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Sprint says they've upgraded ten additional markets with EVDO Revision A mobile broadband technology as part of their promise to upgrade 21 markets before the end of the year. Today sees the launch of the faster speeds in New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Washington, DC, Detroit, Denver, Baltimore, Providence and New Jersey. The upgrade increases downstream speeds from 700kbps to 800kbps, upstream speeds from 50-70 kbps to 300-400 kbps and dramatically lowers latency. Still nothing but the sound of crickets from the Verizon camp when it comes to getting their own Revision A upgrades deployed.

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Supafly
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Los Angeles Users?

Anyone in Los Angeles use the new upgrades? How's the latency?
sdhunter

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Corona, CA

Cingular are you listening?

No broadband in LA and Sprint and Verizon are already taking broadband to the next level. What a shame.

Supafly
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Re: Cingular are you listening?

said by sdhunter See Profile :

No broadband in LA and Sprint and Verizon are already taking broadband to the next level. What a shame.
Cingular is supposed to be launching in 3 days in the Downtown/San Fernando Area with a full launch slated for the first of the year.

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said by »www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=13980 :

The other markets scheduled to launch this year are:

Baltimore
Boston
Buffalo, N.Y.
Denver
Detroit
Hartford, Conn.
Kansas City, Mo.
Las Vegas
Los Angeles
Milwaukee
New York City
Newark/Trenton, N.J.
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Providence, R.I.
Sacramento, Calif
Salt Lake City
San Francisco
Seattle
Washington, D.C.

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Umm once HSDPA will be up and running there (supposedly before the end of the year), it'll be 1-1.5Mb so Sprint and VZ will be hardly in any leading position...

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Re: Cingular are you listening?

said by kamm See Profile :

Umm once HSDPA will be up and running there (supposedly before the end of the year), it'll be 1-1.5Mb so Sprint and VZ will be hardly in any leading position...
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVDO

EV-DO Rev A is 3.1Mbps downstream.
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Re: Cingular are you listening?

said by Matt See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

Umm once HSDPA will be up and running there (supposedly before the end of the year), it'll be 1-1.5Mb so Sprint and VZ will be hardly in any leading position...
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVDO

EV-DO Rev A is 3.1Mbps downstream.
Except that it is 800kb/s as the original news article says.

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Re: Cingular are you listening?

said by kamm See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

Umm once HSDPA will be up and running there (supposedly before the end of the year), it'll be 1-1.5Mb so Sprint and VZ will be hardly in any leading position...
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVDO

EV-DO Rev A is 3.1Mbps downstream.
Except that it is 800kb/s as the original news article says.
Right, with a MAX OF 3.1Mbps AS THE SPEC SAYS.
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Re: Cingular are you listening?

HSDPA's max speed is 14.4Mbps.

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said by Matt See Profile :

Right, with a MAX OF 3.1Mbps AS THE SPEC SAYS.
Right - which has nothing to do with the actual speed, the 800kb/s which is quite inferior to Cingular's usual startup HSDPA speed at 1.0-1.2Mb/s.

BTW that theoretical speed you are trumpeting is around 1/4th of HSDPA's 14Mb/s...
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Re: Cingular are you listening?

said by kamm See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

Right, with a MAX OF 3.1Mbps AS THE SPEC SAYS.
Right - which has nothing to do with the actual speed, the 800kb/s which is quite inferior to Cingular's usual startup HSDPA speed at 1.0-1.2Mb/s.

BTW that theoretical speed you are trumpeting is around 1/4th of HSDPA's 14Mb/s...
Does anybody know what Cingular is using for a backhaul on HSDPA? If their using T1's then you won't come close to 14Mb/s. You won't even get 1.0Mp/s if more than one user is on it at one time. EVDO currently uses T1's, up to 4 max. 4 T1's gives you a pool of 6 Mb/s down and 6 Mb/s up. If HSDPA can pool T1's, it will compete with EVDO; if not, then I don't see it comparing. A fiber backhaul is the only way speeds will increase for both technologies.
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Re: Cingular are you listening?

said by evoxfan See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

Right, with a MAX OF 3.1Mbps AS THE SPEC SAYS.
Right - which has nothing to do with the actual speed, the 800kb/s which is quite inferior to Cingular's usual startup HSDPA speed at 1.0-1.2Mb/s.

BTW that theoretical speed you are trumpeting is around 1/4th of HSDPA's 14Mb/s...
Does anybody know what Cingular is using for a backhaul on HSDPA? If their using T1's then you won't come close to 14Mb/s. You won't even get 1.0Mp/s if more than one user is on it at one time. EVDO currently uses T1's, up to 4 max. 4 T1's gives you a pool of 6 Mb/s down and 6 Mb/s up.
First VZ uses all kind of connection, DSL, T1, anything it can to keep up with the demand, not solely T1s.

