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The continuing quest for non-annoying DRM
(old news - 12:58PM Tuesday Oct 17 2006)
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We recently observed how surprising it was to see the content execs at Disney realize that broadband piracy was not just a menace to be quashed, but a measuring stick for their legit services. If these services aren't cheap, easy, and full-featured, a larger chunk of users will turn to Bit Torrent. This week the MPAA's CTO Brad Hunt had his own realization: "I understand that if we frustrate the consumer, they will simply pirate the content." He then goes on to explore how the MPAA is pushing for some degree of DRM interoperability (Torrent Freak, Extreme Tech).

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thender2
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He realizes he will anger the customer...

but he chooses DRM, low bitrate, low quality, high price distribution systems anyway.

He doesn't realize a thing.

Minister

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Fleeting

Re: He realizes he will anger the customer...

It will only take them 10 years or so to realize DRM is destined to fail, and replace it with a more creative profit solution.
nasadude

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Re: He realizes he will anger the customer...

"interoperable DRM" is an oxymoron, like "military intelligence"
jsouth
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One word response here

Duh!

Grail Knight
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The Age of Enlightenment?

What an easy concept they do not grasp.

Lower the price, offer better content and they will come.
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rachelsfx

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment?

said by Grail Knight See Profile :

What an easy concept they do not grasp.

Lower the price, offer better content and they will come.
For once, I actually agree with that statement.

Even if it had some DRM, most consumers would buy it if it made cent$.

Movie downloads you can't burn should be $.99. Maybe half the price of DVD if at DIVX quality.

Kilroy
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There are some artists that get it. Take a look at Barenaked Ladies. Not only a great name for marketing (how many clicked just 'cause it said naked?) When Napster was the rage, they fought back. They released teaser tracks, 30 seconds of song with a minute of buy our new album. Their Everything to Everyone DVD/CD set they specifically say that they are, "competing with free". They know that. But at the same time they push out unprotected MP3 content. You can go to one of their concerts and buy the concert that you went to in MP3 format for around $12. Their new album Barenaked Ladies are me is available on MP3 and a special edition USB jumpdrive. They get it and I will give them my hard earned cash to support a group that "gets it".
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment?

Agreed some artists do get but I was just referring to the topic of the thread.

There are many shows I have gone to over the long years and purchased legit cds afterwards for the amount or less you mentioned.
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Fatal Vector

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment?



Ah! I see it's time for the obligatory MPAA/RIAA DRM thread that basically says nothing new so the myriads here can post the same whining once again and let it all hang out.
Talis

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment?

said by Fatal Vector See Profile :

...so the myriads here can post the same whining once again and let it all hang out.
Including you it seems.

Fatal Vector

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment?

'Including you it seems."

Wowwww. You ARE just so cleverrrrr.

But the trouble with your cleverrrrrness is what I said was a ststement of an apparent fact and had nothing to do with whining.

Good try, though. Maybe next time?

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Certainly my statement was not whining but then again you may have just been interjecting your thought on the thread itself.
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Fatal Vector

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment?

No. I was not referring to you personally or your post directly.

Grail Knight
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Re: The Age of Enlightenment?

Did not think so.

rachelsfx

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Unfortunately, not all bands have that luxury.

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Re: The Age of Enlightenment?

said by rachelsfx See Profile :

Unfortunately, not all bands have that luxury.
True: only the bands that had an f'ing clue when they signed their record "deals" and could retain enough control to do it. It's not like the things mentioned are terribly expensive: certainly less expensive than losing sales, completely.

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An easy, workable, foolproof DRM system is the key

The MPAA is right in trying to get a DRM standard that is interoperable across platforms and device types. If the DRM software was basically invisible to the user while allowing content to be viewed and easily transferred to PC, DVD player, & portable devices then they would get many more people to pay for their products. They certainly have the clout to pressure the device makers to agree to a standard. They should spend most of their lobbying money to make that happen.
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Re: An easy, workable, foolproof DRM system is the key

1) No DRM will ever be foolproof.
2) They don't want people to inter-operate. The can sell more stuff that way and control who can view the content.
3) They CANNOT charge the same amount of money as the physical media. The production charge is virtually nothing, and the distribution charge is a fraction.
4) They cannot cripple the quality.

