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Faster EVDO Revision A deployment, fewer restrictions
(old news - 06:34PM Tuesday Oct 03 2006)
tags: competition · business · wireless
While you may not have even tasted vanilla EVDO yet, EVDO Revision A upgrades potentially offer wireless broadband speeds up to 3.1Mbps downstream and 1.8Mbps upstream. Well, almost; you should see real world downstream speeds from 800kbps to 1.5Mbps (depending on the carrier), with upstream speeds surpassing the 400kbps mark. The most important improvement brought by Revision A is latency: users should see latency drop from 150ms and up to 50ms.

EVDO Revision A network cards are already on the market. We touched on the release of the first Sprint Revision A card, the Novatel Wireless S720, back in August; since then we've seen the release of the Sierra Wireless AirCard 595 and the Pantech PX500 PC modem card. Novatel yesterday noted their full suite of EVDO hardware should be on the market during Q3, and Revision A phones should drop by the end of the year.

There's two major providers offering EVDO: Sprint and Verizon. While they're offering the same technology, there's some significant differences between the two.

Sprint claims that their EV-DO revision A upgrades will be available to around 40 million customers by the end of this year (their EVDO network aims to reach about 200 million customers in that same time-frame). The company hopes to have their wireless network fully upgraded by the end of 2007.

Verizon has offered no timetable for their Revision A upgrade plans. The company is facing a longer timeline than Sprint due to the fact that more than 50% of its network consists of 800mhz towers already feeling network strain (compared to Sprint's full array of 1900mhz towers).

Sprint allows users to connect their laptop cards to the network for $60-$80/month. The company also allows you to tether your phone via USB to your laptop with two plan options - $25/month for 40MB/month (with additional per KB charge), or a $40/month unlimited flat charge if you sign a two year contract. Sprint so far does not prohibit the sharing of bandwidth via the growing number of 3G Wi-Fi routers (previously discussed here).

Verizon also charges users $60-$80/month for laptop card access, but unlike Sprint, requires you also have a voice plan with the company. The company limits what phones you can use to tether, and charges users $45/month for "unlimited" data use, plus a $15/month tethering fee. Verizon prohibits the use of sharing bandwidth via 3G Wi-Fi routers. "When customers use unauthorized devices to share the service, they are in violation of their service agreements," says Verizon spokesperson Brenda Raney.

This is where you begin to see the major difference between the two companies: their terms of service and the actual definition of the word "unlimited". The increased capacity allowed by 1900mhz towers means Sprint (so far) isn't cracking down on users who suck down more than their fair share of bandwidth. In fact their website encourages streaming and other uses.

Verizon Wireless meanwhile, has been sending out warning letters to customers who gobble up more than 5 gigs a month. The company's TOS prohibit everything but e-mail and browsing, and company execs have hinted they may replace the "unlimited" tag with metered use.

There's no doubt that Sprint is beating Verizon to the punch when it comes to EVDO and EVDO Revision A. They're deploying the technology more quickly, with better prices, and fewer restrictions. Obviously that doesn't mean Verizon Wireless can't catch up down the road.

Those interested in seeing if they can get either, can find the Sprint coverage map and zip-code qualifier here, and Verizon's here (check BroadbandAccess in the menu). Also check out (and contribute to) our Sprint and Verizon Wireless speed tests.

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jgkolt
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Competition is good.

I am not a big supporter of the original evdo service but revision A should address some of the problems. Even though I had good speeds according to verizon my ping was slow and i really could not stream at all. I went over the 5 gig a month rule but never received a letter. I like verizon way better than sprint so this competition is good. Verizon's weakness was they didn't want you to tether originally, and the higher costs. When it comes to network upgrades ALREADY even though they just released evdo service not that long ago will push verizon to keep up. This just proves that competition is good for the consumer and breeds innovation, and ultimately the consumer gets a better product.
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LordObento

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Re: Competition is good.

Unlimited has different meanings... what exactly are they offering? Unlimited Data or unlimited airtime to access the data network. I think this is where the confusion arises.

Cybery

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Re: Competition is good.

Sprint offer is Unlimited data and unlimited airtime. Sprint is the way to go.

en102
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Good for them

I've mentioned it before... its the old 'KISS' style. Keep it simple stupid.
Sprint has all 1900 MHz sites and requires only one frequency to work with, and doesn't have to slice up spectrum and reinvent the wheel to make it happen. Having 850/1900 in an area isn't a bad thing...it just increases the cost (dual frequency radios for everything), and having to slice up the network to balance it correctly for use. The only thing that Sprint could do better, is offer more coverage than urban/interstate.

