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Months later, users appreciate the extra kick
(old news - 09:15AM Friday Nov 17 2006)
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Comcasts's "Powerboost" service was launched last June, and our users have reported they've seeing on average about double their normal speeds during the first few minutes of a download. One user claims to have reached 64,000kbps downstream. Of course these speed increases only apply to traditional downloads in bursts, not peer to peer traffic, and it doesn't address our users' biggest gripe: paltry upstream speeds.

Comcast uses a homegrown patent-pending technology for Powerboost, but the idea of speed-on-demand is catching on with other providers. The PacketCable Multimedia (PCMM) specification technology fueling a speed preview service being tested by Cox, is from Camiant. Camiant's CEO recently praised such bandwidth on demand solutions:
"This obviously leads to satisfied customers who enjoy a speedy transaction, but it also leads to happier, better-performing networks. It's a well-known phenomenon that the gains of statistical multiplexing are maximized when the duration of sessions are short and bursty, as opposed to long and sustained. A short session at a higher throughput is better both for subscribers and for networks than a sustained session at a lower throughput."
Whether the service is a PR stop gap measure to appease users until the next upgrade or an essential broadband perk is a continuing point of contention among users in our Comcast forum. Former Comcast users who have been transitioned to Time Warner Cable as part of the Adelphia deal find they miss the extra speed. General forum consensus? The technology is "pretty awesome."

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Rob
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None for me..

C'mon... gimme gimme gimme!

china crisis

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24/7 below


Rob
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Re: 24/7 below

said by china crisis See Profile :


Oh yea tough guy! Wanna take this outside offline?
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RockCake
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Still miserly w/ the uploads I see...
oh well, still better than what I got!
nasadude

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Rockville, MD
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Re: 24/7 below

said by RockCake See Profile :

Still miserly w/ the uploads I see...
oh well, still better than what I got!
yeah, nothing like having your download be 40 times faster than your upload. Maybe comcast is trying to see how asymmetrical they can make their speeds.
MightyPez

join:2002-05-01
Saint Paul, MN
·Comcast

And as a TW customer being migrated to Comcast...

I miss having a stable connection. In the 2 years I was a Time Warner customer I can only rememebr 1 significant loss of service, and that was after a very bad storm that damaged a lot of buildings in my area.

In the 2 months I have been a Comcast customer (Twin Cities area was migrated over) I have had at least 3 losses of service.

MysticGogeta
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Re: And as a TW customer being migrated to Comcast...

Yeah im migrating to comcast sometime in January and I like this power boost but i'm not very happy with some of the things people talked about in the comcast forums I worry about outages and sync issues and high ping and packetloss I know I probably will have when I get migrated.
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Re: And as a TW customer being migrated to Comcast...

As with all thing YMMV. Any forum you visit is going to have pages of people with problems. The people with good service rarely post.
JerryTongue

join:2003-04-01
Auburn, WA

Re: And as a TW customer being migrated to Comcast...

True but you still see the issues that "customers" do have.
The whole power boost thing doesnt really mean much to people that use the lines for more than surfing the web or downloading small files. In that case for surfing the web you could save your self half the cost(if you have the option)
I download demo games as big as 1G, first 17mgb go quick but then drops down to the same speed as everyone else, or trying to play a game online you feel the up and down with the bandwidth to were some times you just get disconnected from the server. Try uploading any half way good photos to anyone
Every ISP will have good and bad points but you still need to see both sides to deside what will meet your needs. I have been with comcast for many years and like Comcast very much but with the needs I have if Fios was here for me I would take it over what I have in a heart beat

TKJunkMail
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Very noticeable speed increase on downloads 10 MB in size

I think it is a very good perk for downloads of files most users typically do(those less than 10MB). Shareware program files; MS monthly updates; photos from web sites; emails with pics; etc often complete in 10 secs or less. And web pages with lots of multimedia content often snap on the screen much quicker.

But if you are doing Linux distros or downloading full length movies, a 10 or 20 sec burst of speed doesn't mean very much. But for the great majority of web users, the Powerboost increases are well liked.

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nightwalker
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Re: Very noticeable speed increase on downloads 10 MB in size

Click for full size
I'm noticing a 3x to 4x performance boost for the first 30 megs.

USENET: 3x boost
FTP: 4x boost (command line linux)

FTP seems faster. 25mbit/sec for the first 15 megs. and then it goes back to line speed (6 mbit/sec)

$ wget »ftp://ftp.secsup.org/pub/linux/centos/···1of4.iso
/pub/linux/centos/4.4/isos/i386 ... done.
==> PASV ... done. ==> RETR CentOS-4.4-i386-bin1of4.iso ... done.
[ ] 15,580,376 3.15M/s (25 mbit/sec)

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TKJunkMail
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Re: Very noticeable speed increase on downloads 10 MB in size

Yes my download profile looks like this. An initial burst then settle in at 6.6 mbps.

alfnoid
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AFAIK It isn't PCMM that comcast is using

They are using some proprietary software added to each CMTS from what I have read.
Where I read that says that everyone thinks what it is is PCMM, but it isn't.

Comcast has a patent pending on powerboost.
Now I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you can patent a specification.

If I can find the article I read about this again, I'll post the link.

Oh BTW Karl, "months later" there are a bunch of us still waiting to see powerboost in the first place.

peace

Rob
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Re: AFAIK It isn't PCMM that comcast is using

said by alfnoid See Profile :

Now I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you can patent a specification.
You'd be surprised what the patent office allows a person to patent!
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said by alfnoid See Profile :

Comcast has a patent pending on powerboost.
Now I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you can patent a specification.

I am and yes you can.