Fix these things, and people will come around. Their control is over. Adopt, or die.

puritan

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Agreed. I will not purchase any digital music until I know I can transfer it to new/different devices. This Crap with I-Tunes, Play4sure and whatnot does not cut it. I don't want trapped into one compaines players and service. The *AAs need to set the standard and make it available to all users. Though I doubt they will make it of good quality and easily transportable to new devices.
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Yeah, good luck with that.

Funny thing is Hilary Rosen wrote an article criticizing her iPod because she could only buy music from the Apple iTunes store OR buy the CD. This was AFTER she left the RIAA. She had the power to try and get a universal DRM scheme but didn't.

Also, this would require both Apple and Microsoft to agree to a standard. FAT CHANCE IN HELL!!!!! Bill and Steve would rather pummel each other with baseball bats than agree on a standard. Right now, iPod is the big boy on the market.

What the record companies would need to do is literally pull all material from every online music store until both sides agreed to a standard. Might as well as for world peace while you are at it.

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Re: An easy, workable, foolproof DRM system is the key


Oh guys, Uncle Billy has got all that covered with Windows Vista .......

He is my hero ..... after all, he is gonna make it to where "ALL SOFTWARE and HARDWARE" that is ran on a Vista machine be an Authentic Microsoft Certified offering or it won't run.

No more BETA testing all you BETA Test lovers, Uncle Billy and M$ are out to save the planet and make Piracy only a "Fleeting Memory" (Fleet is about right).

Uncle Billy says, "don't worry your tiny heads my little unwashed children, I am here to save you and all companies on the Planet Earth and this time I don't even care about the money, I am in it to save you because I Care".

MUWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAA

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said by LiamJunket See Profile :

The MPAA is right in trying to get a DRM standard that is interoperable across platforms and device types. If the DRM software was basically invisible to the user while allowing content to be viewed and easily transferred to PC, DVD player, & portable devices then they would get many more people to pay for their products. They certainly have the clout to pressure the device makers to agree to a standard. They should spend most of their lobbying money to make that happen.
Why would they want that when they can get people to pay for the same content on different platforms. Platform interoperability is basically MULTIPLE COPIES to be purchased by the consumer to the MPAA.

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Re: An easy, workable, foolproof DRM system is the key

said by TechieZero See Profile :

said by LiamJunket See Profile :

The MPAA is right in trying to get a DRM standard that is interoperable across platforms and device types. If the DRM software was basically invisible to the user while allowing content to be viewed and easily transferred to PC, DVD player, & portable devices then they would get many more people to pay for their products. They certainly have the clout to pressure the device makers to agree to a standard. They should spend most of their lobbying money to make that happen.
Why would they want that when they can get people to pay for the same content on different platforms. Platform interoperability is basically MULTIPLE COPIES to be purchased by the consumer to the MPAA.
They know people won't pay more than once for a movie. So it is in their best interest to make sure what they buy can work on multiple devices. Look for the MPAA to push vendors to make that happen.
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Re: An easy, workable, foolproof DRM system is the key

said by LiamJunket See Profile :

They know people won't pay more than once for a movie. So it is in their best interest to make sure what they buy can work on multiple devices. Look for the MPAA to push vendors to make that happen.
However, they are just fine with trying to limit our ability to take the one copy that we DID purchase, and play it on another device, such as a PC, or other portable device, WITHOUT the original media. I only get the one copy, I'm going to protect it.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

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Whoa! You're obviously living on 'planet conservative'. You are posting outrageous fallacies about what the **AssAsses want. They most certainly do NOT WANT the user to 'purchase it once'. They want the user to have to PAY EVERY TIME they listen to a song, or watch a movie. They wanted DiVX (the circuit city fiasco) to work, where you bought the movie for 5.00, and had to pay 5.00 every time you wanted to watch it again.