If HSDPA can pool T1's, it will compete with EVDO; if not, then I don't see it comparing. A fiber backhaul is the only way speeds will increase for both technologies.
Secondly as long as speed remains assymmetric there's nothing wrong with using all kind of connections.
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I have evdo in chicago not yet RevA and it's already at 900-1mbs on average for me. 800 is a very low estimate and only the guaranteed speeds. You'll get no guarantee with HSPDA above 7-900K in real life but you'll get EVDO RevA speeds. Similar only in that you may get a higher HSPDA speed early till you finally catch up in customers.

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Where are the phones??

The real question is where are the phones that support evdo rev-a? I think PC cards are useless and a waste of money. Any decent phone (in my case pda device) can be configured to run as a tethered wireless card, plus it can make phone calls too. Seems a bit redundant to me.......
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Re: Where are the phones??

"I think PC cards are useless and a waste of money."

Well that depends on your tastes. Try looking at a 1.5 or a 3.5 screen for an hour. How small your world can be. How tired your eyes can be. Now try on a full 15.4 screen. Its all bigger, complete, and can be enjoyed more.

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Re: Where are the phones??

A USB modem would be even better.
»[Sprint] USB modem now available from Sprint

Connect it to your notebook,UMPC,desktop,tablet,.......
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Re: Where are the phones??

said by Majestik See Profile :

A USB modem would be even better.
»[Sprint] USB modem now available from Sprint

Connect it to your notebook,UMPC,desktop,tablet,.......
When you tether your phone it becomes a USB modem! Thats the point I was making, PC cards have gone the way of the Dodo.
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Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

I get a minimum of 880k down. cant say that about Rev A here. Oh wait thats because sprint doesnt have it here yet.

Why dont the DSLR sprint fanboys come out with an article every time Cingular rolls out now locations? The bias around here is ridiculous.
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

Maybe if Cingular sent a press release advising of such info, it would get posted:

»home.businesswire.com/portal/sit···%20HSDPA
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

i doubt it.

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by inteller See Profile :

i doubt it.
DOn't be an @ss - I doubt Karl has any bias, especially toward the inferior technology (as EV-DO clearly is).
compuwizz

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

At least EVDO customers can roam on other EVDO networks such as Alltel, Bell Mobility, and if Verizon would have an agreement with Sprint for data roaming, them too. Try data roaming on Cingular HSDPA with Tmobile or any other GSM / HSDPA provider in the world. That won't happen because Cingular is using different frequency spectrum than Tmobile, or any other carrier in the world.

I'd rather be with Sprint and get availability and speed versus just speed in few select markets with Cingular's HSDPA.

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by compuwizz See Profile :

At least EVDO customers can roam on other EVDO networks such as Alltel, Bell Mobility, and if Verizon would have an agreement with Sprint for data roaming, them too.
Sprint now has a data roaming agreement in place with Verizon or one that's now an active one anyways (you need a wireless data roaming capable phone).... its just 1xRTT at the moment but hey its better then nothing...maybe someday they'll open up their evdo network for roaming, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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said by compuwizz See Profile :

At least EVDO customers can roam on other EVDO networks such as Alltel, Bell Mobility, and if Verizon would have an agreement with Sprint for data roaming, them too. Try data roaming on Cingular HSDPA with Tmobile or any other GSM / HSDPA provider in the world. That won't happen because Cingular is using different frequency spectrum than Tmobile, or any other carrier in the world.
Ummm you can roam anywhere with Cingular. It's about your phone, not your SIM card.

I can roam anywhere with my HTC TyTn but TMO just got into the worst position: they got a brand new frequency.

I'd rather be with Sprint and get availability and speed versus just speed in few select markets with Cingular's HSDPA.
Any GSM/HSDPA is always late here - but has the technological upper hand, no matter how you look at it. And Sprint's in-house coverage sux here, let alone VZ retarded contract terms.
compuwizz

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.

»www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/

Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues.

anon314

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

It can still use the 900/1800/1900 on GSM worldwide as well as 850 on my Cingular phone.

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said by compuwizz See Profile :

The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.
How is this any different with GSM 850/1900 and GSM 900/1800? The USA and Canada both use 850/1900 and 1700/2100 for UMTS/HDPSA, and the rest of the world uses 900/1900/2100. If you care enough you'll buy a phone that will work no matter where you take it. You're trying to make an argument out of something that has always existed since the very beginning of digital phones in North America.
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by Snickerdo See Profile :

said by compuwizz See Profile :

The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.
How is this any different with GSM 850/1900 and GSM 900/1800? The USA and Canada both use 850/1900 and 1700/2100 for UMTS/HDPSA, and the rest of the world uses 900/1900/2100. If you care enough you'll buy a phone that will work no matter where you take it. You're trying to make an argument out of something that has always existed since the very beginning of digital phones in North America.
Well said.

