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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD | Microsoft PS3 Why is Microsoft adopting the Sony manufacturing model?
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join:2006-09-27
Deep River, CT
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| Re: Microsoft PS3 What do you mean? The PSP can do pretty much everything the article was complaining the Zune can't do... which is stream music and browse the web (albeit crappily with their proprietary browser) through any WiFi hotspot. The only real gripe I have is that the PSP supports a ridiculously old version of Flash (version 6... I believe it's up to 8 or 9 now on the PC) so it makes sites like YouTube.com and Google Videos worthless. Also, they added the ability to download MPEG-4 videos through an RSS feed but you still can't stream the videos like you can with the MP3s and WMAs. | |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
Ajax, ON | Same old... Is the Zune ripe for a third party Wi-Fi hack?
Thankfully, it is Microsoft in this case. 
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peter_m
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Canada, QC | Re: Same old... Well for all of you who last week didn't understand why I would want to run Linux on the zune... well now do you have a better idea s to why? | |
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pabster
join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA
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| Zune will flop This is no iPod killer.
For the same price as a 30GB Zune you can get a 30GB iPod Video.
The WiFi is worthless, so that negates probably the biggest "hype" feature Zune had going for it.
My prediction is the Zune on clearance in short order. | |
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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| Re: Zune will flop or are they trying to setup something that will create a large underground appeal with alternate firmware. Like the linksys wrt54gs/gl routers? Or even like thier own xbox system with all the things once you redo some of the firmware/software that you can do. Just my 2 cents.
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join:2006-09-27
Deep River, CT | Re: Zune will flop It's Microsoft. Do you honestly expect them to be happy about the mass majority of the market hacking their firmware? | |
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join:2002-04-22 | No Wifi sync? Okay, back to my Iriver | |
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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join:2002-04-22
| Re: Zune will flop said by jgkolt  :or the toshiba gigabeat that too  | |
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join:2006-09-27
Deep River, CT | Re: Interesting I'd be interested in reading up on that or seeing a video of it. Have any links? This sounds like when Bill Gates was releasing Windows 98 and he got the BSOD in front of the entire audience. That was great. | |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | but its not bound to itunes. thats a huge plus to me. i dont dislike the ipod hardware. | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Budd Lake, NJ
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| Re: Zune will flop said by Dagda1175 :but its not bound to itunes. thats a huge plus to me. i dont dislike the ipod hardware. Oddly enough, neither is the iPod.  | |
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join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
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but its not bound to itunes. thats a huge plus to me. i dont dislike the ipod hardware.
Yeah, Zune will be tied to the POS that is WiMP. I'd rather use iTunes any day.
And the WiFi will suck even more since practically nobody will buy the Zune. So you're stuck trying to WiFi.... Nobody.... | |
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Matt
Running Free
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| said by pabster :This is no iPod killer. For the same price as a 30GB Zune you can get a 30GB iPod Video. The WiFi is worthless, so that negates probably the biggest "hype" feature Zune had going for it. My prediction is the Zune on clearance in short order. I'll buy it just because it's NOT an iPod. | |
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join:2001-04-27 | Re: Zune will flop So your basically a tool that will buy a product from a companies competitor to hurt that company? Wow, thats pretty stupid. | |
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join:2002-09-13
Winnetka, CA
| Re: Zune will flop Sounds like you're a tool Monkie boy, why do you think people are using Firefox? To hurt Microsoft. If the users wanted secure, reliable Javascript in their browser they would use IE. But they'll never switch, no matter how unsecure Firefox gets.