Seriously though, there are many ways of doing this. The simplest would be through a method patent. I do it all the time . . .
alfnoid
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Ok, I wasn't very clear about what I meant, let me rephrase this...Can you patent a spec that you didn't come up with?

It would make sense to do your own, but how can comcast patent what cable labs came up with?

Cablelabs is kinda huge, you would think they would patent their own stuff before letting someone else no?

Either way I forgot to even look for the article, but am quite sure this isn't the technology that comcast is using.

peace

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Here is the article:
»www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA6384148.html

scroll down to the last section called PCMM tomorrow, first paragraph gives the info.

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Re: AFAIK It isn't PCMM that comcast is using

said by alfnoid See Profile :

Ok, I wasn't very clear about what I meant, let me rephrase this...Can you patent a spec that you didn't come up with?

It would make sense to do your own, but how can comcast patent what cable labs came up with?

Cablelabs is kinda huge, you would think they would patent their own stuff before letting someone else no?

Either way I forgot to even look for the article, but am quite sure this isn't the technology that comcast is using.

peace

EDIT
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Here is the article:
»www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA6384148.html

scroll down to the last section called PCMM tomorrow, first paragraph gives the info.
Depending on the business agreement the parties have, there can be a couple of different ways in which Comcast is pursuing a patent. First, Comcast may have had a hand in conceiving or developing the concept. In that case, a Comcast inventor would be named in the patent. The parties would then decide in a separate agreement as to ownership issues.

Second, if Comcast hired and paid for Cablelabs to develop this product, then Comcast could have Cablelabs assign the patent over to Comcast.

Both of the above scenarios are very common. But, we'd have to see the patent application and inventors names/employers to really make a more specific guess.

And, like you said, CC may not even be using the CL technology.
alfnoid
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Karl was informed, by a comcast employee that they don't use pcmm and has adjusted the article to reflect.

peace

Goober
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Re: AFAIK It isn't PCMM that comcast is using

I couldn't find a Comcast patent or application regarding this technology. So, it must be relatively new.

I did find it interesting, though, that Comcast has few issued patents (6 or so), but a significantly higher number in the works. Seems that they must be getting more aggressive in protecting their IP.

AnnaS8

join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD

Blah...

Just a way to hide the fact when you aren't getting the speed you should be.

So so

@gte.net

Pretty Awesome - Not

I have it on my home connection.

It is OK, but "pretty awesome" is a huge overstatement. It is better than nothing and now I can't get a real result on any of the speed test sites.

ropeguru
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What the hell is this powerboost crap?

Have not seen it in the Richmond, VA area nor the greater Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area either. If they are going to keep cramming this hype BS down my throat, at least give it to me so I can see what it is all about.
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MADcyborge

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Salt Lake City, UT

Re: What the hell is this powerboost crap?

Salt Lake City, powerboost is a now show..
on the speed tier I do however manage 9.0-11.9 Mbps and downloads from 300K-800k. It is high priced considering 70+ dollars a month.....The lack of support has turned me into a stellar pc,router,switch, and Node geek... I know more than there techs who work on the lines... but don't gest I work for them....My current job pays much better and is more rewarding in the data-center. Lack of UPSTREAM is aggravating but being in Utah I have a fiber host co-locate on my BF2142 server so upstream gripes are minimal.... I know they wont upgrade for 3 more years at least.

rob_in_chatt
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Chattanooga, TN

boost

im not sure what markets this service is available in, but i can tell you its not here in Chattanooga.
jimpalmer4

join:2005-03-08
11111

D-link modem problem

Have they ever fixed the problem with the D-Link......I think it was the DCM-202 modem no being able to take advantage of the powerboost?

JoeyDee
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Las Vegas, NV
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"...first few minutes..."

Well...

My experience has been about 20 or 30 seconds of "ultra-downloading" quickly diminishing to speeds 10% or 20% above normal.

It's still a welcome feature. I appreciate it.

Joe

richdelb
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Not too bad for me

I have had Comcast's Powerboost for a little while now.

I have found it to be rather useful when browsing the galleries here or at places like PBase. Most images, even at full res, are under 10mb (I said most) so Powerboost works out very well for that function.

I have seen a noticed DECREASE in my upload bandwidth, but I don't' believe that is related to Powerboost.

I have the 8mb / 768 service. I have been seeing anywhere between 17 and 24 mb down during tests, but, as mentioned before that's with smaller amounts of data.

I'd have to say for the cost (free) the "upgrade" is worth it. I don't know that I'd be too happy with it if I had to pay extra for it, as, like most have seen, the "BOOST" lasts between 30 and 40 seconds. Still, not bad for the price.

cableties
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Wow, pRon thumbnails fast!



Well. Technology always advances with pRon!
kill200

join:2005-02-17
Chicago, IL

Re: Wow, pRon thumbnails fast!

Powerboost doesn't work with p2p?? I've seen it on bittorrent..

jkj860
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Kwiturbitchen

I especially like the price! Free
floydb_1982

join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA

I'm reading speed up to warp 10

I just did a speed test;

42.88Mbps/10.24Mbps

Oh my word these super fast connection speeds are maxing out my Linksys cable modem.

Just an hour ago I downloaded a 100MB file at 32Mbps.

Lil Jon
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Re: I'm reading speed up to warp 10

said by floydb_1982 See Profile :

I just did a speed test;

42.88Mbps/10.24Mbps

Oh my word these super fast connection speeds are maxing out my Linksys cable modem.

Just an hour ago I downloaded a 100MB file at 32Mbps.
waht good does such a download speed make, when your uploaders speed is slow??????
floydb_1982

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Re: I'm reading speeds up to warp 10

First off my cable modems fastest upload speed it can do is 10.24Mpbs. Can't go any faster than that. Look I have this cable modem: »www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellit···rWrapper
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