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said by compuwizz See Profile :

The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.

»www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/

Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues.
Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA.

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by kamm See Profile :

said by compuwizz See Profile :

The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.

»www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/

Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues.
Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA.
said by kamm See Profile :

said by compuwizz See Profile :

The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.

»www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/

Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues.
Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA.
They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies.
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies.
... and, if you remember the early days of GSM, the same applied. The only phones sold in North America were 1900, and the only ones sold in Europe and Asia were 900/1800. It is only the last few years where World Phones have become cheap and plentiful. The same will happen with UMTS and HSDPA.
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by Snickerdo See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies.
... and, if you remember the early days of GSM, the same applied. The only phones sold in North America were 1900, and the only ones sold in Europe and Asia were 900/1800. It is only the last few years where World Phones have become cheap and plentiful. The same will happen with UMTS and HSDPA.
Of course it will happen. My point was that there aren't currently any handsets that do true global 3G roaming. Quite a shame too, since I am DYING to buy one! When I was in Europe over the summer I had to suffer through using GPRS (not even EDGE!), and I can tell you it was a nightmare. I often couldnt even get a consistent 10k either. Bring on the 3G world phones!
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Of course it will happen. My point was that there aren't currently any handsets that do true global 3G roaming. Quite a shame too, since I am DYING to buy one! When I was in Europe over the summer I had to suffer through using GPRS (not even EDGE!), and I can tell you it was a nightmare. I often couldnt even get a consistent 10k either. Bring on the 3G world phones!
You could always do what a buddy of mine did prior to the days of world phones, and just swap sims with a local phone when in Europe. Should hold you over until proper world phones are out.
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by Snickerdo See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Of course it will happen. My point was that there aren't currently any handsets that do true global 3G roaming. Quite a shame too, since I am DYING to buy one! When I was in Europe over the summer I had to suffer through using GPRS (not even EDGE!), and I can tell you it was a nightmare. I often couldnt even get a consistent 10k either. Bring on the 3G world phones!
You could always do what a buddy of mine did prior to the days of world phones, and just swap sims with a local phone when in Europe. Should hold you over until proper world phones are out.
Apart from my TyTn HTC offers couple of other multiband HSDPA phones, for months now.

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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by Snickerdo See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies.
... and, if you remember the early days of GSM, the same applied. The only phones sold in North America were 1900, and the only ones sold in Europe and Asia were 900/1800. It is only the last few years where World Phones have become cheap and plentiful. The same will happen with UMTS and HSDPA.
Of course it will happen. My point was that there aren't currently any handsets that do true global 3G roaming. Quite a shame too, since I am DYING to buy one! When I was in Europe over the summer I had to suffer through using GPRS (not even EDGE!), and I can tell you it was a nightmare. I often couldnt even get a consistent 10k either. Bring on the 3G world phones!
You've quite poorly researched your subject, pal - as I said above/below my HTC TyTn supports UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE.

Outside of US I can use it in Europe, Asia etc everywhere.

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by kamm See Profile :

You've quite poorly researched your subject, pal - as I said above/below my HTC TyTn supports UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE.

Outside of US I can use it in Europe, Asia etc everywhere.
Perhaps YOU should do a little more research pal. UMTS is all but usless in the US, as only approximately 5 markets ever had it (from the old ATT days), and it is being decommissioned as we speak. Furthermore, all of the US is in the process of upgrading from EDGE to HSDPA, which the HTC TyTN does not support. Thirdly, Europe and Asia are all now rolling out HSDPA (and some test markets with HDUPA!), so once again your device falls flat. So basically your phone only works on current EUROPEAN 3G networks; which pretty much supports my argument that there are no global 3G phones yet. I am hope you are happy with your $1000 paper weight as you poke around at EDGE speeds! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

said by compuwizz See Profile :

The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.

»www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/

Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues.
Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA.
said by kamm See Profile :

said by compuwizz See Profile :

The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.

»www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/

Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues.
Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA.
They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies.
Ummm newsflash: my HTC TyTn supports 7 different mode/freq combinations: UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE.

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by kamm See Profile :

Ummm newsflash: my HTC TyTn supports 7 different mode/freq combinations: UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE.
Quick summary:
US: Virtually no support for UMTS, and it is going away.
Europe: Support for UMTS, markets being upgraded to HSDPA
Asia: EVDO and CDMA variants, small support for UMTS. HSDPA upgrades in progress.