They think that you only 'RENT' the music/movies. In their minds, they OWN it, and you have to pay, every single time, if you want to enjoy it.

Want proof? Why does the RIAssAsses sue restaurants that play music? Because they are greedy bastards. Why does the MPAssASses sue grandma? Because they are greedy bastards.

Lets be real. The movie industry, and the music industry, both believe you are STEALING when you watch a movie, or listen to a song. They FIRMLY BELIEVE that you have NO RIGHT to listen to music, unless you compensate them EVERY TIME.

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"easy,workable,foolproof DRM" is even more of an oxymoron than "military intelligence"

or "interoperable DRM" for that matter.
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when in doubt break the DRM and copy away. as long as its for personal use only its totally legal as copies for personal use are a right given by US copyright laws.
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said by LiamJunket See Profile :

If the DRM software was basically invisible to the user while allowing content to be viewed and easily transferred to PC, DVD player, & portable devices then they would get many more people to pay for their products.
I honestly think that this is precisely what consumers do not want. Software that operates on their computers without their knowledge has a name: Spyware. Whether or not it has any malicious intent, people want to know what they're running, and when software circumvents that desire it immediately earns distrust.

DRM is an unfortunate reality. People are inherently untrustworthy and therefore must be restricted as to how they can use multimedia content. If people were inherently trustworthy and didn't illegally distribute content, DRM would be a moot point.

It's the fault of the public that DRM exists. It was consumers that circumvented copyrights. It was consumers that sought out illegal copies of copyrighted material. It was consumers that turned around and made that illegal content available to others illegally. Until consumers act proactively to eliminate the illegal practice of content piracy we will continue to see DRM.
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Take Over

Limiting fairuse, educational use, and private use deffinately frustrates this user. A few others reports here have also said that they have to view piracy as a source of competition... something that might help them in the long run. Quit trying to protect... find better ways to SERVE, not restrict the user. They may find that by doing that they have a friendlier crowd.

They can start by cleaning up BluRay and HDDVD on computers (HDCP... DVI... HDMI to name a few)
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izy
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oh please! the logic kills me!

I'm frustrated at high gas prices, I guess I'll just go steal it next time I need some.

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DOESN'T MATTER.

Sorry but they are wasting their time. The people getting movies off torrents want free not cheap. The vast majority of torrent users don't want to pay. The should concentrate on making it easier to get good quality movies ,easily online for a decent price for mom/pop and forget about torrent users. There is nothing they can do to please them unless it starts with FREE.
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here's a thought.

stop producing crappy content that people find to be mind-numbing drivel and you won't get people that will pirate your crappy product only to realize that they feel so much better by not hashing their hard earned money into your pockets for a sub-standard sack of crap called your product.

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Re: here's a thought.

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

stop producing crappy content that people find to be mind-numbing drivel and you won't get people that will pirate your crappy product only to realize that they feel so much better by not hashing their hard earned money into your pockets for a sub-standard sack of crap called your product.
If the product is crappy, then why spend the time downloading it? Why watch or listen to it if it sucks? Sorry, but that excuse is as lame as they come.
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Re: here's a thought.

I beleive his point was that it makes more sense to dl the crappy stuff for free to see if its crappy or not. As in, Bill downloads Movie A, he watches it, thinks it sucks, doesnt buy it.
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said by Nightfall See Profile :

said by Asmodeus See Profile :

stop producing crappy content that people find to be mind-numbing drivel and you won't get people that will pirate your crappy product only to realize that they feel so much better by not hashing their hard earned money into your pockets for a sub-standard sack of crap called your product.
If the product is crappy, then why spend the time downloading it? Why watch or listen to it if it sucks? Sorry, but that excuse is as lame as they come.
it's exactly as boogeyman put it. this type of content is held in secret, in general before the general public gets to sample it. be it a movie or music. I can't hear it or watch it unless I've paid for the privilege of doing so. Outside of that, I have no other way of judging for myself on whether this product is worthy of my hard earned dollar or not. So if i can sample this product, even at a diminished level and i find it worthy, then I'll consider that it is worth my money and go out and see it or buy it to listen to it over and over again.

