dslreports logo
site
spacer

spacer
 
   
spc
story category
Brazilian Bill Would Make Anonymity Illegal
ISP user identities would need to be transparent
by Karl Bode 05:08PM Monday Nov 06 2006
The Brazilian Senate is considering a law that would make it illegal to send an e-mail, join a chat, write a blog or even download content anonymously. "The bill states that every user must fully identify herself before using the Net, with full name, current address, phone number and the equivalent of the Social Security Number. To access the Net without providing this information, or to give false information, will also be a crime." The bill also forces ISPs to retain all user activity for a period of three years.

view:
topics flat nest 

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

Torch!

I give this thread 5 messages before someone posts something like "This is just like what the USA does!" without referring to my post.
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk.

Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL

Re: Torch!

said by pnh102:

I give this thread 5 messages before someone posts something like "This is just like what the USA does!" without referring to my post.
Or maybe make an RIAA reference.

Oh, btw THIS IS JUST LIKE WHAT THE USA DOES! (JK )

SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

1 edit

1 recommendation

I can't believe Bush would sign this law! This is proof he is a pawn of special interest. Internet tax, here we come! I swear I'm going to picket in the streets of Rio de Janeiro for this... eh? Brazil?? Oh... nevermind.

Seriously Senator Eduardo Azeredo (who wrote this silly law) used illegal campaign funds for a re-election bid last year. One has to wonder just how far this bill will make it.
.
.
.
.
EDIT: This is just like what the USA does!

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

Re: Torch!

said by SRFireside:

EDIT: This is just like what the USA does!
Sorry... Edits do not count!
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk.

SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

Re: Torch!

said by pnh102:

said by SRFireside:

EDIT: This is just like what the USA does!
Sorry... Edits do not count!
BBBBUT CLINTON.....!!!!
ross7

join:2000-08-16

1 recommendation

said by pnh102:

I give this thread 5 messages before someone posts something like "This is just like what the USA does!" without referring to my post.
That's right, Bub! It's coming to the good old USA. Most of it is already here in one form or another, what with the USA PATRIOT ACT, and all the other shit Bush, Gonzales and company have instigated. Yeah, I know, if I say anything bad about your illustrious leader, or illegal spying, or unconstitutional legislation, I get three demerits and make the no-fly list.

You all just keep ignoring the big stinking turd of fascism that the Bush has flung upon us, maybe you can pretend it don't stink, but most are starting to get a great big pungent nose full...
caco
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK

Re: Torch!

said by ross7:

said by pnh102:

I give this thread 5 messages before someone posts something like "This is just like what the USA does!" without referring to my post.
That's right, Bub! It's coming to the good old USA. Most of it is already here in one form or another, what with the USA PATRIOT ACT, and all the other shit Bush, Gonzales and company have instigated. Yeah, I know, if I say anything bad about your illustrious leader, or illegal spying, or unconstitutional legislation, I get three demerits and make the no-fly list.

You all just keep ignoring the big stinking turd of fascism that the Bush has flung upon us, maybe you can pretend it don't stink, but most are starting to get a great big pungent nose full...
The winner in a whopping 4 post goes to Ross. Pnh102 way to go on calling this one.
--
Bush has a computer in his office that controls gasoline prices and the weather. Get ready for $1.50 gasoline in November and a earthquake to hit San Francisco real soon. That BUSH is A BAD MAN!

lostnthwoods

join:2001-12-03
Arcadia, OK

Re: Torch!

Every snake eventually has to show its head.

Burtonman

@rogers.com
Umm....I can't prove it, but I think Ross has to be a sleeper from RoveHalliburton Co. : )

Wants to keeps us distracted with these supposed threats on our freedoms so that they (AKA THEM) can take what we all really value the most: free t-shirts!

(Funny refrence if you get it!)
ross7

join:2000-08-16

Re: Torch!

said by Burtonman :

Umm....I can't prove it, but I think Ross has to be a sleeper from RoveHalliburton Co. : )

Wants to keeps us distracted with these supposed threats on our freedoms so that they (AKA THEM) can take what we all really value the most: free t-shirts!

