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| Re: Utopia said by MxxCon  :Oh man, it would be broadband utopia 50mbit symmetrical connection with no traffic caps. I'd pay up to and including $120  for such service. Cable sucks. end of story. It has and will forever suck. The only people who wants cable are the ones who aren't close enough to get fast DSL.
with peak demand on cable completely collapsing the system every day and their stupid and draconian bandwidth limits/caps, it's completely useless.
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join:2003-05-28
| Re: Shoots theory that cable can't compete against Verizon Fios Yes, some users in the FIOS forum whining that their connection is not fast enough.
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join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | mmmm no....see post below....FIOS can roll out symetric speeds of multi-hundred meg bps any time it feels the need to....
those of us on fios can see the jealousy still dripping from your keyboards...regardless of what plan we are on... | |
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Merry Whatever
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Hercules, CA
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| Re: Shoots theory that cable can't compete against Verizon Fios said by danclan :mmmm no....see post below....FIOS can roll out symetric speeds of multi-hundred meg bps any time it feels the need to.... those of us on fios can see the jealousy still dripping from your keyboards...regardless of what plan we are on... Can and Will are two different words my friend!
I see jealousy steaming from your post! 
What speeds are you getting? Uh huh... Sure as hell isn't 50/50, is it?
Here is the question - Why not?
EDIT: Think about this:
Some of our friends in the Sacramento/Roseville, CA area have had 10/10 fiber for YEARS!
Some of them are getting 30/30 as we sit here discussing your FiOS!
A few people in Emeryville, CA have access to Gigabit fiber!
FiOS aint all that friend!
OOL is now starting to step on your toes and you can't handle it...
Don't hate!
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Merry Whatever
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| Re: Shoots theory that cable can't compete against Verizon Fios I am aware that it will likely be an easy upgrade. 
My question is why is/was/has it been so one sided from the beginning? I mean, if you are going to "Lead the Pack" why not do it all out?
Want to impress everyone, make all FiOS customers a minimum of 5/5! Also, make the other packages ?30/30?
Seeing as it can be(and is being) done, what's the holdup?
I really get tired of all the FiOS fans bragging, then when some other ISP's name is raised, we hear Verizon appologist/nay sayers.
Verizon is NOT the end all, be all that some would like us all to believe!
OOL with this, and other ISPs seem to be able to do it, why not Verizon?
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Doctors suck
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join:2002-02-26
Yonkers, NY
·Optimum Online
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| Re: Shoots theory that cable can't compete against Verizon Fios Same reason that OOL first upgraded their offerings in FiOS areas - need. It's simple supply and demand. Right now, both services are offering some of the best tiers of broadband in the country (if not THE best.) They are both competing with each other for our business. As soon as OOL released their sym. 50/50 package, FiOS will either top it or offer the same for less. Now, does anyone here on this site, the power broadband users in the country, need 50/50? Hell no! Even so, we want it if it's offered. At this point, for either side, it's all about marketing who is the fastest. Bookmark this thread and let's revisit it once OOL actually releases this in certain areas, no doubt, and let's see then what FiOS is offering in the same areas. | |
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Midak
Doctors suck
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Yonkers, NY
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| Re: Shoots theory that cable can't compete against Verizon Fios See, that's dumb. The only FiOS customers that have anything to whine about should be the one's not in OOL areas. For the FiOS fanboys, if I have not already made this clear, cheer on OOL with any increase in service and know that FiOS will follow. For the CV fanboys, FiOS can compete and this is good for you too. The 50/50 would likely be many more years away if FiOS was not being rolled out in the CV areas. Regardless if you use CV or VZ, you are now the envy of all the rest of the country who dreams of the 10/1 package about to hit their area. | |
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| Re: Shoots theory that cable can't compete against Verizon Fios This selective competition is certainly the case with FiOS. In the vast majority of FiOS markets, they don't get the sweet deal brought on by competition from Cablevision. 5/2 and 15/2 is the norm under $50 deal with 30Mb available for about $180/mo. Where they face competition from CV, higher speed FiOS plans are more in line with typically residential HSI pricing.
