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But only if you buy the 'Superman Returns' DVD
(old news - 02:03PM Tuesday Nov 28 2006)
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Walmart has joined the quickly-approaching-ridiculous number of companies looking to get into the video download business, according to a company press release. Well, kind of: if you buy the Superman Returns DVD, you can download a DRM copy of the film for $1.97 for portable devices, $2.97 for PCs or $3.97 for both. "We believe that as we expand this offering to other movie titles, our customers will come to value this extra option as one of the benefits of buying a DVD at Wal-Mart."

According to the section of the Walmart website where you download movies, the service is still in beta. According to their FAQ, neither Linux or Mac platforms are supported. Earlier this year, Walmart announced they'd be selling both DSL and cable broadband.

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metro305

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Bitrate, Codec used and protection method?

Anyone have any info on the details for what codec they are using, the bit-rate of the video, and protection scheme used?

I would not mind downloading my movies as long as it was easy to move from PC to PC with minimal amount of DRM headache.

metro305

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Re: Bitrate, Codec used and protection method?

BTW the service does not support Linux or Mac according to their help FAQ.

metro305

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Re: Bitrate, Codec used and protection method?

I found the answer to some of my questions via this link
»superman.mediadownloads.walmart.···/faq.jsp

What is the Standard format?
The Standard format has quality similar to a DVD. It is optimally viewed on a PC or a TV (via a Windows Media Extender or connected PC). Videos in this format are higher resolution than videos in the Portable format. Standard format videos are encoded at a 640 x 480 resolution with an average bit rate of 1,500 kbps.

What is the Portable format?
The Portable format is optimized for on-the-go viewing using "PlayForSure" portable video players. If played on a PC, the image quality will not be as good as the higher resolution Standard format. These videos are not compatible with Apple iPods. Portable format videos are encoded at a 320 x 240 resolution with an average bit rate of 500 kbps.

Can I transfer a downloaded movie to a different PC?
Yes, but you need to activate the new PC and de-activate your previous PC. Simply call our Customer Service Representatives for help. They are available at 1-888-227-8458 (6 a.m. to 9 p.m. (PT), 7 days a week).

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Re: Bitrate, Codec used and protection method?

said by metro305 See Profile :

I found the answer to some of my questions via this link
»superman.mediadownloads.walmart.···/faq.jsp

What is the Portable format?
The Portable format is optimized for on-the-go viewing using "PlayForSure" portable video players. If played on a PC, the image quality will not be as good as the higher resolution Standard format. These videos are not compatible with Apple iPods. Portable format videos are encoded at a 320 x 240 resolution with an average bit rate of 500 kbps.

Can I transfer a downloaded movie to a different PC?
Yes, but you need to activate the new PC and de-activate your previous PC. Simply call our Customer Service Representatives for help. They are available at 1-888-227-8458 (6 a.m. to 9 p.m. (PT), 7 days a week).
They have locked themsleves out of the main portable market? why isn't the IPOD supported, daft decision.

Royal PITA to do anything other than have it on one PC, I'll stick to ripping it via DVD shrink to a backup copy or using a x264 or Xvid codec to get it smaller

thender2
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Re: Bitrate, Codec used and protection method?

said by Cozworth See Profile :

said by metro305 See Profile :

I found the answer to some of my questions via this link
»superman.mediadownloads.walmart.···/faq.jsp

What is the Portable format?
The Portable format is optimized for on-the-go viewing using "PlayForSure" portable video players. If played on a PC, the image quality will not be as good as the higher resolution Standard format. These videos are not compatible with Apple iPods. Portable format videos are encoded at a 320 x 240 resolution with an average bit rate of 500 kbps.

Can I transfer a downloaded movie to a different PC?
Yes, but you need to activate the new PC and de-activate your previous PC. Simply call our Customer Service Representatives for help. They are available at 1-888-227-8458 (6 a.m. to 9 p.m. (PT), 7 days a week).
They have locked themsleves out of the main portable market? why isn't the IPOD supported, daft decision.