(Funny refrence if you get it!)
...and don't furgit the free hatz, 2!

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
said by caco:

The winner in a whopping 4 post goes to Ross. Pnh102 way to go on calling this one.
Man... I so rule
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk.
Expand your moderator at work

bushsucks

@verizon.net

Re: Torch!

Um, you only predicted that somebody would say the truth within 5 posts. I wouldn't put on the crown just yet.
JusticeDun

join:2004-10-15
Ohio

Re: Stupid Statement

said by ross7:

That's right, Bub! It's coming to the good old USA. Most of it is already here in one form or another, what with the USA PATRIOT ACT, and all the other shit Bush, Gonzales and company have instigated. Yeah, I know, if I say anything bad about your illustrious leader, or illegal spying, or unconstitutional legislation, I get three demerits and make the no-fly list.

You all just keep ignoring the big stinking turd of fascism that the Bush has flung upon us, maybe you can pretend it don't stink, but most are starting to get a great big pungent nose full...
Jeez, what a Moron...

N3OGH
Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:2

1 recommendation

"I did have a test today. That wasn't bullshit. It's on European socialism Brazilian anonymity. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European Brazilian, I don't plan on being European Brazilian, so who gives a crap if they're socialists anonymous? They could be fascist anarchists. That still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car
--
Never ask what sort of a computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him? -Tom Clancy

Jeffrey
Connoisseur of leisurely things
Premium
join:2002-12-24
Long Island
kudos:3

Re: Torch!

Very well stated, Ferris.

N3OGH
Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:2

1 recommendation

Re: Torch!

Thank you..

Nice pickup on the movie quote...

AnonDOG

@kaballero.com
quote:
I give this thread 5 messages before someone posts something like "This is just like what the USA does!" without referring to my post.

Dude!!!

You nailed it. Check your back.

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4

This is just like what the USA does

Well not quite(at least not yet)
Alot of downloads are like that already. easy solution. just keep the phone book nearby and pick a name.
--
You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth

swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia

What's wrong with identification requirement

There is some good stuff in the bill - it prohibits spreading malware, breaking into systems etc.. Hardly anyone, I suppose, would object to these parts.

The problem with the removal-of-anonymity part is that every such coercive measure is always abused to the maximum.

Here are a few of the more obvious bad outcomes that are likely with this kind of law. Or in other words, reasons that anonymity is a Good Thing.

    •If the government doesn't like opinions you express, you may get hassled, prosecuted or worse - on some other pretext, of course.
    •If your employer doesn't like opinions you express, you may lose the job (maybe on some other pretext).
    •There may be freedom of speech now, but later laws may restrict what may be said - e.g. racism or offending certain groups, as in Europe.
    •Chilling effect on what people are willing to express, because of above items (self censorship).
    •It may later leads to an "internet license" requirement which would be designed to keep disfavored people offline.
    •Cyber-bullying, as has happened in Korea recently, is bad enough online, and this law would make it easier for hostile people to find out your physical address.
    •Site operators would make deals with advertisers, and then your entire online history would be sold and live forever in corporate databases, all with reliable, real-world person-identifiers.
    •Someone uses your credentials and whatever they do is legally attributed to you.
    •When you complain of others' behavior online, the authorities will say "Sorry we can't help; despite the law we couldn't identify that person" - maybe they just don't want to take the trouble. But if *you* break the law you are prosecuted.
    •Criminals, of course, will carry on being anonymous.
    •... too many more.
The current unreliable way of identifying people, where they have to trace someone by IP address, is an appropriate barrier for bad actors (including unscrupulous governments), but not too severe a hindrance in case of real crimes.
Armour

join:2002-01-08
Scarborough, ON

How nice of them

I bet stalkers and Identity thieves are just salivating at the thought of this one. crack one good server and bingo three years of information for the scamming. Really who thinks of this stuff up ? next you'll have to go the the bar and out in public with your Full name and address on your shirt ?