HTC TyTN:
No HSDPA support.

Lets recap. Your phone can make voice calls everywhere, but pretty much only allows for 3G services in Europe. Nice, really nice!
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

Ummm newsflash: my HTC TyTn supports 7 different mode/freq combinations: UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE.
Quick summary:
US: Virtually no support for UMTS, and it is going away.
Well I can see why you are posting these clueless comments - you decide not to look at the fact... FYI: HSDPA is and upgraded UMTS and quite contrary to your beliefs it's coming up here, in the US: Cingular is expanding and TMO is slated to start late next SUmmer.

Europe: Support for UMTS, markets being upgraded to HSDPA
Which is the same UMTS network, and also for my HSDPA phone, yes.

Asia: EVDO and CDMA variants, small support for UMTS. HSDPA upgrades in progress.
Supported by my phone, yes.

HTC TyTN:
No HSDPA support.

Lets recap. Your phone can make voice calls everywhere, but pretty much only allows for 3G services in Europe. Nice, really nice!
Ouch. TyTn IS an HSDPA phone./


You know it looks really pretty silly when one is trying to be sarcastic without checking the facts first and turns out to be completely false - should I say embarrassing...?

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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by kamm See Profile :

Well I can see why you are posting these clueless comments - you decide not to look at the fact... FYI: HSDPA is and upgraded UMTS and quite contrary to your beliefs it's coming up here, in the US: Cingular is expanding and TMO is slated to start late next SUmmer.
SIGH, wrong again "Kamm". UMTS devices are NOT compatible with HSDPA.

said by kamm See Profile :

Ouch. TyTn IS an HSDPA phone./


You know it looks really pretty silly when one is trying to be sarcastic without checking the facts first and turns out to be completely false - should I say embarrassing...?
BZZZZZTTT! Wrong again. Your phone is UMTS, NOT HSDPA! Good luck using it here in the States pal. Here is a direct quote from the HTC product page:
quote:
Full connectivity with Tri-Band UMTS, Quad-Band EDGE, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi.

»www.europe.htc.com/products/htctytn.html
»mobilitytoday.com/articles/htcty···ook.html
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Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

Well I can see why you are posting these clueless comments - you decide not to look at the fact... FYI: HSDPA is and upgraded UMTS and quite contrary to your beliefs it's coming up here, in the US: Cingular is expanding and TMO is slated to start late next SUmmer.
SIGH, wrong again "Kamm". UMTS devices are NOT compatible with HSDPA.

said by kamm See Profile :

Ouch. TyTn IS an HSDPA phone./


You know it looks really pretty silly when one is trying to be sarcastic without checking the facts first and turns out to be completely false - should I say embarrassing...?
BZZZZZTTT! Wrong again. Your phone is UMTS, NOT HSDPA! Good luck using it here in the States pal. Here is a direct quote from the HTC product page:
quote:
Full connectivity with Tri-Band UMTS, Quad-Band EDGE, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi.

Ahhh, not again... HSDPA IS LISTED AS UMTS. If you don't understand it, read reference pages:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
"An evolution of the UMTS standard, HSDPA achieves the increase in the data transfer speeds..."

»www.gsmworld.com/technology/3g/e···on.shtml

»www.umtsworld.com/technology/hsdpa.htm

http://www.europe.htc.com/products/htctytn.html
»mobilitytoday.com/articles/htcty···ook.html
Jesus, wifi.. you didn't bother yourself to read your own link first, did you?
"With the slide-out Qwerty keypad, HSDPA capabilities and a plethora of other connectivity options, this is definitely a Pocket PC to be reckoned with."

For God sake, man: I AM USING HSDPA @1.0-1.2Mb/s EVERY DAY, all the time, here in NYC.

Pull yourself together, man - when you're wrong at least know when to remain silent...

kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here.

PS: if you want I can post some test result later today - but until then look what I've just found: »www.howardforums.com/showthread.···3&page=1

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said by inteller See Profile :

I get a minimum of 880k down. cant say that about Rev A here. Oh wait thats because sprint doesnt have it here yet.
I'm able to pull over 2Mbit/s on Rogers HSDPA here, and the network just launched on the 2nd of November. Bell has offered EVDO in Toronto for the last year or so, yet there's no EVDO here. If they don't want my business, that's their loss, I'll go with the better technology.
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Snickerdo
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Niagara Falls, ON

UMTS and HSDPA are separate from one another. One can have a UMTS network without HSDPA, and one can have an HSDPA network without UMTS. Rogers up here is migrating their entire GSM network to UMTS as part of the HSDPA rollout, as UMTS handles the RF side a -lot- better than stock GSM.
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