Royal PITA to do anything other than have it on one PC, I'll stick to ripping it via DVD shrink to a backup copy or using a x264 or Xvid codec to get it smaller
I agree. This won't play on my Cowon A2 either. I doubt it'll play on anything.

The only reason to use a propriatery format that is inferior is to control your content. I don't want to pay $5 so they can control the content I paid $15 for once already.
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peerimpact

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The iPod isn't supported because the King Of DRM Steve Jobs wont licence Fairplay DRM to any other content service provider ,even though Walmart sells millions of iPods for him .

If anything you should complain to Apple about their DRM not being interoperable outside the iTunes\iPod ecosystem .

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Re: Bitrate, Codec used and protection method?

said by peerimpact See Profile :

The iPod isn't supported because the King Of DRM Steve Jobs wont licence Fairplay DRM to any other content service provider ,even though Walmart sells millions of iPods for him .

If anything you should complain to Apple about their DRM not being interoperable outside the iTunes\iPod ecosystem .
I think the reason for Apple forcing this is to keep the iTunes system running simple and the way it should. Take a look at the Zune system (how the Fairplay DRM does not work with other Media Player approved DRM) to see how this can get to be a PITA for Joe Consumer.

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Re: Bitrate, Codec used and protection method?

said by cbrigante2 See Profile :

I think the reason for Apple forcing this is to keep the iTunes system running simple and the way it should.
Riiiiight. It has absolutely nothing to do with locking people into the IPOS.
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DRM? Not interested.

quote:
. . . if you buy the Superman Returns DVD, you can download a DRM copy . . .
BZZZT! No thanks . . . not interested.

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Good Price

If you own the DVD why would you want a PC copy? I'd just rip it to my ipod or whatever too. They should do movie downloads for that price then we're talking.

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Re: Good Price

Its about time they got into the video download game. They'll bring the low prices.

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Because legally, you CAN'T rip the movie to your IPOD. Remember the DMCA, well the DVD is protected under that, and if you do rip the DVD, you are going to spend time with BUBBA in the big house! (where's taylor when we need him?)
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metro305

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Re: Good Price

NPR had a short segment on how a university professor lobbied the Library of Congress for an exemption to cut content from a DVD and master it into his own for educational purposes. What was laughable was how the industry representative said a still from the movie is just as good and there was no need to use video aka moving pictures!!

The following link is from the EFF explaining the exemptions
»www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005021.php

TOPDAWG
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Well if I own it fork them. Anyway looks like a pain in the ass to rip a movie to a ipod if I wanted it I'd just pay the $2 and download it long as it's a nice copy.

OK time to format the old PC damn thing.
TheWickerMan

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said by karlmarx See Profile :

Because legally, you CAN'T rip the movie to your IPOD. Remember the DMCA, well the DVD is protected under that, and if you do rip the DVD, you are going to spend time with BUBBA in the big house! (where's taylor when we need him?)
It's only illegal if they catch you.

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said by karlmarx See Profile :

Because legally, you CAN'T rip the movie to your IPOD. Remember the DMCA, well the DVD is protected under that, and if you do rip the DVD, you are going to spend time with BUBBA in the big house! (where's taylor when we need him?)
You are allowed to make a backup copy at least, who says the backup copy can't be on your iPod or other portable media device? I do get what you are saying though, neither Apple nor Wal-mart can support this officially since it just opens them up to more lawsuits thanks to the DMCA. It's a shame really, everyone will do it anyway on the black market so to speak which everyone could be cashing in on if they were smart.
backness

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Re: Good Price

i think because the dvd is encrypted you aren't allowed to decrypt it according to DMCA

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said by knightmb See Profile :

You are allowed to make a backup copy at least, who says the backup copy can't be on your iPod or other portable media device?
No you are not -- backup copies of DVDs were NOT an allowed exception to the DCMA -- read the EFF link someone posted above.

