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Ted Stevens Loses Net Neutrality Fight
109th Congress closes, proposed bill dies...
by Karl Bode Tuesday 12-Dec-2006 tags: legal · Politics · content · net-neutrality
Last summer Senator Ted "Tubes" Stevens bragged he was close to having the 60 votes necessary to pass his Communications Act of 2006. The Act contained numerous provisions, but its primary goal was to give incumbent telcos a national video franchise, something they claim will speed up IPTV (or, in Verizon's case, coax/fiber) deployment. Critics argue that a national franchise eliminates local negotiating authority, which has traditionally helped communities demand increased deployment (as well as more ridiculous requests).

Despite the fact the Senate Commerce Committee was spending tax dollars to circulate pro-incumbent editorials as educational material, Stevens had a hard time getting his Act approved due to network neutrality concerns. Opponents wanted guarantees that telcos wouldn't discriminate against competing content traffic if given a national video franchise.

"There is no way you can appease the people that say there is a net neutrality problem," Stevens complained a few months back. "It’s a fetish. It’s really something that doesn’t exist," opined Stevens. Stevens hoped to pass his bill during the Senate's "lame duck" session, but with the close of the 109th Congress, that possibility is dead -- for now.

Groups like "Save the Internet" and MoveOn are lauding the Act's death as a "Huge Victory for Real People." "Industry will be back with their money and phony grassroots groups," says Jeannine Kenney, senior policy analyst at Consumers Union. "But next time around, with a public now well-informed of what’s at stake, we hope Congress will take up broadband policy that advances consumer — not just industry — needs."

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homeshark

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I tell ya!

It's A Series Of Tubes!

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Re: I tell ya!

YES. He was trying to send an internet, and it got delayed. It's not like a truck you know. And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
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Re: I tell ya!

I notice that the communist pinko website moveon.org was happy this bill died. I am sure those pro-terrorist commie pinkos would love to see all franchises die and be replaced by government run (communist run) internet system where poor people and illegal aliens get free internet, and everyone else gets bent over having to pay for it.

Trust nothing Moveon.org believe in. They are communists, and the only good communist is a dead one!

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Re: I tell ya!

Man, I didn't know they had time travel to the future way back in the 1960's! Welcome to the 21st century, where practically nobody really believes in communism anymore, except maybe the North Koreans and the Cubans (the Chinese may still profess it, but they are getting more capitalistic by the day, which is a totally separate issue from their human rights record).

What I think many of us WOULD like to see is large, soul-less corporations no longer allowed to run roughshod over the democratic process, because they can in effect buy laws favorable to their way of doing business. This has been a problem since back in the days of the railroad barons and oil monopolies (did those ever REALLY get broken up?) but after that we had strong antitrust legislation, that unfortunately has been considerably weakened in recent years.

I am sure that 15 or 20 years ago, it would have been unthinkable to even talk about a merger the size of AT&T and BellSouth, yet here we are with the FCC playing the role of lap dog to the very corporations they're supposed to be regulating. Something is very wrong in this nation when the largest corporations have the power to subvert the democratic process, by throwing money around that they know they can recover simply by raising rates to their customers. Business is a wonderful thing (especially smaller, efficiently-run businesses) but the larger a business gets, the less respect it seems to have for both its employees and its customers, particularly when it has the government's aid in warding off competition.
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Re: I tell ya!

said by Wild Goose:

Man, I didn't know they had time travel to the future way back in the 1960's!
Um, if they have time travel anywhen it means they can go to whenever, pick up whomever and drop them whenever they like. I mean, that's the point of time travel, right?
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I guess all people in greenville FL are like this! Find a new home for this crap! Why don't you treat this like a sports forum and act civil!

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Is it over?

Help me out here. So is the fight over? Is that the end of it? Are the ewoks dancing?

I can't believe it hasn't gotten more attention if this is the final decision. I just looked at the yahoo telecom headlines and there is no mention of this.

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Re: Is it over?

said by T1 Rocky:

Help me out here. So is the fight over? Is that the end of it? Are the ewoks dancing?

I can't believe it hasn't gotten more attention if this is the final decision. I just looked at the yahoo telecom headlines and there is no mention of this.
The fight about "national franchising" isn't over. It will return in the new Congress. And if people think that because Dems are now in control, that things will change, think again. The only difference will be that the telcos will now be funneling their campaign cash to the Democratic Committee Chairpersons instead of Republican Committee Chairpersons to introduce a new National Franchise law. Any who think otherwise are EXTREMELY naive.
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Re: Is it over?

Chances are you won't hear the same people complain the Dems are doing it either.

Most funding usually goes to the winning party, this time it just happened to be GOP...
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Re: Is it over?

But is the net neutrality fight over?

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said by T1 Rocky:

But is the net neutrality fight over?
No, far from it. I am sure that "net neutrality" legislation will be introduced either as a standalone bill or as part of some larger telecom bill. And the chances in the Senate, where 60 votes are needed to override filibusters make its' passage a crap shoot. It may all depend on how comprehensive it is; the final wording; on which industries like or dislike what is proposed. And don't forget that Bush can veto any law that the admin doesn't like and the chances of override in the Senate would be slim.
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Re: I tell ya!

said by homeshark:

It's A Series Of Tubes!
I thought it was all just "a bunch of mumbo jumbo"... net neutrality that is..
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He's an Idiot!

