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what, no endless lawsuits against the city by the incumbent cable and telco? those guys are getting LAZY! | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| nice but slow Why mandate fiber in the home wiring, if your going to deliver such paltry speeds on the service... if you've got the balls to mandate building codes that must include fiber conduit... have equally ballsy service providers that give 100/100 symmetric for a dirt cheap price!!
Otherwise its just a lame excuse for fiberoptics.. as cablemodems can do 30+mbits.. you want to stand out, do 50/50 or 100/100 to start and go UP from there!! | |
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join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| Re: nice but slow said by tmc8080  :if you've got the balls to mandate building codes that must include fiber conduit... have equally ballsy service providers that give 100/100 symmetric for a dirt cheap price!! Dirt Cheap price???
And how do you expect this company to stay in buisness? How about if you want 100/100, be ballsy enough to pay for it.
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| Re: nice but slow 15Mbit for $100?!?!?! I think 100/100 (100BaseT) would be more like it. Heck I have 15Mbit/2Mbit with Optimum Online now and that is $49.95/mo. Granted it is "only" 2Mbit up but that is still very good.
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join:2004-01-27
Charleston, SC | Re: nice but slow I would take 10/10 over that anyday for 50 bucks hell 50 bucks for 5/5 would be awesome much less 30 | |
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Gulliver, MI | Re: nice but slow 10Mbit/10Mbit for 50 bucks i'll take that anytime.Thats what i'm paying for a lousy 1500/256 | |
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join:2005-11-26 | Re: nice but slow You're not serviced by AT&T in gulliver? Too bad. You could get DSL at 1.5 Mb for $13. If you're paying $50 for that speed, I pity the fool. | |
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Gulliver, MI | Re: nice but slow I know it and not much to do with a "monopoly".10 miles from here where they(Centurytel) also have cable as competitor the same package is $10 cheaper.Have no other option than dial-up and satellite.:-( | |
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join:2001-01-01
Olathe, KS | Hell yah. That's about what I pay for my 6M/384K Comcast service.
I'd gladly pay $50 for 10M/10M service. | |
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join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| said by n2jtx :15Mbit for $100?!?!?! I think 100/100 (100BaseT) would be more like it. Heck I have 15Mbit/2Mbit with Optimum Online now and that is $49.95/mo. Granted it is "only" 2Mbit up but that is still very good. Upload 200 GB in a month and get back to me on that. 
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: nice but slow said by thender2 :said by n2jtx :15Mbit for $100?!?!?! I think 100/100 (100BaseT) would be more like it. Heck I have 15Mbit/2Mbit with Optimum Online now and that is $49.95/mo. Granted it is "only" 2Mbit up but that is still very good. Upload 200 GB in a month and get back to me on that. He'd be capped within the first gigabyte uploaded(if he isn't currently capped already)
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as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by n2jtx :15Mbit for $100?!?!?! I think 100/100 (100BaseT) would be more like it. Heck I have 15Mbit/2Mbit with Optimum Online now and that is $49.95/mo. Granted it is "only" 2Mbit up but that is still very good. And you obviously dont upload much or that upload would be 150kbps
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| You need to have SOME INCENTIVE to be BETTER than the BEST offers in the country to break into the market, otherwise it's like granting a monopoly to foreign oil... Wait, you Kalifornian's DID overpay for gasoline lately-- what topping $4.00 a gallon???!, so $100 15mbit symmetric is as cheap as a bag of oranges... that being you pay through the nose for the health care of the immigrants the pick the fruit in your medicaid taxes...
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BPLSUCKS
join:2006-04-26
Grand Ledge, MI
| 10/10 10/10 does me just fine. Would work perfectly to run my own proxy server for when I am out and about or to run a VPN. No more gaming lag either. I'm on a shared duel t1 at college and it sucks majorly. I get 1 meg at most for download and 256kbps upload. Usually its around 365kbps for download and 128kbps for upload.  | |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
| Re: 10/10 "10/10 does me just fine. Would work perfectly to run my own proxy server for when I am out and about or to run a VPN. No more gaming lag either"
Ummmmm Like I've allways said: This is, bottom line, the only real use for this kind of connection, which is why the cablecos and telcos wont give the upstream. They learned their lesson abou bandwidth sucking residential black holes. The only other time you might use 10 Mb is when downloading warez. | |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
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| BS numbers $45 million over 10 years. No way.
