7Mbps Verizon Residential DSL - Though so far only in Delaware...

7Mbps Verizon Residential DSL
Though so far only in Delaware...
(old news - 04:32PM Monday Dec 10 2007)
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For the millions of Verizon customers out of range of FiOS, the fastest Verizon residential DSL speed you can get is 3Mbps, unless you want to upgrade to a business-class line. However, users in our Verizon forum note that the company does seem to be offering a 7Mbps/1Mbps tier to limited markets. And when we say limited, we mean just Delaware so far, according to one forum user's conversation with a Verizon customer service representative:

I have received your email dated December 7, 2007 regarding your High Speed Internet service. My name is Yolanda, and I understand your wish to increase your connection speed to 7.1 M/768K. I apologize for the delay in my response, and I regret any inconvenience to you. Currently, the 7.1 M/768K residential plan is only available in Delaware. Unfortunately, it is unknown when this speed will be offered in additional states.

Some rumblings in our forums indicate that Maryland customers have been able to order the tier as well. According to user accounts, this mystery 7Mbps tier is a trial service that's only available to select new users. We've got calls in to our contacts at Big Red to get the specifics -- and to see if additional markets are coming

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Cowboy86 join:2004-02-06 Franklinville, NJ clubs:	Yea... A friend of mine outside of Wilmington has it. He's had it since September I think.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 16:35:30 ·

astokes join:2000-08-11 Bangor, ME	Re: Yea... Whats their distance limit for 7meg?
	permalink · 2007-12-10 16:37:10 ·

DotMac Shill H8r Premium join:2007-10-26 Huntington Beach, CA edit: December 10th, @05:06PM	Re: Yea... At the time I ordered the limit was 9,000ft but that was a few years ago.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 17:05:47 ·

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Re: Yea...

Over in the ATT forums, you can find lots of user experiences with hi-cap ADSL distance limitations since ATT began offering 6mbps "Expert Plus" and "Elite" tiers at low prices a few years ago. Bottom line, don't count on it working at full speed unless you're less than 7500' from the CO. It can work out to much further distances (some hold 6mbps reliably at 9,000' or more), but its very hit and miss. At that's just 6mbps. Verizon usually over-caps to compensate for ATM overhead, so their sync rate is probably closer to 8mbps.

If your modem has a diagnostic page, many will tell you the maximum estimated sync rate. That's usually the best way to tell if your line will be able to handle it or not.

Chances of qualifying were a bit better for ATT customers due to ATT's extensive deployment of Remote Terminals. Verizon seems to have eschewed these in favor of FIOS deployment.
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permalink · 2007-12-10 18:37:31 · Print ·

DotMac Shill H8r Premium join:2007-10-26 Huntington Beach, CA	Re: Yea... My sync rate was 81xx something 864 if memory serves.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 19:43:11 ·

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We had this where I used to work...

They've been offering 7100/768 for many years as business service. We had it back in 2002. It cost about 200 dollars a month (with 5 usable routed static IP addresses). Our company was about 12,000 feet from the CO and the best speed we could get was 5000/768, due to a bunch of "hi pot" (T-1) services that people had in our building causing interference to the DSL signal. No matter-at the time we mainly wanted it for its upload (this was then their 'main' business service was only 1500/384).

permalink · 2007-12-10 16:38:46 ·

Pashune Your average, anemic person. Premium join:2006-04-14 Gautier, MS	Hmm. I'm curious as to if the real world thorough-put is indeed 7 meg (Like Bellsouth through maxsync), or if it's lower due to overhead... -- I have achieved 3 meg , fastpath sync on a 15,700 ft. 26 ga copper line. =]
	permalink · 2007-12-10 16:45:24 ·

bogey780 join:2004-03-19 Covington, LA	Re: Hmm. G.dmt caps at 8128. At 9kft you'd need ADSL2 or higher for the basic standard. Bellsouth has always overcapped their high residential tiers. Not sure if VZ does.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 17:41:32 ·

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G.dmt caps at 8128. At 9kft you'd need ADSL2 or higher for the basic standard. Bellsouth has always overcapped their high residential tiers. Not sure if VZ does.