As a user on a Cingular 850/1900 network, I can tell that 850 gets clobbered with use as the signal is typically stronger in any given area than its 1900 MHz counter part, leading to garbled AMR-half rate calls. As a Motorola user, disabling AMR-half rate is an easy thing though

I expect VZW/Cingular to be stubborn on the TOS for a while as far as data goes

jgkolt
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October 3rd, @02:31PM

Re: Good for them

Well hearing that Sprint maintains only the 1900 frequency what does Verizon maintain?
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N3OGH
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Re: Good for them

Quoted from the article posted on BBR.

"Verizon has offered no timetable for their Revision A upgrade plans. The company is facing a longer timeline than Sprint due to the fact that more than 50% of its network consists of 800mhz towers already feeling network strain (compared to Sprint's full array of 1900mhz towers)."

Not to come off as a wise ass or anything, but it is right there....
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shoan

join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR

Re: Good for them

ok could I buy some sort of adapter to hook this up to my home desktop and use this for internet access vs dial up or satalite. Wild blue is not selling in our area due to overloading or what not right now and no dsl or cable
shoan

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Benton, AR

Re: Good for them

so was the poast deleted due to telling me how to do it or was there an a hole being a jerk. Still curious to know if ther is anyway to use this on a desktop?

ilikesprint

@144.226.x.x

Re: Good for them

There are wireless modems/routers now that you pop an evdo card into and you can support 1-5 users or desktop, laptop etc, you should check your coverage first, then research, Linksys, Junxion, Airlink routers to see if this is what you need - is definitely supported by Sprint if the wireless coverage is there

SPRINTMAN

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Hey,

There will be a Linksys router hitting the market shortly that will allow you to plug the air card in the top and allow you to access the internet. I think it will have up to five ports on the back.
jgfrase
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Re: Good for them

I have that Linksys Router, I have 3 Laptop on WiFi acess to it. works. got it on Sprint.com ($249.00) . Warning Pantech 500 RevA dont work in it, Had to Merlin S720 to work.

TK Junk Mail
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October 3rd, @04:18PM

said by shoan See Profile :

ok could I buy some sort of adapter to hook this up to my home desktop and use this for internet access vs dial up or satalite. Wild blue is not selling in our area due to overloading or what not right now and no dsl or cable
Sure it can be done. But it would be a costly option if you use the connection very much. Sprint would be a better deal than Verizon. But you should check the coverage maps linked in the BBR story to see if your zip code is even covered for wireless broadband.
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shoan

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Re: Good for them

we are covered by their wireless broadband but would you think it is really that costly when I only have the choice of 24.4 k dial up and hugesnet sat internet. Seems like about 80 dollars a month would not be that bad if my only other choice would be around the same price with a sat. going with sprint of course

TK Junk Mail
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Re: Good for them

said by shoan See Profile :

we are covered by their wireless broadband but would you think it is really that costly when I only have the choice of 24.4 k dial up and hugesnet sat internet. Seems like about 80 dollars a month would not be that bad if my only other choice would be around the same price with a sat. going with sprint of course
That depends on how much you use it. If Sprint and they don't cap you, you could use quite a lot of bandwidth. If Verizon, you'd have to make sure you followed their terms of service and weren't using it to stream music or videos, etc. or they could drop you. The cost is reasonable if it fulfills your requirements and you can afford it.
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shoan

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Re: Good for them

my main use is playing World of Warcraft and watching the occasional goofy you tube video or break video other than that just basic surfing.

JPNYC

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Sprint now has phones that connect to computer via USB and it will give you EVDO speeds. The new 7130E blackberry and the new 700 Treos have this capability. When you have the unlimited plan for wireless it comes out inexpensive since you can use the phone as well.

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said by shoan See Profile :

ok could I buy some sort of adapter to hook this up to my home desktop and use this for internet access vs dial up or satalite.
All you need is a PCI PC Card adapter ($20 or so)...

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Majestik
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said by shoan See Profile :

ok could I buy some sort of adapter to hook this up to my home desktop and use this for internet access vs dial up or satalite. Wild blue is not selling in our area due to overloading or what not right now and no dsl or cable
Sprint is coming out with a EVDO Rev A USB Modem soon.
This thing will work on a Desktop pc,tablet,notebook,UMPC,or anything else with a USB port.

»www.evdoinfo.com/EVDO_Products/P···0920827/
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You can buy a pci to pcmi card adapter for your pc

jgkolt
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well there is the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 I wasn't sure what else may be there. It also does not specify if and what different frequencies they use for data or voice and if there is a difference.
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en102
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Re: Good for them

850/1900 are frequencies licensed for cellular (850) and pcs (1900) communications. Both are used for voice and data.