Right now, that's just not the case in much of entertainment. I can go to a grocery store and see the quality of produce as a tangible product and decide if i want to spend my money on it or not. With intangible media, I don't have that luxury, therefore my only avenue of seeing or sampling this product is to actually download it and use my judgement on whether its for me.

Just because technology happens to take advantage of the digital medium that these products are inherently made under doesn't give those who produce it the right withhold my ability to judge whether or not i choose to acquire it. now you could make the argument that i don't have to view or see movies or music and that would be a viable argument. However, i am making the choice to use a technology to bring to me something that normally i would have to pay for sight-unseen which is by itself a ridiculous notion. Would you buy a diamond ring over the internet without ever seeing it? you could, but you would be a fool. the same goes for movies or music. I have no other way to judge for myself, so i have to use whatever facility is at hand to bring it to me.

I just want to be as explicitly clear as possible about this. I'm not condoning piracy, nor am I supporting those against piracy. this is an issue of how producers of this medium and entertainment need to bridge the divide by being able to have potential customers get a chance to know what the product is and not be on the wrong side of the law. i think they have a golden opportunity here, but the problem is, is that their bottom lines will be affected.

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Who doesn't ....

use Limewire? I'm yet to think of one song that I couldn't find on Limewire..... awesome P2P

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I hope the MPAA frustrates the Hell out of Pirates

That way they can lock all the scumbags in prison where they belong.

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Re: I hope the MPAA frustrates the Hell out of Pirates

TAYLOR!! Hey. Do you like nachos? I'm looking for a place that makes awesome nachos. There is this one restaurant called Pappasitos here in town that make awesome nachos, but they are expensive. Do you know any good nachos that aren't that expensive?

EDIT: By the way you are a bit late for the party. Where were you?

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Re: I hope the MPAA frustrates the Hell out of Pirates

He needs to reverse the order of his trollposted title.
Rather than the MPAA frustrating "pirates" it's the other
way around.

And he also needs to stop drinking the industry Kool-aid.
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Hmm Kinda

While on the one hand, this gentleman is correct in that their legal mechanism needs to be easy and priced competitively, that is only half of the battle.

The pirating mechanisms MUST NOT BE easy and full featured and reliable.

So while offering the nice and easy legal alternative, you still must squash the "easy" pirate channels.
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Re: Hmm Kinda

said by Jehu See Profile :

The pirating mechanisms MUST NOT BE easy and full featured and reliable.

So while offering the nice and easy legal alternative, you still must squash the "easy" pirate channels.
Pray tell, how would this be done? In the Internet age when computing power gets exponentially greater and cheaper, when communications are getting better and easier, how do you suppose this would be ever achieved?

That is about the extent of it.

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Re: Hmm Kinda

It is currently being achieved.. that is what the RIAA and MPAA are doing that everyone hates... killing Napster and anything else that becomes popular.

EDIT: Killing piracy is not a realistic goal and the anti-piracy organizations know this.

The realistic, achievable goal is to keep piracy at sketchy mechanism within "acceptable" bounds, like IRC channels.

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Re: Hmm Kinda

I can't really agree.

IMHO, "easy" or "sketchy" online is really not that different. It's just that a lot of people do not know about Usenet or IIRC or Torrent.

All Napster did was publicity. And they got all the publicity by word of mouth and later on by the *AAs.

Just look what the Napster lawsuit brought - dozens of new networks and P2P apps.

What happened when they had the Pirate Bay raid? They came back with even more hits on their search engine.

Their system is broken. There is no realistic way to fix it with the conditions they want or 99 cent songs, DRM, low bitrate and the rest. Just no way. They can thank Apple and Apple's marketing department for a temporary respite from not having any competition to pirating.