N3OGH
Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:2

Re: How nice of them

said by Armour:

I bet stalkers and Identity thieves are just salivating at the thought of this one. crack one good server and bingo three years of information for the scamming. Really who thinks of this stuff up ? next you'll have to go the the bar and out in public with your Full name and address on your shirt ?
Or, you could be this guy, and have to wear "I'M A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER" Everywhere you go for the next 2 years.

»www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs···11040314

Kinda spoils that night out at the movies, ya know?
--
Never ask what sort of a computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him? -Tom Clancy

Jovi
Premium
join:2000-02-24
Mount Joy, PA

For all those blaming Bush...

Don't forget to sign with name, address, zipcode, social security number, phone number, date of birth...
--
"Where's my coffee? Oh. I guess it's my turn to make it."

PhoenixAZ
Get A Mac
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:1

This society

and their politicians are pissing me off. I understand full name, I do not understand current address, phone numbers, and SSN. The US is already the number one country for ID theft, Bush would just make those crimes GO UP if he signs a similar bill to this. I am already pissed off that my SSN is on all of my progress reports at school, and used everywhere basically as ID, do I really want some random people online getting their hands on such sensitive information like my SSN, or current address? Imagine all the prank calls you get just by posting your phone number here on DSLR, now think about putting your number on every site you go to.
--
Josh | MySpace | About Me
firewire9999

join:2004-07-11
Livonia, MI

1 recommendation

Dumb question here?

But what does George W Bush have to due with this topic?

DiscardedVet
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Sturgis, SD

1 edit

1 recommendation

I Here Ya !!

Seems most of the readers are transposing the phrase "Brazilian Bill" into "U.S. Bill".

Go figger.

Maybe the title should be changed:

"Brazilian NOT BUSH OR U.S. Bill Would Make Anonymity Illegal

Somehow I don't think it would matter.

DV
--
Bush is the Prez....
Think Patriot Act II....
This outspoken dissident....
In jail I'll be soon.
sammee6

join:2002-01-05
Ocean Gate, NJ

Re: I Here Ya !!

Seems most of the readers are transposing the phrase "Brazilian Bill" into "U.S. Bill".

Maybe it's because of bills they've already attempted to get through, here's an example they tried to pass in New Jersey »www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-new···90/posts

DiscardedVet
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Sturgis, SD

3 edits

Context

said by sammee6:

Maybe it's because of bills they've already attempted to get through

I fully comprehend the correlation, but it is completely irrelevant given the context of the subsequent posts. This artical is about Brazilian law affecting Brazilian Internet.

Neverthless, it is being used instead to flame American laws, proposals, and politiicians.

What is the use of posting any news item concerning connection privacy of other countries, if the only thing discussed in the resulting thread is the U.S.?

DV
--
Bush is the Prez....
Think Patriot Act II....
This outspoken dissident....
In jail I'll be soon.
ross7

join:2000-08-16

Re: Context

said by DiscardedVet:

...What is the use of posting any news item concerning connection privacy of other countries, if the only thing discussed in the resulting thread is the U.S.?

DV
You can blame pnh102 for dragging it in, I just gave him the response he wanted to get. Didn't mean to upset you so...

Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT

FINALLY

A bill I can support.
I really think this is a great idea and I hope that the United States Starts to do this very, very soon.

I don't know about you, but i've had it up to here with people posting anonymously, expressing their opinions, but you don't know who they REALLY are. And, worse yet, is all the people running around chat sites and internet sites pretending to be something they're not.

This bill would change all that and I'm completely in favor of it!

As a matter of fact, as a show of support I've decided to voluntarily start submitting my information, beginning with this post.

I hope you'll all join in with me.

Best Regards..
~RRR

Real Name: Al Gore
(surprised? You shouldn't be. Where did you think the inventor of the net would be hanging out in his spare time?)