Bellsouth has never overcapped their 1.5 service. In fact while others sold 1.5 as 1536, it was Bellsouth always set to 1472 sync rate for "their" 1.5 service.
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permalink · 2007-12-10 20:18:08 · Print ·

bogey780 join:2004-03-19 Covington, LA	Re: Hmm. Hence the modifier "high".
	permalink · 2007-12-10 21:13:37 ·

Rothan Tik Destroyer of worlds Premium join:2000-11-07 Danvers, MA	I seem to remember.. It'd be nice if they eventually bumped the 3/768 people to 7/1 like they did when they bumped the 1.5 people up for free. It would help the tide over until FiOS is available around here.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 16:47:03 ·

Quiglag God is Love Premium join:2004-09-19 Ontario, CA	Re: I seem to remember.. And they should bump the 5/2 fios to 7/2.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 19:07:20 ·

DoRight join:2007-07-20 Mechanicsburg, PA	It's Coming.. Not sure which markets yet Yeah.. We are looking at Feb 2008 before we can offer it and I haven't been told which markets yet..
	permalink · 2007-12-10 16:49:46 ·

xdeadhead 220, 221, Whatever It Takes. Premium join:2000-11-08 Pangea edit: December 10th, @11:56PM	Re: It's Coming.. Not sure which markets yet mods delete plz.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 23:45:50 ·

DoRight join:2007-07-20 Mechanicsburg, PA	Re: It's Coming.. Not sure which markets yet Excuse me??
	permalink · 2007-12-11 19:50:16 ·

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Resellers have it

I had 7100/768 from DSL Extreme via Verizon for a long time (here in So Cal). It was $149 for a while then dropped to $99 which sounds pricy but it included 5 static IPs, unlimited use, unlimited premium usenet and they permitted servers. I think it is still available for $99. $41 for residential from VZ which is the price claimed early in that thread is a pretty good deal.

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permalink · 2007-12-10 16:58:36 · Print ·

ztmike 1kwikgt Premium join:2001-08-02 edit: December 10th, @05:08PM	Which speed tier is it? So is it 7/1 or 7/768? The article above on DSLR says 7/1 For Verizons sake..It better be 7/1 ..as 7/768 is useless..wow a couple more mbps down..the added upload would be nice..
	permalink · 2007-12-10 17:05:56 ·

DotMac Shill H8r Premium join:2007-10-26 Huntington Beach, CA	Re: Which speed tier is it? 7100/768.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 17:08:23 ·

aaronwt Premium join:2004-11-07 Woodbridge, VA ·Verizon FIOS ·Comcast ·Verizon Online DSL edit: December 10th, @05:17PM	said by ztmike : So is it 7/1 or 7/768? The article above on DSLR says 7/1 For Verizons sake..It better be 7/1 ..as 7/768 is useless..wow a couple more mbps down..the added upload would be nice.. Would the download speed be a 133% increase? That is a big increase. It would be a 4mbs increase not a 2mbs increase.
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Re: Which speed tier is it?

If memory serves my 7100/768 was provisioned at 8100something 864. In speed tests provisioned interleaved I got around 6400kbps down and 710 up. On fast path I got 6700 down and 750ish up.

Unless Verizon keeps the price low, it still won't compete with cable all things being equal (in terms of AUP and uptime etc). Basic cable plans are running in that 6-7Mb range in a lot of areas now-a-days.

Doing the currently $30ish plan for 3Mb and $41-$45 for 7Mb would do pretty good against faster cable competitors. If we've learned anything from the cable vs DSL war it's nothing gets more subscribers than a dirt cheap price.

permalink · 2007-12-10 17:19:10 · Print ·

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Re: Which speed tier is it?

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If memory serves my 7100/768 was provisioned at 8100something 864. In speed tests provisioned interleaved I got around 6400kbps down and 710 up. On fast path I got 6700 down and 750ish up.

Unless Verizon keeps the price low, it still won't compete with cable all things being equal (in terms of AUP and uptime etc). Basic cable plans are running in that 6-7Mb range in a lot of areas now-a-days.

