  DigitalAs-Salamu AlaykumPremium
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Mentor, OH | Gas leak. Why a gas leak? I would think if it was a gas leak the whole suburb would have gone up. Not just one RT.
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| Re: Gas leak. said by Digital:Why a gas leak? I would think if it was a gas leak the whole suburb would have gone up. Not just one RT. Not unless the gas slowly seeped up into the RT box and accumulated enough to ignite via a short or small arc from a relay....IMO...who knows? Possibly a tranformer (if they have one) may have blew.. | |
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| | | | Re: Gas leak. Remote terminals are vented to prevent that. There are fans constantly pulling air up and out of the cabinet. The only way that could happen is if the fans failed (which would trip an alarm) or someone physically blocked the air's pathway. | |
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| | |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Gas leak. In my neighborhood in Valencia, CA, Southern California Edison's 16 kV (buried) underground line went bad, and cooked AT&T's (SBC/PacBell) underground lines and burnt up a couple of blocks of underground wire. The wire was melted all the way to my ground block at the house. It took a couple of weeks to repair all the lines (new PVC, 22 AWG vs. 24 AWG) and my DSL works better  | |
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| | | | | | Re: Gas leak. Hmmm... think my dsl speed would improve if my neighborhood box suddenly exploded? Cant be any worse  | |
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Ohio
kudos:1 | said by bogey780:Remote terminals are vented to prevent that. There are fans constantly pulling air up and out of the cabinet. The only way that could happen is if the fans failed (which would trip an alarm) or someone physically blocked the air's pathway. Unless those fans are explosion proof, which they are not, they are probably the ingition point of the explosion. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Gas leak. But if they're working the gas won't have time to buildup. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Gas leak. that would depend on how big the leak was. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gas leak. But as I mentioned in another post. The generator is completely seperate from the actual DSLAM. For this reason. The only gas that could build up would be battery. And it ain't going to build that fast. | |
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Cow Towne
kudos:3 | said by bogey780:Remote terminals are vented to prevent that. There are fans constantly pulling air up and out of the cabinet. FWIW Most newer cabinets (MESA etc.) are sealed the inside air is recirculated and is not exchanged with the outside atmosphere. In order to keep the electroincs cooled they use heat exchangers not fans connected to the outdoors. This helps to keep the interior dry and nice and clean.
Last year I heard of a MESA 4 that exploded when a tech opened the door. Investigation revealed the charger/alarm failed and battery string had gone into thermal runaway filling the interior of the cabinet with hydrogen gas when the tech opened the door something sparked and the rest was history.
As for gas that can also be a problem most cabinets have conduit running from them and if not properly sealed sewer (methane) gas can migrate up the pipe from the manhole and into the cabinet add one spark from a relay contact and boom it’s all over for that RT.
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New Milford, CT | Just another reason why gas is dangerous and should not be used in residential areas.
RIP residents of Wilton Woods apartment complex in NJ, 1987... | |
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| | | | | Re: Gas leak. Heck, that wasn't Wilton Woods, that was Durham Woods Apartments in Edison, New Jersey, and it was in 1994. I ought to know: It was roughly 1.5 miles away and several hundred feet high, and was seen by truckers as far away as the NJ/Pennsylvania border. The apartment complex was toast, but all the residents escaped alive. Something about Really Big Flames melting the cars in the parking lot can convince people that Here Is Not The Right Place To Be. A couple of broken bones in the scramble to scale fences and the like, but that was it.
It wasn't some little feeder tube, either. A 30" diameter high-pressure line had apparently been nicked by somebody with a backhoe burying a stolen car in an abandoned asphalt production facility some years previous had done the trick, along with corrosion in the line and lackadaisical maintenance by the pipeline owner. Not to mention that it took a few hours to roust up the Texan Eastern types to go and shut the thing down.
