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Net-Neutrality, AT&T-BellSouth Merger
Neutrality concession not much of a concession...
by Karl Bode 04:48PM Monday Oct 16 2006
After last Friday's AT&T BellSouth merger vote delay, the FCC today issued a list of AT&T's proposed merger concessions, and seeks public input (see Public Notice Erratum pdf) on the merger. Included in AT&T's list of potential concessions are the adherence to the FCC's network neutrality principles for 30 months post-merger. Internet News touches on how network neutrality was a late addition to AT&T's list of potential conditions, submitted later in a second letter to the FCC; delayed, according to AT&T, due to a "word processing error."

The problem with listing the FCC's network neutrality principles as a "concession" is that those principles are simply guidelines, and are not legally binding. Other suggested concessions by AT&T include the launch of at least 10 wireless broadband trials in the 2.3 GHz and 2.5 GHz bands by the end of 2007, and the offering of naked DSL for up to 30 months after the merger is approved.

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MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

why 30 month?

why net neutrality and naked dsl only for 30month?

53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone

join:2002-10-02
PwnZone

Re: why 30 month?

anyone wanna take bets on how long until at&t merges with verizon and qwest?
bamabrad

join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL

30 MONTHS!?

It should be" untill ATT redeems itself! ( A LOOOOOONG Time)
bamabrad

join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL

Re: 30 MONTHS!?

Or how about " month to month" ?

MxxCon

join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY

Re: 30 MONTHS!?

month to month would be too taxing for fcc to review att's actions
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tkdslr

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said by bamabrad:

It should be" untill ATT redeems itself! ( A LOOOOOONG Time)
Or until the monopoly is broken up again.

The neutrality conditions should also set the price to resellers, below the lowest dsl combo minus voice sevice costs&profits they're imposing on retail customers.

And it should require that the service be offered in a pure bridged atm format. (And not the PPPoX over Bridged, which often impacts connectivity and reliability.)

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The Baby bells are leveraging DSL service in order to maintain voice circuit monopoly. (Cable co's are doing the same.. Standalone Inet access significantly more expensive than with TV service bundles.) It's time for this little scam to end.

ispjournalist

@internet.com
A good question: who would buy naked DSL if they knew they'd get cut off after 30 months? Who'd invest in a business plan that depended on offering under a third party brand name like EarthLink?
McWizzard

join:2001-06-01
Plymouth, MI

Net_Neutrality, Naked DSL

They should be required to offer "naked DSL" in ALL their server areas within 6 months of the merger and for a period of not less than 30 months. Further, the "naked DSL" pricing should be the same as like dsl package prices being marketed for their existing packages.

One service should not be "tied" to another service offering (dsl & voice) nor should one service subsidize another service offering.

As for Net Neutrality, I'd be fine if they were restricted from blocking or limiting any existing IP service curently existing on the net. Thus, if they choose to offer VoIP 6 months from now, that's OK, but you can't block my existing 3rd party VoIP just because it's not your offering.

dslextreme2
Premium
join:2001-02-23
Canoga Park, CA

Re: Net_Neutrality, Naked DSL

I agree with your stance 100%.

Net Neutrality + Same Price Naked DSL.
Dark_Fiber
Here We Go Again.

join:2004-06-13
Saint Charles, MO
said by McWizzard:

They should be required to offer "naked DSL" in ALL their server areas within 6 months of the merger and for a period of not less than 30 months. Further, the "naked DSL" pricing should be the same as like dsl package prices being marketed for their existing packages.

One service should not be "tied" to another service offering (dsl & voice) nor should one service subsidize another service offering.
Typical response...and no mention to the fact that the cable companies require you to pay for their TV service or pay a higher rate for cable modem.

Let the AT&T bashing begin.