Fatal Vector

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"that is what the RIAA and MPAA are doing that everyone hates... killing Napster and anything else that becomes popular."

Ummmm...Is that why WinMX is back up and just as good as ever? Weren't they "killed" by the RIAA? I notice that most of the WinMX connections are through Japan...Hmmmm. THAT will make it a bit harder for the RIAA, wont it?

Imagine.
Goldman

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Non-annoying DRM?

Isn't DRM annoying by definition?

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Re: Non-annoying DRM?

said by Goldman See Profile :

Isn't DRM annoying by definition?
I guess as much as being robbed blind is annoying by definition, yes
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I recently purchased the first Dune movie on DVD. I found I could not play it on my computer because of DRM issues. this really pissed me off. I watch most of my DVD on the Computer because of the monitor's higher resolution. The fact I will never know if a DVD I purchase is going to play on my system is going to affect my purchases of such media in the future. As for Bit Torrent yes I use it but only to download British documentaries like Time Team, which are not available either on US television or on DVD.
I have zero interest in pirating Hollywood garbage.
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DRM sucks

I'm nearly positive they would make a lot more money in the long run if they just didn't bother with DRM at all. I'll vow to never buy anything with DRM I can't get around, it's just too much of a hassle. I'm willing to buy stuff but not if I can't use it how I want to.

bentman78
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Re: DRM sucks

this goes for music as well. I'd pay 99 cents a track from iTunes...but because of DRM I don't. I buy from other outlets and encourage friends and family to do the same.
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Certain mindset

Why don't they think of ways to get people to buy there products instead of thinking of ways for people not to buy there products. I guess when you have a mindset that everyone is a criminal then your going to lose out.

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why doesn't the industry try

Why doesn't the **AA's try and give the consumer what they want, that is high quality rips at reasonable prices, at good fast speeds? Speaking as someone who has downloaded television shows via p2p methods, I can say exactly why I download them that way.
Firstly, I get them fairly fast, and if I download via usenet servers, I can always max my 10mbit downstream pipe. Secondly, I live on the west coast, and in some cases, I've been able to watch my favorite show before it airs locally here, which to me is kind of neat to be able to do.
If the **AA's offered decently priced downloads that were of good quality, and downloadable from multiple servers, where you the end user could download at your max connection speed, I could see a very good situation for both sides. The consumer pays a reasonable price and gets good fast download ability of whatever they want, and the industry gets tons of customers and money as a result of offering what consumers want. Many of us that download via torrent or usenet in many cases do it because of the speedy nature which our files come in at. And of course we can put the files where we want. That's all there is to it. so why won't the RIAA and MPAA realize this and instead of trying to be so hell bent on restricting what we do with content we love, give it to us in a way we the consumer want it! Simple solution, just try it and see what happens! You may be amazed at the result1
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DRM = Greed!

The double As think that consumers are stupid and don't realize that DRM equals greed.
nasadude

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bottled water

that's what the MPAA and RIAA need to sit down and think about.

when they have divined the secrets of that success, they may proceed once more into the digital media marketplace.

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His name should be Mike

Think about it

defaultanon

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People do not buy things they do not want.

Has the RIAA/MPAA and huge media conglomerates ever considered that people do not buy MTV garbage such as britney spears, backstreet boys, eminem, and other senseless unskilled awful sounding trash, not because they are pirating it, but because it simply sucks and they do not want to see it? Piracy is not a problem, it is a scapegoat... If britney spears or eminem and all the other crap on MTV ever make less than $1 million dollars a year, or better yet make less than $30k a year like most of HARD WORKING CITIZENS THAT DO MORE WORTHWHILE THINGS, then I will feel sorry for them, but I do not see them ever making less than $1 million dollars despite the fact that only a few idiots like their garbage. Nobody wants these people forced on them. I do not watch MTV, does that make me a pirate for not loving senseless garbage? DRM all you want... it will just hurt everyone else, as even with DRM people that dislike the garbage will not buy it...