--
The life you help save just might be your own Team Discovery

guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA

1 recommendation

Re: FINALLY

said by Rick:

A bill I can support.
I really think this is a great idea and I hope that the United States Starts to do this very, very soon.

I don't know about you, but i've had it up to here with people posting anonymously, expressing their opinions, but you don't know who they REALLY are. And, worse yet, is all the people running around chat sites and internet sites pretending to be something they're not.

This bill would change all that and I'm completely in favor of it!

As a matter of fact, as a show of support I've decided to voluntarily start submitting my information, beginning with this post.

I hope you'll all join in with me.

Best Regards..
~RRR

Real Name: Al Gore
(surprised? You shouldn't be. Where did you think the inventor of the net would be hanging out in his spare time?)


Hello Al !! You old sly devil son of a gun.
Remember me? I'm Bill the thrill Clinton.

Since Hillary is busy with re-election and beating her war chest, side action is looking mighty Rosy. And here comes Rosy now, She is hot. Something just came up and I need for her to meet a firm member. Later on I can have my Kate and Edith too.

William Jefferson
New York
Phone # 867-5309
SS# EZ AS 123

--
Bass....the glue of rhythm and harmony...the heartbeat of the band.! Shaking the earth with deep,sonorous vibrations.The dark ominous thunder of an approching storm.
madrhino

join:2004-07-03

Let's get him

Brazilan Bill is a fascist who must be stopped before our rights are trampled.
--
Get Verizon FIOS,The Anti-DIOS

53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone

join:2002-10-02
PwnZone

no señor,

I swear! my real name is coxcable4

viperpa33s
Why Me?
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL

Next Thing........

Next thing you know, you will need to reveal how many times you went to the bathroom in a day, how many times you pick your nose, if you take a shower and if you use soap, what's your favorite color underwear etc......

How ridiculous can you be
Timmn

join:2000-04-23
Tinley Park, IL
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Yahoo
·DIRECTV

1 edit

Re: Next Thing........

said by viperpa33s:

Next thing you know, you will need to reveal how many times you went to the bathroom in a day...
Hey, I once worked for a company that made you punch out to go to the bathroom. If you went too many times in a day, you would get a verbal warning, unless you could prove it was necessary because of a medical condition.

rsa0

join:2003-01-25
Birmingham, AL

Do y'all thought "freedom" will last ?

Have you ever wonder how it was to live behind the "iron curtain" ? ....now, coming at a cinema near you !

jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Avon, OH

sounds like...

Identity theft will be up in Brazil then. SAd sad sad
--
www.LakeSemaJ.com

owenhome
keeper of the magic blue smoke
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Bentonville, AR

?

That's in-f'ing-sane!

Cool, now any site's logs can be used for identity theft. I guess I need to set up a site in Brazil. CHA-CHING!
--
kg•m²/s²=m(299,792,458 m/s)²

Mark
Premium
join:2001-11-15
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:1

:P

How will they stop TOR?

Anonymous_
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
kudos:2

4 edits

i would use

auto input

full name: butt ass

street: 123 fake st

city: up my butt

state: your anius

zip code: 12345

winky
Turn Left At The Moon

join:2001-02-11
Saint Louis, MO

Uh,

What would you expect from a country that's named after a nut and a pubic hair removal technique?

•••

R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo

join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA

Not to worry

Even the Brazilian Ministry of Communication is against this bill. From what I've been reading (first-hand, none of the babelfish crap) just about the only people for it are the guy who wrote the bill and the digital-signature companies. Everyone else thinks it's a travesty.

I wouldn't worry too much about this passing, then again, I didn't worry too much about communists winning the governorship in my home state and they just did.

sighcrap

@rogers.com

Re: Not to worry

Nice going Ramon! You let your guard down and internet privacy is now in danger. Jeez man, what do we pay you for? :P

*tsk* *tsk*

CableTool
Poorly Representing MYSELF.
Premium
join:2004-11-12

Big Fan!

Huge fan here of Brazzilian Bill. he was GREAT in "Big Booty Babes III"