Somebody did die, however. The lady lived a mile or so away and happened to have a heart attack. However, the 911 lines were jammed with everybody and his/her brother reporting on something that could probably be seen on the moon, and every cop and paramedic in a 20-mile radius were jammed up on New Durham road trying to do rescue work. Not that there were any (by that time) who needed rescuing. In short, nobody showed up when the lady's husband called 911, and she passed away. Durn.
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1 edit | Re: Gas leak. No, it was 1987, it was Wilton Woods, and I remember it vividly. I was on FIDONet home repair echo, arguing with some people about how dangerous gas is, and the very next day, Wilton Woods blew up, a 36" gas main exploded.
By 1994, I was no longer on FIDOnet and no longer using a 1200 baud modem on a 286, which was the case when I took part in that debate on FIDONet.
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Greeley, CO | Re: Gas leak. Geez, fidonet, ahhh the memories... | |
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Wake Forest, NC | Re: Gas leak - Durham Woods Most of your facts are accurate but the line was 36" - not 30". The Texas Eastern crew was not delayed in response. They had to manually turn a large wheel 832 times. The first was only 1 mile away and the pressure in the line was too great so they had to stop - go to the next wheel - 5 miles away - and start over. Much of the damage could have been averted if there was an automatic shut off valve. Not required by law - and expensive - but cheaper than the $25 million in physical damage done at Durham Woods.
The woman who died was 32. She had a genetic heart defect - had just been released from the hospital and went into heart failure when she saw the flames. There were over 40,000 calls to 911 in those first few minutes of the blast.
That explosion was nearly 13 years ago. It changed my life. I was 100 yards from the explosion - sleeping - and was in clear line of the fireball. My bedroom window faced the explosion site - with nothing obstructing it. I awoke to see the fireball igniting and ran for my life less than 5 minutes later. Initially I believed that we were under nuclear attack - I then saw the tires on my car melting and the windshield breathing - and had never heard of a pipeline in my life.
Three weeks later - I found myself on Capital Hill - testifying about what happened in Edison that day. Asking for change and pinching myself that this was how I was spending my 30th birthday.
That day did help to institute the National One-Call Law - or "Call Before You Dig" notice that's in your gas bill each month. | |
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New Milford, CT | Re: Gas leak. said by dopehead :The incidences of gas explosions are actually quite low. Also I dunno about you but I don't enjoy paying out the ass to run a electric water heater and furnace. I'll stick with my gas thank you I'm using oil, which is quite safe and has no explosion hazard. At least I don't have to worry about a backhoe causing a gas main rupture and resulting explosion taking out a city block. Oil is a lot cheaper than electricity, that's for sure. It only cost me 515 gallons of oil for the 13 month period from June 2005 to July 2006 to heat my hot water and heat my 3700 sq ft home, which was about $1200 to replace that oil this past July. Not bad. That's about $324 per thousand sq ft of house. How much did it cost you to heat your home last winter (oh, wait, you're on Bell South, so you are in a warm climate, thus not a realistic comparison)..
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join:2003-01-25 | Re: Gas leak. DSLAM nothin....DBLAM is more like it. | |
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Gilbert, AZ | Blockage? Maybe there was a severe blockage in the tubes... | |
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|  MagManLife is simpler when you tell the truth.Premium
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Westlake, OH | Re: Blockage? That's the ticket the tubes just had a blockage,happens all the time. | |
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| |  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Re: Blockage? AT&T needs an enema anyways... | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Blockage? Lottery would have cleared it. | |
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Chicago, IL | rofl! | |
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Lakewood, OH
1 edit | ha Maybe they were using Sony batteries. Just a thought.
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| dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | Only if it was a Dell DSLAM... LMAO! | |
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Fallbrook, CA
kudos:1 | Re: ha said by dadkins:Only if it was a Dell DSLAM... LMAO! lol | |
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Dallas, TX | hmm Isn't this technically a VRAD?