Doing the currently $30ish plan for 3Mb and $41-$45 for 7Mb would do pretty good against faster cable competitors. If we've learned anything from the cable vs DSL war it's nothing gets more subscribers than a dirt cheap price.

With how you say cheap prices, why not lower the 3/768 to 25 and put the 7/1 to 30 or 35? Still cheaper then most cables.

permalink · 2007-12-10 18:41:45 · Print ·

DotMac Shill H8r Premium join:2007-10-26 Huntington Beach, CA	Re: Which speed tier is it? Likely because the Verizon suits would say they don't have to in order to compete. But I agree with you, I think they would get tons of subscriber adds from that just like they did from the $15 768 tier.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 19:41:53 ·

hottboiinnc Kyle join:2003-10-15 Toledo, OH	Re: Which speed tier is it? I agree with both of you about competing with Cable but what is the distance limitations for this speed? it would have to be very close to the CO or the RT.
	permalink · 2007-12-11 21:37:37 ·

Jodokast96 R.I.P Bassman442 Premium join:2005-11-23 Erial, NJ	Re: Which speed tier is it? Do not quote me here, but I seem to remember it previously being in the 5000 ft. range. Given ADSL2+ deployment and the distances it's extended other speeds, I'd guess 7000-8000 likely and possibly as high as 10,000 in some cases.
	permalink · 2007-12-11 21:47:35 ·

DotMac Shill H8r Premium join:2007-10-26 Huntington Beach, CA	Re: Which speed tier is it? When I signed up the limit was 9000'.
	permalink · 2007-12-11 22:09:52 ·

Jodokast96 R.I.P Bassman442 Premium join:2005-11-23 Erial, NJ	Re: Which speed tier is it? Which is why I said don't quote me, lol. How long ago? Mind posting your modem stats for me?
	permalink · 2007-12-11 22:13:59 ·

DotMac Shill H8r Premium join:2007-10-26 Huntington Beach, CA	Re: Which speed tier is it? This was about March 2006. I've since switched to cable so I don't have current provisioning.
	permalink · 2007-12-11 22:31:22 ·

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I generally agree.
While 10/1Mbps is a nice to have, MANY do not have the need for much more than 3Mbps, and plenty don't care if they have more than 1.5Mbps. Higher prices are what typically ticks people off. What many don't see/consider is that there's typically an expensive POTS line subsidizing the DSL.

I have no issues with a $24.95 DSL line on AT&T. paying $44/month (+tax/fees) for POTS is pricey though. I'd be at $36/month for 6Mbps/768kbps on DSL, however, those packages are not available here.
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permalink · 2007-12-10 19:41:25 · Print ·

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Don't like this one bit

Not the potential offering of 7.1, but what is mostly a rumor with not one single person actually getting the speed is being posted as a news item. Hell, Verizon reps have told people all kinds of crap that isn't true. You can't be expected to believe them 99% of the time about anything, but your going to base your story on 7.1 availability on them? I guess facts like just one user actually reporting having it really don't matter much.

permalink · 2007-12-10 18:45:41 ·

hescominsoon join:2003-02-18 Brunswick, MD ·Comcast ·Verizon Online DSL	Give it back! They had it here when they first brought it online and took it away a year ago. I'm going to call up VZ and see if i can get it back again..:) -- God Blesshttp://www.emmanuelcomputerconsulting.com-- carpe ductum -- "Grab the tape"
	permalink · 2007-12-10 19:03:08 ·

hottboiinnc Kyle join:2003-10-15 Toledo, OH	Re: Give it back! some ISPs still over the package though but at a great cost amount.
	permalink · 2007-12-10 21:12:30 ·

Tzale Ron Paul - No Bailout Conservative Premium join:2004-01-06 NJ, USA	DSL Who gives a shit about DSL.... Nice if you can get it, but for many people, DSL isn't even an option. -Tzale
	permalink · 2007-12-10 20:58:25 ·

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Various comments listed above are partially correct. This service (7.1M/786k) is not an entirely new service from Verizon (was available to business), but now slated as a consumer product. From a business standpoint (for the obvious business minded person with a company) this is being offered to serve a "fios-gap" persee. Delaware was the beta area for this new service and has been available since the begining of this year. Last week it has been slated to "move forward" for new service orders and existing customers whom wish/can get an upgrade to the new speed in the New England / New York areas. This new service will require a "truck roll" to install a NID splitter, as this is the only way your service can truly be verified and approved by the company. Existing customers whom qualify, you will have to have your current service disconnected and "cut-over" to the new ASAM.