And while on that subject, CV isn't the only ones responding to FiOS and vice-versa. TimeWarner in Huntington Beach is engaging in selective competition offering 15Mb speeds in the face of FiOS. In other non-FiOS SoCal markets I see their "extreme" service is 8Mb. »/archive/?zip=9264 | |
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Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
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| said by Midak :Same reason that OOL first upgraded their offerings in FiOS areas - need. It's simple supply and demand. Right now, both services are offering some of the best tiers of broadband in the country (if not THE best.) They are both competing with each other for our business. As soon as OOL released their sym. 50/50 package, FiOS will either top it or offer the same for less. Now, does anyone here on this site, the power broadband users in the country, need 50/50? Hell no! Even so, we want it if it's offered. At this point, for either side, it's all about marketing who is the fastest. Bookmark this thread and let's revisit it once OOL actually releases this in certain areas, no doubt, and let's see then what FiOS is offering in the same areas. Very true.
FiOS has a huge advantage over other technologies based on it's small amount of homes per fiber.
B-PON is 622Mbps Down/155Mbps up for 32 homes.
G-PON(now being deployed in certain areas) 2500Mbps/622Mbps for 64 homes.
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| It's easy to claim supply of such fast service when you have a long history BW throttling anyone who actually uses the service. Whether it's CV, Comcast or Cox, they speak big but deliver little when people actually start using their "BMW" services. Verizon on the other hand has no such history of throttling or caps that I've seen. | |
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| Re: Gimmie!  I live in country (POP650)and 4.9mbs is all I'm gonna get for along time to come....PS: I'm lucky to get that !!! I did talk to one company.....$600.00 a month for fiber...FORGET THAT ! Mikey5865 | |
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| Re: if OOL can do this said by Cjaiceman :Good luck getting Comcast to do anything like this, they are still rolling the 16/1 (and only to a VERY select few area w/ FiOS). It will be at LEAST 6 months before I see any speed upgrade from Comcast  This argument/complaint that comcast is only rolling out to the Fios ares is really old and tired.
If you knew anything about business, this is how it works no matter which foot the shoe is on... or do you not know that?
If someone competes on your territory, do you turn away and roll out in other areas first just so people like you won't accuse them of launching in comp areas only?
Let's examine the history of HSI in this country. Which industry was the leader in deployment of HSI? Cable. Which industry put out the faster speeds first? cable.. Has cable, so far, launched repeated speed upgrades? Yes. How long do they usually take? A year to about a year and a half.
With this, comcast has just started pushing out a very fast tier, the 16/1. It's going to take time to roll that out across the nation. They're already pushing way up into speeds they've never gone before so maybe this one will be a cautious upgrade.. Think about that. And finally, I bring you back to my original question, if you were in business, would you upgrade where competition is coming? or turn to another area JUST to make people like you who enjoy spatting off that "comcast is only upgrading in competition areas"... If I was a gambling man, and I am, I'd put my money (in business) where the greatest threat is.
You guys are buying WAY too much into advertising propaganda vs what reality is.
And 6 months? Heaven forbid! Let's see you upgrade one of the nations largest last mile network in under 6 months, and get it right the first time to keep your customers happy.
It's easy to sit back and criticize when it's not your money, isn't it?
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| said by MoeDumb :It's just a link to the Cablevision website where there's no mention of Ultra anywhere. »www.cablevision.com/index.jhtml?···05_11_07
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The third and fastest service included in Cablevision's suite of data products is Optimum Online Ultra, which offers customers a dedicated 50 Mbps symmetrical downstream and upstream data service.
First offered through a targeted deployment last spring, Optimum Online Ultra delivers this extremely high rate of speed over Cablevision's existing network facilities, leveraging the spectrum above that which is traditionally used to provide video, voice and data services to create new, QoS-managed bandwidth.
Optimum Online Ultra is available across Cablevision's entire service area immediately and is the fastest residential service ubiquitously deployed in the nation.