Okay lets break it down. Most markets are lucky to get %50 percent penetration.
So 20,000 homes/2= 10,000 customers let say they get these all in the 1st year.
Most people will be in the lower two tiers so lets say Average cash per month per sub is $40 bucks a month or $480/yr.
10,000x $480= $4,800,000 and we've not taken out ANY operating costs yet.
So we are at $48 million in cash over 10 years. Now lets start taking out costs.
A OC-3 (155mbps) to a peer point averages $5000.00/mon or $60,000 a year.
I'm assuming they'll need something allot larger. We'll say they might get buy with a OC-12 (622Mbps) for $18,000/month or $216,000 a year which is $2.16 million for 10 years.
Let say it takes 40 employee's to run this
a low ball on cost per hour with benefits, vehicles etc is about $50/hr so 2000 man hours x 2080 work hr a year no OverTime in this figure.
we get $4.1 million a year
So $4.8 Million - 2.16 million in circuits -$4.1 laber/benefits comes to a LOSS of 2.8 Million a year for 10 years.
We didn't even talk about building space, power costs, vehicle maint, splicing damage fibers from being dug up, etc etc.
Bottom line the numbers are crap. | |
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join:2006-09-02 | Re: BS numbers You're shocked that the gov't lies about exaggerates the greatness of a gov't program? | |
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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1 edit | said by EnasYorl :$45 million over 10 years. No way. So $4.8 Million - 2.16 million in circuits -$4.1 laber/benefits comes to a LOSS of 2.8 Million a year for 10 years. We didn't even talk about building space, power costs, vehicle maint, splicing damage fibers from being dug up, etc etc. Bottom line the numbers are crap. Nice analysis. 
But don't worry, the city taxpayers will pick up the difference when the bonds come due and the city has to raise taxes to pay them off or replace them with new bond offerings.
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join:2006-09-02
1 edit | Re: BS numbers If the OCTA can double the toll rate in just 3 years what took the previous private toll operator 10 years to get to, certainly Loma Linda can do the same with their charges.
Or they could just mandate that every resident and company buy it, just as they're planning to have every builder paying for installing it. | |
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| said by EnasYorl :Bottom line the numbers are crap. Sounds like a play right out of a telco playbook...
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squid7
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join:2006-09-02
| In the building code? Great to have fiber but this is going a bit beyond their mandate. Now they mandate that builders pay for the infrastructure the city stands to make a huge profit on (given they project making back the over $40 million in just 10 years...what happens after 10 years?). Building codes exist to provide for public safety, not to generate revenue for the gov't. Wonder if they'll offer a building code to force builders to include infrastucture for new CATV, telephony or satellite technologies as well. My guess would be no.
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
1 edit | Re: In the building code?
What will happen is that the rest of the greedy cities in CA will follow, then the rest of the country will, like the lemmings they are.
It's like I've allways said: Give them a source of money on your back and they WILL climb on.
Besides, $100 a MONTH for 15 Mb? Riiiiiggggghhhhttt. | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Re: In the building code? 10/10 for $50 per month... Yeah, I'd go for that!
Remember, these speeds are BOTH WAYS.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Mandate fiber? Building codes for fiber? Building codes are for buildings, what are they going to do mandate, Cat5. Unless a builder is going to build a huge subdivision then he will place fiber along with the electric, cable and telephone. That isn't really a building code but something that is negotiated when the builder applies for the permits.
A slick builder will place tubes and be long gone when the Internets get stuck. With cities taking all of the profitable EZ build areas the Federal Government, US, will get stuck supplying fiber to the great unwashed. | |
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tthnow
join:2006-06-07
Oakland, CA | Where? Where is loma? northen cal or southern cal? | |
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join:2005-08-03
College Place, WA | Re: Where? Southern California. A very nice area I might add. The people who dwell there are, for the most part, wealthy enough to pay for the service without having second thoughts. | |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Where? wait what? have you BEEN to Loma Linda? or San bernageto err sorry Bernadino >.> RIGHT 90% of the ppl there bearly make ends meet | |
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