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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| cost approach When someone else builds a network that directly competes for wireless broadband access on a fee per unlimited month.. then you will see Verizon finally see the light-- or lose customers. Right now those networks are slower, still not truly unlimited (in the wireline broadband sense) and more costly than a Verizon solution.. show as with all competition:
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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| Re: cost approach said by tmc8080  :When someone else builds a network that directly competes for wireless broadband access on a fee per unlimited month.. then you will see Verizon finally see the light-- or lose customers. There is one - SPRINT
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| Re: cost approach Here's a concept that I'm sure won't really kill anyone at all. Everyone in the US and I mean EVERYONE should call Verizon on the same day and cancel their accounts. Or for that matter, no one use their Verizon phones for 1 full day or 1 week. Find another way to take your calls... office phone or home phone. A knock like that would make Verizon listen.
The problem is not everyone would do this... sometime this kind of thing is necessary to get your point across. Think about it this way... every large company out there will do whatever they want because they know the general public would never do something like this. In retrospect, they have the same control over the general public with their product/service like drug dealers have over drug users.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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| Re: cost approach Why, Taylor? Why should everyone cancel their Verizon account just because Verizon is offering videos for a fee? What if you use Verizon and don't care at all about downloading videos? What if you get your videos elsewhere? I'm sure anybody who wants to download Seinfeld on their phone for less will switch to a provider who will fit their needs. A boycott is not necessary here. | |
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manfmmd
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join:2003-01-14
Earth
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| Re: cost approach I don't think that's Taylor, unless he moved from Michigan to Georgia. Taylor is usually hsd1.mi.comcast.net, not hsd1.ga.comcast.net I could be wrong.
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| Not Taylor... Don't know who that is and don't really care. What most people fail to understand and grasp is that there is power in numbers. People always cry and complain about wanting better options or better prices on stuff, but they fail to understand the simple concepts of banding together to get things changed.
Think about what Verizon would do if everyone stopped using their services for 1 full day, let alone a week and I mean everyone...(I'm sure it would make the news, don't you). That sort of drain on their finances would easily drive them to do whatever the "public" wanted.
Simpler concept... no one pays taxes one year. Do you honestly think everyone would end up in jail? Sure, the core economy would suffer, but that's not the point here. I'm just trying to give you different examples to get the idea across, which you missed with the orginal post. It's like the "no one buy gas on Tuesdays" things you kept seeing go around when prices were high(er). Sure, nice concept, only problem... not EVERYONE will do it, so it's pointless and won't work or get the same point across.
In the end none of these sort of things would happen (on a large scale anyway), because believe it or not the human person simply can't deal without having their material items even for a day. And it's because of this simple fact that the "public" will do the bidding of the "higher ups".... be it government or corporations. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: cost approach The thing is this is a little issue in the grand scheme of things. Most wireless users just use their phone to make calls, and most wireless cards use them to access the Internet. This isn't nearly is big a deal as other issues such as rate hikes or convoluted service agreements. Simply put if you are really into downloading video through a service your wireless provider sets up and don't like Verizon's way of going about it simply switch to another carrier who does it the way you want to.
Choose your battles. Don't go running out guns blazing over something that's not worth fighting for. | |
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ricep5
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join:2000-08-07
Jacksonville, FL
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| Let's hear it for "walled gardens" Walled gardens are perfectly acceptable by many people. Let the market decide if "open" vs. "walled" is preferred. If people didn't like it, they wouldn't keep offering it.
Journalisticly DSLR has not been a fan of the walled garden approach to data delivery (just read your wealth of 'news' on AOL)
Some people don't want an open access methodology, they like to pay to have it molded and delivered to them for their convenience. So what? This is bad?
Media outlets like TV, newsprint, newswires, magazines, radio (and now the Internet) have been molding and delivering their 'gardens' for years of their existence, warts and all. How far back must the wall go before its no longer considered a garden?
Technically I could say DSLR is a walled garden of thorns about what is wrong with the world of broadband, but then I would be violating your goals of finding more stories on aardvarks. | |
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join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
| Re: Let's hear it for "walled gardens" The major difference is that wireless broadband is being touted by the CTIA, FCC, and members of Congress as a clear competitive alternative for cable and DSL broadband. Until the walls come down however, that comparison is a lie and cable/dsl will remain a duopoly. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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| Re: Let's hear it for "walled gardens" But we're talking about mobile video here. Not Internet services for the home of office. I see no issue here. If somebody wants to pay the fees to see a show on their phone let them. I'm sure another provider will offer the service cheaper anyway. As for me I use my phone to call people and my television (and sometimes computer) to watch shows. It's not like there is no competition in the cellular telephone market. | |
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join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
| Re: Let's hear it for "walled gardens" You are aware that Verizon sells wireless cards for your notebook computer right? The TOS limits what you can download if you sign up for that service. One of the prohibitions is that you can't use it as a substitute for a dedicated wired data line. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: Let's hear it for "walled gardens" I am aware of that. We're still dealing with a scenario where if you can't get what you want from Verizon there are many other competitors out there who will oblige. Sprint makes wireless cards too, you know. | |
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join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
1 edit | Re: Let's hear it for "walled gardens" I agree. My main point was in response to ricep5 who said restrictions were fine. But if wireless broadband is going to become a real competitor to dsl and cable those restrictions are going to have to fall across the industry. Not just with one company since a companies coverage area isn't universal. | |
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| FightingBlue
join:2006-04-08
Warsaw, NY
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| Your argument is totally fukakta, by the way. To compare a Verizon-style walled garden--complete with razorwire and guard dogs--to an open market like TV or newsprint is just ridiculous. You're completely rewriting definitions to fit the idea that Verizon's approach is somehow market-friendly, when in fact it's completely anti-marketplace, and deliberately leverages Verizon's position as a major carrier to force users onto their particular video platform. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | News? This really isn't a news form, it is a moan, groan and bitch forum. | |
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| Re: News? The Moto Q is a piece of junk when it comes down to yahoo webmail access and messenger. If you have hotmail and messenger you will surely love it. Verizon's unlimited access to the internet is not so unlimited with yahoo. There is an additional charge of 19.95 to have wireless web access to yahoo mail, called yahoo mail plus. Hopefully the new Moto Q Black will fix the problem. The oringinal Q has dropped in price due to high turn over of low battery life and lock ups. | |
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| The Moto Q is a piece of junk when it comes down to yahoo webmail access and messenger. If you have hotmail and messenger you will surely love it. Verizon's unlimited access to the internet is not so unlimited with yahoo. There is an additional charge of 19.95 to have wireless web access to yahoo mail, called yahoo mail plus. Hopefully the new Moto Q Black will fix the problem. The original Q has dropped in price due to high turn over of low battery life and lock ups. | |
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ewgny
join:2000-12-21
East Setauket, NY | Make your own It's easy enough to convert your own videos to 3GP
format and put them on the phone's micro SD card if
you don't want to pay for VCAST
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