I would also buy the Zune despite Apple, down with the evil empire!! | |
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join:2001-04-27
·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: Zune will flop Yeah, thats it to hurt Microsoft, not that its more secure, or has better features, or follows standards better. Go take your VML exploited, ActiveX infected, non-standards compliant, stuck in 2000 browser and have fun with it. Me I'll enjoy the use of <canvas> | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
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join:2000-07-01
Budd Lake, NJ
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| said by fridge2k2 :Sounds like you're a tool Monkie boy, why do you think people are using Firefox? To hurt Microsoft. If the users wanted secure, reliable Javascript in their browser they would use IE. But they'll never switch, no matter how unsecure Firefox gets. I would also buy the Zune despite Apple, down with the evil empire!! And people say Apple has all the zealots and nutjobs. | |
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Matt
Running Free
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Zune will flop said by sporkme :said by fridge2k2 :Sounds like you're a tool Monkie boy, why do you think people are using Firefox? To hurt Microsoft. If the users wanted secure, reliable Javascript in their browser they would use IE. But they'll never switch, no matter how unsecure Firefox gets. I would also buy the Zune despite Apple, down with the evil empire!! And people say Apple has all the zealots and nutjobs. I would say they have the sheep who blindly follow and are force-fed an OS and hardware with no consumer choice.
But that's me.
I just really, REALLY dislike the Apple policy of only allowing one re-download of an iTunes song, so I choose to not use any of their products. Their burn to CD is also terrible as it burns with no CD Text. | |
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crispy
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join:2002-01-12
Oxford, MS
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Zune will flop The reason they only allow one download is because they have to pay the record companies for each download, not just each sale. However, if you have a hardware problem and lose your songs, they will reset your account and let you re-download everything. | |
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Mr Anon
@sbcglobal.net
| Holy crap I had no idea about that! I never wanted to buy DRM music so I never looked into it. That is truely... wrong and very bad.
So you can have I think its upto 5 computers on one Ituens account, and you can send that songs to your Ipod but you can take them from your Ipod back to the PC. So basically you have to use some OTHER means of syncing all your computers because you can't re-download your pruchases?
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Johnny
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join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
| I would say they have the sheep who blindly follow and are force-fed an OS and hardware with no consumer choice.
LOL. Tell me again which OS is the one "force-fed"? The one that comes installed on 95% of the computers? This sounds as lame as the swiftboaters.
They aren't going to give you "choice" of any NewEgg hardware - why would they? They SELL hardware.
But that's me.
A builder and a gamer, right?
I just really, REALLY dislike the Apple policy of only allowing one re-download of an iTunes song, so I choose to not use any of their products. Here's a tip: BACK UP the songs you buy and there won't be any need to whine about "re-downloading" them, even though Apple does let you do that.
Their burn to CD is also terrible as it burns with no CD Text.
Whatever the hell that is. | |
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patiolantern
@bell.ca
| *Sounds like you're a tool Monkie boy, why do you think people are using Firefox? To hurt Microsoft*
*I would also buy the Zune despite Apple, down with the evil empire!!*
Using Firefox doesn't cost 249$ +15$/month, and I've never had problems with it. Also, iPods have been refined over the past five years, being improved. Zune is a rebadging of a player that has already failed on the market.
And the verb you're looking for is 'to spite' not despite. | |
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M A R K
St. Ides Heaven
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join:2001-06-15
Long Island
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| said by Matt :said by pabster :This is no iPod killer. For the same price as a 30GB Zune you can get a 30GB iPod Video. The WiFi is worthless, so that negates probably the biggest "hype" feature Zune had going for it. My prediction is the Zune on clearance in short order. I'll buy it just because it's NOT an iPod. You crazy rebel!