"Reality Check" - As we all know xDSL at these speeds or VDSL for that matter need to have the line conditioned, with that in mind, and the age of your copper, you may not get the full speed, as the cut-off is 8000Ft for this service. I wont go into what the VZ accepted rate for service is, I will let you argue that with your installation tech (be nice though ...lol) Since this service is new as it incurred a company wide upgrade, your CO maybe not be complete yet. Also don't expect this service to overlap where a CO is completely FiOS ready (remember my business comment above). Not sure when the company database maybe updated for you to verify if you qualify, but in the meantime happy surfing ... Happy Holidays Everyone !

FYI - I'm an independent consultant, and former field special services tech, that has to stay abreast of certain things like this and just share my little info that may help you.

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It isn't like many of us will ever see it.

Like I care at all. I'll still be stuck with 1.5/384. Verizon will only take action somewhere if they are losing customers to another company. I actually had a few emails back and forth to Verizon about trying to get a RT in the area or find out if FIOS will ever be in the area. You can ask for an email of a higher up to talk to but they tell you they don't have any contact information. I finally said something about cherry picking in the email and later that day they decided to call me. Still tried to tell me that they had no contact info for anyone higher up. I emailed again and got no replies. Unless Verizon is losing customers in your area forget seeing this.

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	permalink · 2007-12-11 04:57:12 ·

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7mBS serivice from Verizon

I am a VZ tech (stocks going up up up) Anyway, yes we are offering 7m service. I do not believe we are cherry picking. We are provisiong for that service nationally. I have provisioned dslam equipment in WA ST, IN, NYC, BKLYN, MA, RI, and MD off the top of my head. It's coming especially since Fios will nvr be able to penetrate in the forseeable future like dsl has (cost/labor/contract) Definitely doesn't seem like we are cherry picking as some of the sites we have upgraded are in the middle of nowhere..

permalink · 2007-12-11 05:12:52 ·

DolanFan4 @optonline.net	Re: 7mBS serivice from Verizon How about Dutchess County in upstate NY. We were on tap for FIOS in 2008, but my sources tell me Verizon has abandoned those plans until at least 2009 in order to focus manpower for FIOS on parts south like Westchester County and NYC.
	permalink · 2007-12-11 08:59:10 ·

R3nthal @4pointnetworks.com	My company has three Verizon 7/768 business DSL packages in Indiana. All operate from the same CO (3 locations) and all are under 4,000 feet. Sync Rates from the Netopia modems are identical. Download speed typically peaks around 6300 - 6500 kbps and upload peaks at around 650 kbps. Service has been solid. Modem 1 - Data Rate (Kbps)Downstream: 7616 Upstream: 864 Modem 2 - Up: 7616/864 Kbps
	permalink · 2007-12-11 09:07:25 ·

dmeyer join:2002-08-14 Austin, TX	They've had this for awhile in Indiana When I was a student in West Lafayette, IN back in 2003 I was able to get the 7.1/768 residential DSL from Verizon for $40/mo. I thought I was hot stuff then because the fastest the cable company offered was like 4/384.
	permalink · 2007-12-11 09:00:48 ·

hoho @comcast.net	And the distance limit is... 3 1/2 lawn chairs away from the CO for 7meg service. I mean really, this has been the biggest bane of DSL that I remember.
	permalink · 2007-12-11 16:03:14 ·

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Don't like this one bit

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It isn't like many of us will ever see it.

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They've had this for awhile in Indiana

And the distance limit is...