Here's a overview
»tk.com/wireless/800cell.html
»tk.com/wireless/1900pcs.html

And here's an older breakdown
»www.wirelesswavelength.com/

The issue with 850 MHz band is total amount of spectrum
850 there's 'only' 12.5 MHz base/12.5MHz mobile on A and B licenses. Those that currently have 850 MHz licenses MUST use a portion for Analog service, as required by FCC.

1900 there's 'only' 65 MHz base/65MHz mobile.

Eg. having an 850 MHz license + 10 MHz of PCS is not always as manageable as having the same amount all in the same band. Having to run analog service + having to slice up the spectrum doesn't always work well.

Eg. 35 MHz of PCS on something such as PCS will make 35 MHz of evenly distributed spectrum. Breaking it up into 25 MHz of 850 and another 10 MHz of PCS doesn't work quite as nice.

On PCS,

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said by N3OGH See Profile :

Quoted from the article posted on BBR.

"Verizon has offered no timetable for their Revision A upgrade plans. The company is facing a longer timeline than Sprint due to the fact that more than 50% of its network consists of 800mhz towers already feeling network strain (compared to Sprint's full array of 1900mhz towers)."

Not to come off as a wise ass or anything, but it is right there....
No time table as in no date established (Like October 2007 or something) I guess you missed that

Theobserver

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The real question is, Is Sprint sharing that 1900mhz bandwidth with voice and data? If that's the case, then wei'll see how long it is before that network shuts down.

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The laws of physics, with regard to radio signals, dictate that the lower frequency will provide better coverage in areas where there are terrain obstructions. My 850 coverage is acceptable here in the hills of CT, but the 1900 coverage is strictly wherever a cell tower is visible. If I can't see the tower, the phone shows no service.

wifi4milez
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Who is getting 150ms now?

As a long time user of EVDO, I can tell you that I have never received anywhere close to 150ms on Sprint or Verizon. I typically see 500ms or so (507 in the test I just ran). I would personally consider 150 to be an upgrade, and 50ms would be fantastic! 50ms = mobile VoIP in my book.
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iNFEKT

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Re: Who is getting 150ms now?

I've been getting 150-200ms on sprints evdo for quite a while.

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Re: Who is getting 150ms now?

said by iNFEKT See Profile :

I've been getting 150-200ms on sprints evdo for quite a while.
You are lucky. I have never received anything below 300ms anywhere in the country using Sprint or Verizon.
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cpayne5

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Re: Who is getting 150ms now?

I consistently get sub 300ms on 1xrtt. Sub 200ms in ideal conditions.
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iNFEKT

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I'd guess it has something to do with living in NYC

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Re: Who is getting 150ms now?

said by iNFEKT See Profile :

I'd guess it has something to do with living in NYC
I guess so, however I have used it in NYC, Boston, LA, Miami, Dallas, Denver, and San Diego with the same results. Actually, I was getting 900ms+ on some tests with Verizon in LA!
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Michieru
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Good, but I still expect more from Sprint although I am not a investor I still listen to there conferences to see of any new information I can get my hands on. But not only that the investors seem to be asking most of the questions that people ask here on BBR and the CEO is responding with these solutions and they are actually doing something about it.

So is Sprint's decisions influenced by smart investors? Most likely but there just a piece of the puzzle. Sprint said they will be bringing more choices and this is what they mean by that.

Verizon is seeing things heat up in the Wireless arena and they are going to respond back with new things as well. But Sprint has the upper hand because of all the spectrum they own and all the latest gear. So there in a better position than Verizon is at this point but Verizon has cash to throw around and they can catch up I am sure.

Not only that Sprint-Nextel has the government on there side and there biggest buyer, so they also have a steady cash flow. The battle between Verizon and Sprint is going to be fierce. Cingular seems to be still slowly entering in the game, they have the most customers though so they have cash to throw around. I just hope that this trend continues because this might be the start of a wireless market boom.

Maybe companies are finally realizing that it's easier to simply install one cell site in an area that covers a good 4-8 miles radius where they can not only provide voice but broadband services as well instead of wasting money laying phone line or copper wiring all over the place.

But Verizon seems to be stuck in FIOS which is a good thing I assume since they know everyone want's to market wireless broadband as the next big thing if there is not a big migration towards it they will have control of all the landline market. Cable is the only competitor here for FIOS but they need to get those network upgrades and increase speeds.

If this pace continues for let's say a decade we won't be as far as behind on the broadband market as we thought we would be. I think the big guys got the picture but don't expect it to be cheap. The network is there but you have to pay up for higher prices. Unless competition stays put then we would see a decrease in prices across the board while the telco's might begin to eliminate POTS.

In short it's time to move on.
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