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swanboy
join:2001-01-22
Hollywood, FL | said by pabster :Zune will flop. | |
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| ditka_b
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join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL
·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast
| Or you'll see Ipod owners with both so they aren't tied to itunes and don't have to buy illegal apps to put anything but apples videos on their handhelds. I'll own both that way I can have what I've been missing since I got my video Ipod( That's an awsome device as well) | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: M$ I'll agree with you there. I'm sure there's some hackers already at work and will have WiFi hacked by the end of the day. Remember how quickly hackers turned an X-Box into a cheap PC? | |
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Jameson
1010
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Fallbrook, CA
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c0de
join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA
| appeal i think the zune will be 'cool' once people relize they can load nix on it and actually make use of the wifi. people critisize the xbox and then they hacked it and now they love it!
microsoft puts out hackable products, and for me, there is nothing more fun than cracking it open to see how it works.
on the other hand they do not have the market hold that the ipod does. there are ipod accessories everywhere, even in grocery store endcaps. not to mention all the auto makers that now have the option to have a ipod dock installed that works with the radio and is tucked away in the glovebox/center console. I mean thats a lot of money coming from other companys trying to jump on the ipod craze, and the only reason the big names are doing it this late, is because they are relizing that it dosent matter what ipod you have they all work with the same plug, so it is a reasonable investment for the consumer to buy the 200$ JBL speakers, even if they decide to upgrade thier ipod every month when a new one comes out.
will the zune have a backwards compatible Gen2 ? and can microsoft throw down cash for the branding/marketing it will take to make this thing work? how many generations of the device before it really catches on? | |
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join:2001-02-12
Reisterstown, MD
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·Comcast
| Re: appeal You are almost correct, the first two generations of iPods used a Firewire cable to transfer the data/music, it was not until the third generation that Apple went with the Dock connector. No trying to bust your balls, just pointing out that Apple also did not maintain backwards compatibility.
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TOPDAWG
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join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON | It's future proofing. Well look for the other stuff you want in updated modals. You can't give everyone everything at once or they won't buy a new version in the future. It works for Apple look for M$ to do the same. | |
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JonR800
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join:2003-08-06
Farmington, MI
| Why the sudden backlash? We knew for a long time that it wouldn't let you sync up via Wifi.
Microsoft is taking the same approach to Zune as the Xbox. I don't know why this is so hard to see for everyone. It's called iterative or incremental development.  They had to get this thing out before the holidays.
MS will either release firmware to enable syncing via wifi, or release a future Zune to do so. I believe the firmware update is more likely. Again, same approach as Xbox / Xbox 360. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | outsourced wifi apps to be announced I predict that someone will access the usb mini-b port on the zune to make use of external wifi adapters/drivers which will be wide-open to ported p2p apps/file sharing.
Until this happens, zune's sales will be more of a "flop" than a "hit"! | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
| DRM of the future? said by Shuten Doji :
Hmmm, an "mp3" player that wraps everything that youtransfer to it in DRM, worthless Wi-Fi that doesn't do the things Wi-Fi is expected to be able to do. I think I'll stick with my Zen Vision M.
This latest offering from Microsoft will flop big time,
I predict.
I had to take a look for myself and couldn't believe it. I say what gives them a right to DRM your own home recordings? Just so they can please the RIAA?
Besides, with no Wifi connection to your computer, it will still act like all the other players. Guess Microsoft is not so inventive after all. Wonders if this is the new DRM of the future?
At least Apple respects your own material. | |
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Rob A
Jets 19 - Steelers 16
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | The zune... is kind of useless. | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
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| Don't count yer chickens just yet MS Zune hasn't even come out and yet there are people here that are discounting it as a looser.
OK, yes it's Microsoft and they don't have a stellar reputation.
Apple also has more than a few warts yet they command the Music Player market at the moment.
Will that change? Who knows.
Will Zune beat iPod to a pulp? Nobody knows.
Only time will tell whether one or the other will be better or maybe some unknown company will come out of nowhere and beat the pants off of both of them.
I'll let you know when my Crystal Ball is back from the shop | |
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naranak
join:2006-07-24
Laguna Hills, CA | But they have that snazzy POO colored one!!! What utter (or would that be udder?) genius . . . .
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| ditka_b
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join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | Re: But they have that snazzy POO colored one!!! Aaah to be 12 again and have nothing better to do than attack Microsoft lol. Honestly do you think that's funny? | |
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