wi-fi, and a hard drive = What kind of battery life?
$99 for a set of cables and a remote?
"Preloaded with content" = "Try AOL for FREE!"
What's the bitrate on the songs in the Zune store?
Only 30GB for a device with a screen that is large enough to watch video content?
The press release is really short on details. I wonder if they have the balls to make it Mac compatible? | |
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@il.us | Re: Questions? Actually I don't thin MS has realeased and allowed that much informaton to be posted. I remember seeing a review (was still more like a preview) that told what file types it would play etc etc but even it was still missing Key info. | |
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Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | Overpriced... and overrated. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| way overpriced. Microsoft says they will lose money on them....I doubt it. Just how hard is it to come up with a little device with a screen, wifi, and 30gb? Not very. Hell you can get an old PPC for less that that and pop in a CF HD.
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| I might be tempted to bite but... It has some good features, but the other person would have to have a zune for you to use it. Not a super big issue as I would think about buying the girlfriend one too.
That isn't a scroll wheel, just looks like one.
So far as I've heard the limites on transfering music wirlessly applies to DRM AND Non DRM music, I don't care to share my music (it could even be free to share or personal sound files) with someone wirelessly if they only get three over three.
It will take musci from iTunes but only non encrypted, I don't care though because I don't use or have iTunes nore an Ipod and I can't stand it and don't like m4a, if I get one I'll be using MP3 and YamiPod
I don't know if this thing supports a mass storage mode, I have about 20 ~ 28 GB of music but I might not load anything that doesn't have a complete tag, I'd like to take the unused space and use it for something else, never know when you might need it.
Lastly I though it was going to be 229, 20 less than the new Ipod price point. now that you don't have to use iTunes and I can throw on my music and play lists how and as I please I'm cool with it. Not only that but they are highly hackable and the have tons of accessories, noticably protective cases. | |
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Midak
Doctors suck
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join:2002-02-26
Yonkers, NY
·Optimum Online
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| The big picture What too many people miss here is that it puts Apple in check and creates competition from a company than can actually go toe-to-toe with the iPod. The whole DRM issue is moot for most...or am I the only one who did not pay 99¢ for each mp3 I have...a little over 20GB worth. I will probably get the iPod after the Zune comes out as I am sure Apple will reduce the price on it again, which they would not be doing if not for the Zune. | |
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