LilYoda
Feline with squirel personality disorder
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Mountains

Re: Net_Neutrality, Naked DSL

At least with Cable you get the option to buy Internet service only. It's only a $5 increase a month, so that'e about 10% compared to the $50 subscription fee (that's the numbers I remember from when I was doing this with Charter)

With Bellsouth, good luck getting a DSL only line... I tried when I was still in Georgia, only speakeasy was delivering naked DSL...
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jackoffjill

@bellsouth.net
Who Say's they are not going to offer naked dsl?I think they will.I think they will do away with all there narowband,and only have broadband,and give you a choice to have v.o.i.p.

dslextreme2
Premium
join:2001-02-23
Canoga Park, CA

Re: Net_Neutrality, Naked DSL

They are REQUIRED to offer naked DSL under the ATT SBC merger agreement. The issue is that they are not required to provide it at a specific price point.

At this point they offer you naked DSL, but it is not any less expensive than naked DSL + a phone line so what's the point of offering it to begin with?

hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
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YAWN..

wake me up when this crap with them is over.

When its done and final then i will take it the way it is.

morbo
Complete Your Transaction

join:2002-01-22
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grow a pair, FCC


30 months?
not even legally binding?

wtf is this shit.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: grow a pair, FCC

said by morbo:

30 months?
not even legally binding?

wtf is this shit.
America.

powerhog
Stinkin' up the joint
Premium
join:2000-12-14
Owasso, OK

Ummm...

Their "concessions" are that they agree to follow FCC guidelines for 30 months?!?

Aren't they already supposed to be following these rules and guidelines?
Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL

No divestiture

I see that AT&T did not offer to divest their overlapping spectrum with Bellsouth as a concession. I'm hopeful that the Dems on the FCC will hold out for that one.

On a positive note, AT&T did concede that they will deploy broadband to 100% of their service area by the end of 2007 as a condition for approval. 85% through wireline and 15% through fixed wireless.

mixdup

join:2003-06-28
Calera, AL
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Re: No divestiture

as long as fixed wireless does not mean satellite. I live less than a mile away from the end of DSL and cable availability, and cable is never coming and DSL has been pushed back for 3 years. As long as we get around the same speeds and latency as DSL, then I'm all for it.
Zoder

join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL

Re: No divestiture

Fixed wireless would be solutions like WiMAX, not satellite.

KoolMoe
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join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
Just as the old radio spectrum licensing was, if you don't use the license for a given amount of spectrum within, say, 1 year, you must give up that spectrum back to the pool.
The fear that AT&T will hold onto its spectrum without putting it to use is very real, however potentially foolish.
KM
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: No divestiture

said by KoolMoe:

Just as the old radio spectrum licensing was, if you don't use the license for a given amount of spectrum within, say, 1 year, you must give up that spectrum back to the pool.
The fear that AT&T will hold onto its spectrum without putting it to use is very real, however potentially foolish.
KM
ATT will probably only build in populated areas (areas with DSL/cable) for max returns, then claim poverty and scream its unfair to be required to offer service with that spectrum, and get a indefinite wavier.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1
said by Zoder:

I see that AT&T did not offer to divest their overlapping spectrum with Bellsouth as a concession. I'm hopeful that the Dems on the FCC will hold out for that one.

On a positive note, AT&T did concede that they will deploy broadband to 100% of their service area by the end of 2007 as a condition for approval. 85% through wireline and 15% through fixed wireless.
Satellite is "fixed" and "wireless".
zewl

join:2002-09-29
Roswell, GA

Why 30 months?

Why not allow AT&T to compete with the broadband providers? If you don't like bundled DSL pricing, then don't buy it. There are alternatives. Competition will drive AT&T to offer naked DSL if the bundled pricing is not meeting a need. Choice is a good thing. Lack of choices (i.e., cable franchise) is stifling.

KoolMoe
Aw Man
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join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD

Re: Why 30 months?

What are the viable alternatives?

lewtwofl

@bellsouth.net
>> Why not allow AT&T to compete with the broadband providers? If you don't like bundled DSL pricing, then don't buy it. There are alternatives.

You obviously do not live in Bellsouth's current service area. There are not alternatives ... not in DSL. Do you alternative broadband. The only alternative to DSL is bundled cable service.
GhostDoggy

join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA

How about no oversubscription of their wide-area network?

And then force this application both on their matured ATM network and their new Ethernet network. Currently, its not so surprising to see 500-1000% and higher oversubscription rates on a trunk, which often leads to bad things.

Then bind this notion to the net-neitrality cause. And free cake, too!