Hyperspace71
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Link me to an article of just one confirmed conviction in the U.S. of someone who only backed-up a DVD for personal use.

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I think this is for the non-geeks.

Don't assume that everyone has the time or knowledge to rip a DVD, transcode it and load it onto their PMP.

Besides, $1.97 is pretty reasonable... especially considering Wal-mart sells DVD's as a loss-leader anyway.
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huh?

Why would you want to spent 3 bucks on a locked down drm copy when you already have the dvd?

hopeflicker
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Re: huh?

said by steve19726 See Profile :

Why would you want to spent 3 bucks on a locked down drm copy when you already have the dvd?
that's only for the uneducated sheep
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Re: huh?

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

said by steve19726 See Profile :

Why would you want to spent 3 bucks on a locked down drm copy when you already have the dvd?
that's only for the uneducated sheep
Exactly. Those who know how to do it will either buy or rent that DVD, rip it and then convert it into DivX/XviD, iPod, PlaysForSure or any other format that's out there.

Unfortunately, the uneducated sheep don't know how to convert between different formats and will end up paying multiple times for the same content.
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Re: huh?

That's the way that the industry sees us all: as
uneducated sheep. They would rather that people
remain as such, that way they get a constant
revenue stream by suckering people into buying multiple
copies of the same title.
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TexasDSL
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Who do you use?

Who is the best provider for this service today? Who do you use?

Oleg
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Hm

Looks like they have started beta testing of some movies already when you go to: »mediadownloads.walmart.com/mmce/ it asking for Username and Password it say's "Members Only"

thender2
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what's the point of this?

How about I rip the DVD and encode it to a better quality xvid myself with no copy protection?

Sounds much more fair to me.

This is what people feared three years ago... the fact that you'd have to pay again to play something on other devices when there was no technical reason for it.

This is awful, I hope no one stands for it.

You lose the choice of what format and quality to encode at, you lose the choice of being able to do what you want with what you get. You lose freedom by buying into this. There's no good reason you should have to pay twice for the same thing.

I agree that if you bought records, you shouldn't get a bunch of free CDs so your music will work with newer systems. But that's not to say that you shouln't be able to rip media you have so you can watch it on the bus or something.
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rip off

i can go rent it for less then 4.50 \

and have a high quality copy on my computer

(DRM free)

it's also a relly good deal if you get a rent one get one free deal

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
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Why buy it twice?

If you buy the dvd, why wouldn't you just rip it from the dvd you bought? Plus if their goal is to encourage against personal ripping, why are these drm locked downloads not free with the original dvd purchase?

jwardl

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With DRM?
No thanks.

It's not that I have any intent to distribute (or even copy for my own use), just that I don't want to have to put-up with compatibility issues or problems should I want to switch devices, or for any other purpose I might decide to subject the video to in the future.

I probably WILL buy the DVD, however -- availability of a digital download not withstanding (let's face it -- it wouldn't be that hard to find). It's nice to have the printed DVD and case, artwork, etc. The issue is, is it affordable, and, is it WORTH the money?

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Neeeeeeeext.

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A900MHz Fan

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Why?

Why don't they just burn a divx copy of decent quality with DRM on the DVD they sell??

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Does your grandma know how to rip dvd's?

I love when dorks call people sheeple or whatever because they don't try and figure out how to pirate videos.

Jesus....

Hyperspace71
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ANYONE

ANYONE: Link me to an article of just one confirmed conviction in the U.S. of someone who only backed-up a DVD/s for personal use.

...I never heard of that happening.

Just people selling/distributing getting popped...and even that is VERY rare.
Bal3Wolf

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Re: ANYONE

Even if you got caught making a backup of a movie you paid for i dont thk the fine is near as big as say sharing it on the internet or selling because your not making a profit off it. Not to mention how hard it would be to catch you and dont thk it would hold up in court very well.
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