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Waterbury, CT
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| Re: Word has it that AT&T's Uverse service said by Cheese :said by cupx2 :LOL nice joke there Joke about them offering? Or the post he made? While I attempt to make light of the AT&T situation in my post, in reality I think it's extremely sad and quite frankly, a bit alarming that this VERY major player in the telco/broadband business has what is seemingly, up to this date anyway, such a VERY weak response to what is going on all around in so many other areas and with so many other companies as it relates to their broadband strategies.
Verizon, with their huge fios rollout.
Comcast, and other cable co's..with their 10 to 15MB offerings, powerboost sometimes close to doubling that...
and then, there's AT&T..apparently with their tires up on a jack, spinning them in San Antonio with a product such as the one depicted in the photo I linked to above.
I'm sure that many readers realize by now who exactly AT&T is. This is, the former BELL system...a formerly very respected American company, now comprised of several telco's such as SBC who is now currently trying to obtain Bell South as well to recreate their former monopoly.
This company should be at the FOREFRONT of technology, not some huge and pitiful disgrace in the face of it's competitors, as they now appear to be to this reader anyway.
I will remind everyone that this company was SUPPOSED to be in 15 to 20 markets by now, years end..with this product.
As far as I know they are still...in ONE. San Antonio.
I have said all along for the last few months that there appears to be real trouble with the path they have chosen but that has been countered with..give them time.
Well, tick tick tick tick...Toc.
I'd Say the clock.. is quickly running out on AT&T.
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join:2002-01-29
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Merry Whatever
Premium,MVM
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Hercules, CA
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| 50/50! LMAO! Sure makes FiOS look like crap, huh?
It still makes no freakin sense why Verizon isn't pushing symmetrical speeds over their FiOS...
Optimunowned!
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join:2001-04-12
Merrick, NY
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| 50MB They still need to deploy the Narad technology to make it work. I look forward to it maybe I'd even switch back from fios. Somehow I can still imagine 5-10Mb during the day when eveeryone is on and 50 in the middle of the night. Yes this is support your getting 5mb well thats within spec to us.  | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| Why not all cable providers? If the technology is there, why aren't all cable providers gearing up for this? Why wait until Telco FIOS forces their hand? Why not just bury them before the Telcos get a foothold? The best defense can be a great offense.
What kind of Internet backbone connection is required to support 50Mbps P2P? What about 50Mbps P2P within the network?
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Build Fios, and I will come.
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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| Re: Why not all cable providers? Most cable providers want to deploy Docsis 3.0 with Channel Bonding. DOCSIS 3.0 is a standard and will let them use CMTS and Modems from various manufacturers. Spending money on proprietary Narad switches, modems and endpoints may not be a wise decision. They will be locked into Narad as a vendor for all the data modems, and Narad being the only vendor, can set prices as high as they want without competition from others.
DOCSIS will work on the same HFC infrastructure that's in place today. While I don't want to diss Narad, their technology is great as we can see, but this type of thinking on the dollar is what most major Cable co's are doing. | |
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join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | Re: Why not all cable providers? This will mostly be used for people who want the bandwidth.
Basically for cablevision to use it so people stop defecting to fios.
This is most likely a stop gap measure till docsis 3.0 is ready. | |
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join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| Narad is switched i think If I am not mistaken this technology is switched unlike the docsis technology.
This technology also has the ability to be expanded to fiber to the curb and fiber to the premises.
I always thought cablevision picking this technology up was interesting.
I am curious though how this will compete with cablevisions lightpath service.
Unless this will only be offered to redidential businesses and homes. Since regular bsuinesses can get fttp from lightpath (wich you can get 50/50 and 1 gig connections from them). | |
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America
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| I find this part interesting... "Cablevision did not want to run it over existing infrastructure as they were not sure of it's negative effects on the existing system,"
..makes me wonder, if it didn't (interfere), then what's to stop other providers from checking this out? ...I hear all of you that DOCSIS 3 will be coming, and that's what most are waiting for, but this looks VERY interesting...