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Re: People do not buy things they do not want.

The only problems that I see with the **AA is there "scorched earth" lawsuit frenzies. These organizations are right in their pursuit of preventing illegal downloads of copyrighted material. They're protecting the artists that produce the music. However the companies that produce the music and movies are the ones that really make the money, not the artists. But the artists do make a very good wage. So then you're left with just who is the **AA trying to protect?

DRM is in my opinion a pain in the ass because there still is no standard for distribution or format of a digital file. If I purchase the use of a song should I also be able to listen to that song on my IPod, CD Player, WMA/MP3 player? I don't necessarily think so, but it would be nice. But in contrast if I purchase a VHS I can't watch it on my DVD player unless I either convert the VHS to digital and burn it to DVD or vice versa. This happened with the 8-track, cassette tape to CD transitions and is happening now. People are getting away from using a physical medium and are going digital because it takes up less space.

One of the solutions that I believe may be possible at least for the music industry is an online storage of your purchased music. Once you pay for the use of a song, that song is added to your account. The file is non transferrable and cannot be burned to a CD. If you want a CD then buy it. The file can only be played on the player it was downloaded for. If you don't want the song on your player anymore then you simply delete it. If you decide you want to listen to it again you simply download it back to your player from your online account. If I want a lifetime use of a song then I pay a higher price versus the month to month use of the song or the day to day availability.

Price is the key here, cheaper price means that the song of my choice is available for download for a shorter period and once the period expires it's no longer available unless I pay for it again. Would you pay $0.05 for a 7 day availability, I would. If I really like the song then I pay $1 for six months or $2 for life. The company retains their rights I get the music I want to hear and if I'm not sure if I like the song then I pay for a 7 day availability.

CD's should either be phased completely out of circulation for music (if they want to truly handicap pirates) or remain available for purchase as they are now. If I don't want to buy into the digital online model then I purchase a CD and rip the music on my own computer and purchase a player that will play my files. My files can only be played by me because of a DRM format in which only my players are activated for the files/songs that I've ripped. I still have the use of my purchased music but no one else does. Stealing or trying to circumvent my DRM is useless unless I've shared the files that are traceable back to me with a digital signature which includes my name, address, phone number, SSN. Guess what that means, I don't share my music files because if I do I've just pirated the music and at the same time allowed my personal information to be broadcast over the internet. I may be able to recover from this but I've just cause myself a whole lot of grief.

A coop between hardware manufacturers and the music/movie industry should have the resources to come up with something that is not only agreeable between them and consumers, but also seriously handicap piracy, like I proposed above.

Can all of this be circumvented? Sure. Will it stop piracy, no. I don't believe that anything will ever stop piracy and it is here to stay. If the music/movie industry really wants to stop it and crack down on then make the donations and allocations to law enforcement so that the law enforcement community has the needed resources to track down and apprehend the pirates. The general public has a misconception that law enforcement should just do the job. But fail to realize that it costs a lot of money to keep qualified people on the job. Put the money in the hands of law enforcement to do the job and quit paying the lawyers.
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let the music industry suffer

let the music industry suffer for a while... we suffered long enough paying a million dollars a CD for one song... i say payback! Maybe we'll get rid of some of the half baked flavour of the week artists... and some of the real talent out there will emerge... ya know, the great artists who DONT get a chance??? Maybe the ART can come thru and push around the CORPORATE for a bit? i know, im dreaming. We live in a capitalist society. Crap on the art, YAY for the profit.
Randall_Lind

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Saint Petersburg, FL


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Not being able to burn a DVD download you buy is retarded

Who in there right mind would buy a movie off Itunes? If you need a devices connected between your PC and TV to watch it what's the point? That is of course unless you just watch it on your PC.

If I paid $9.99 for a downloaded movie you better believe I want to be able to burn that baby to a DVD and I want a high version not the podcast video screen resolution.
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