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| batageekSlave To The DuopolyPremium
join:2003-01-25 | and could it get any closer to that guy's house? | |
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| CoronaIt's cool, I'm takin it backPremium
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Dallas, TX | I know, I was shocked to see it that close to his house.
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kudos:2 | Pictures? Pictures anybody? | |
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Glen Allen, VA | Too fast! you guys are all wrong. Project lightspeed gives such fast speeds, the current gear overloaded.
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Cheyenne, WY | Wrong! It was bombers sent by the MPAA/RIAA. The Warp speed of this AT&T connection are causing trillions of loses.
Seriously is was the llithium-metal polymer battery that caused the explosion. If these batteries are overcharged they are like bombs.
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|  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Too fast! said by R4M0N:Project lightspeed gives such fast speeds, the current gear overloaded. Or maybe they went to Ludicrous Speed.
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join:2005-01-03 | But Sir, we've never gone to Ludicrous Speed before; I don't know if the ship can take it!
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Niles, OH
2 edits | We don't have to worry about that here... Because there are no Lighspeed nodes or live RTs here!!!! | |
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Carmel, IN | That was quite a boom Hard to believe these things would be inherently that explosive. That was quite an energetic explosion. I could see faulty Li batteries going up in flames (like the Sony batteries), but not exploding with great force like that. I'd say gas accumulation, or vandalism or more likely (anti-telco nutjob on a VRAD jihad). | |
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Pompano Beach, FL Reviews:
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| Batteries Blew up. Large Batteries blow up all the time.
The type of battery really doesn't matter, neither does the application. Most of the time, they go quietly at the end of it's lifespan. And in rare instances, battery self destruction can be quite violent.
I've seen the postmortem after a six month old Diehard self destructed inside an engine compartment. Yuck.. | |
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| | | Re: Batteries Blew up. Yea, I vote for batteries. A scrap of wire dropped by a mouse in the right spot could blow up a battery bank.
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.... | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | said by tkdslr: I've seen the postmortem after a six month old Diehard self destructed inside an engine compartment. Yuck.. Heard a story about a guy whose battery blew thru the hood of his truck one morning when he went to start it. | |
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Waterbury, CT | Holy molly.... so that's what happens when someone tried to tune in a HDTV channel!
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Round Lake, IL |  Re: Holy molly....
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Savannah, GA | Terrorists ? Time to panic, Al Qaeda is targeting broadband!
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| | packet collision I warned them to offer enough bandwidth at the DSLAM. KABOOM! When Packet's collide. Reminds me of Overdrawn at the Memory Bank. To Wendys! | |
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Hercules, CA
kudos:18 | NSA? Too much pr0n hitting the NSA taps...  | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: NSA? so you are saying the NSA had premature..... oh never mind...
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | Passing the buck?
AT&T says they're still investigating the incident and are looking at all possibilities, "including a gas leak, electrical issue, or an act of vandalism." Rogue cable industry attack squads, perhaps?
They certainly aren't quick to assume it was simply their own equipment (battery, electronic device, whatever...) that went up. A gas leak? There would have been much more problems. Act of vandalism? On a DSLAM? Come on. If I were to vandalize something, I would be much more creative than that.
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| | PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | Re: Passing the buck? Thinking about it, I have to agree with you; I just didn't think about it. Of all my criminal activities, I have never been one to vandalize, and I never understood those who did. Never made sense to me.
My point was, though, they just seemed quick to assume that it must have been some outside force.
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Murrells Inlet, SC | No one mentioned that the building had a big sign on the outside that said, "AT&T Abortion Clinic".
Or a Verizon Black Ops. | |
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join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL
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| Fios has equipment also with batteries RT's, Dslams, and Fios all have back-up batteries in them. My guess is a battery exploded inside. It will be a while to replace that Dslam. That guy and his neighbor will love it when they come back and dig up all the cable and surrounding area.
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Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | It was pRon overload LOL Okay, who downloaded too much dirty movies, come forward, admit it | |
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