Heck, I just want that latency! Gaming would be a whole new world, let alone the possibility of real video conferencing with some quality! | |
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Smyrna, DE | Verizon knows Now that the trial has hit the news. We know that VZ will be all over this and start there own trial of symmetrical sevice. Makes me wonder that maybe we will get that symmetrical speed after all but in a few years at least. | |
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Brooklyn, NY
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| Competing Against Fios If Cablevision really wants to duke it out with Verizon's Fios, speed alone won't help. Cablevision has to add some sort of value to their Optimum Online service. With Verizon having no download and upload caps of any sort, it's hard to see why anyone would choose OOL. The invisible caps that OOL has does not help it at all. Also, the price of OOL right now cannot compete with Fios. How can you justify paying a higher price for a service that caps you to one that doesn't cost as much and has no caps? You just can't unless OOL is your only option.
If I'm anything like the typical consumer, I'm looking for the best back for my buck. Fios is my choice if I could get it right now.
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| Re: Competing Against Fios Deus,
Please get your facts straight. OOL does NOT cap Boost users using the 30/5 Tier. Capping is only for residential accounts.
When you find a customer who has boost who can prove they were capped then please continue to spew your inaccuracies.
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| Re: Competing Against Fios said by Insider101 :Deus, Please get your facts straight. OOL does NOT cap Boost users using the 30/5 Tier. Capping is only for residential accounts. When you find a customer who has boost who can prove they were capped then please continue to spew your inaccuracies. Verizon is attempting to compete solely on speed against OOL without adding any real value so why cant OOL do the same thing? While it may be true that no one who has boost, which is available to residential customers at an added cost, has been capped, the fact remains that Cablevision has capped people in the past. What they constitute as excessive use is subjective as there are no hard limits set. If you read my post again, the point was whether or not you wanted a faster service at a higher price from a company who has capped in the past versus a company that is just as fast, and has not capped in the past.
Verizon does not need to add value to the service as the main selling point for their service is fast speed at a cheap price. I believe that for Cablevision to compete they will have to add some substantial value to their service in order to justify someone paying the higher prices. An educated consumer would see the logic in switching over to fios to save money given that these two services are so similar.
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| said by Insider101 :Deus, Please get your facts straight. OOL does NOT cap Boost users using the 30/5 Tier. Capping is only for residential accounts. When you find a customer who has boost who can prove they were capped then please continue to spew your inaccuracies. Verizon is attempting to compete solely on speed against OOL without adding any real value so why cant OOL do the same thing? Tons of people on BOOL (Business optimum online) have been capped so its not residential only as far as capping goes.
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join:2001-02-04
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| said by Deus :If Cablevision really wants to duke it out with Verizon's Fios, speed alone won't help. I agree. I'm an ex-OOL customer, and I'm saving $180 per year by using Verizon DSL. I'm also enjoying incredibly-reliable service and excellent USENET servers.
I don't care how fast OOL is, unless they lower the price to $30 or less, plus provide usable USENET servers, I'll never switch back. | |
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join:2005-03-14
New England
| Hmm So does this mean my 3/256 cable for $52/month is a getting kind of outdated? Oh wait, I can go to 10/1 for only $80.
I have the reliability of a T-1 so I can't complain. But come on, Charter, get out of the bloody stone age.
OOL is available about 2 miles from here. Darn. 50/50 is pure craziness.
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| Re: Hmm said by Rick :Take care and keep posting your nice photography. I'm a regular follower of your work. Thank you .
Strangely enough when I type my zip code into OOL's site they say OOL and all the other services are available in "all of your area." Yet we have Charter. Is it possible to have two cable companies serving the same town? A few years ago this town was owned by Cablevison (Optimum). I'm still kind of confused.
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When I lived in columbus ohio before relocating back here to my home state..we had 3 cable co's there in town.
Time Warner, Insight, and WOW.
Insight and TW, while both in the same city, had seperate customers and areas of towns they serviced. WOW, on the other hand, overlapped both in some areas and therefore customers had a choice of either.
It's hard to say what the arrangement in your town is. Perhaps Optimum sold or traded your account to charter though.
Here in my area, we were Tele~media. That got bought out by adelphia who then filed bankruptcy..and we're now in the processess of being switched over to comcast.
It's tough to keep up with all their changes in this industry!
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