Maybe he should shove his tubes up his ....

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Re: He's an Idiot!

You beat me to it...

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Sen Ted "Bridge to Nowhere" Stevens "Tubes" got clogged...

... and that's a very good thing!

One can only hope this totally clueless, corrupt, rotten old fart will soon disappear from the nation's legislative body so this (since his "tubes' now international) disgrace he represents will be finally over.

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Re: Sen Ted "Bridge to Nowhere" Stevens "Tubes" got clogged...

Well, the clueless SUPPORT stevens. Remember the famous quote from Retire Rich (aka TCH now).

"Debate period over; Senate now in consensus building phase

The Senate committee had months of hearings and the debate period is over. They made their decision. Further debate is wasted effort. And now they are doing what politicians also do - building Senate and public support for the decision they have already reached."
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said by kamm:

One can only hope this totally clueless, corrupt, rotten old fart will soon disappear from the nation's legislative body so this (since his "tubes' now international) disgrace he represents will be finally over.
The only way Ted Stevens will cease to be Senator from Alaska is if he dies in office. There is no way Alaskans will ever vote him out of office.
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Re: Sen Ted "Bridge to Nowhere" Stevens "Tubes" got clogged...

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The only way Ted Stevens will cease to be Senator from Alaska is if he dies in office. There is no way Alaskans will ever vote him out of office.

People in Alaska don't care about Net Neutrality so much (generally speaking).

Besides why would they vote him out...he brings home the bacon!
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Can Someone Explain...

How it is a victory if the bill didn't promulgate net neutrality protections where there were none to begin with? Or if the bottom line on killing the bill is to slow down the telco's video deployment?

Shouldn't the phrase be "A huge victory for real cable companies."

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Re: Can Someone Explain...

said by lesopp:

How it is a victory if the bill didn't promulgate net neutrality protections were not any to begin with? Or if the bottom line on killing the bill is to slow down the telco's video deployment?

Shouldn't the phrase be "A huge victory for real cable companies."
All that happened was that it will be more difficult and time consuming and expensive for telcos to rollout TV competition to the cable companies, as you say. How this is a victory for anyone but the cable companies is beyond me.

The only winners here are the local extorionist pols, and the advocates of government running and regulating telecom into the ground. And there are plenty of those. Just look at the posts earlier in this thread.
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Re: Can Someone Explain...

said by Resident telecom investor talking point mouthpiece :
All that happened was that it will be more difficult and time consuming and expensive for telcos to rollout TV competition to the cable companies.
Yes, that's why Verizon themselves admit that a national franchise law is unnecessary and the existing system doesn't slow them down at all.

»telephonyonline.com/home/news/ve···_092706/

quote:
Franchising is not holding us back,” said Virginia Ruesterholz, president of Verizon Telecom. “I really don’t see that as a necessity, to have nationwide relief on that.”
Odd.

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Re: Can Someone Explain...

said by Karl Bode:

Yes, that's why Verizon themselves admit that a national franchise law is unnecessary and the existing system doesn't slow them down at all.
quote:
Franchising is not holding us back,” said Virginia Ruesterholz, president of Verizon Telecom. “I really don’t see that as a necessity, to have nationwide relief on that.”
Odd.
And when taken in context (said at an investor conference), it makes perfect sense. She was trying to CONVINCE investors that government stupidity wouldn't jeopardize their continued investments in Verizon and that they could soldier on anyway and still make a profit.

What she didn't have to say, because investors know it well, is that the profits will come thru higher prices. The only ones being screwed are the customers who will pay higher prices because of the government's lack of foresight.
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What she didn't have to say, because investors know it well, is that the profits will come thru higher prices. The only ones being screwed are the customers who will pay higher prices because of the government's lack of foresight.
Feigned consumer empathy is so charming.

The point is that Fios deployment has not been significantly impeded by a lack of a federal franchise. Their relatively quick Fios deployments prove it, and her comments prove it. This, combined with their success at getting statewide franchises passed, makes the federal push largely a non-issue anyway.

Anyway, I take issue with the idea of federal or statewide franchises resulting in broad deployment and competitive utopia. I think that's a BS talking point regurgitated by investors and incumbent executives.

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Re: Can Someone Explain...

And what happened to them "states' rights" advocates?

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So your point is that presidents of a company will make up facts based on who they want to please. If they are talking to law makers than they will say local franchises hurt deployment and need to be removed. If they are talking to investors they will says that everything's ok, just keep the money rolling in.

If a local community wants to stall technology deployment in it's town, why should Uncle Sam and say they can't do that? Where in the Constitution is the right to tell a local community how to and not to evolve technologically given to the feds?
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said by Maxo:

So your point is that presidents of a company will make up factstailor their presentation based on who they want to please. If they are talking to law makers than they will say local franchises hurt deployment and need to be removed. If they are talking to investors they will says that everything's ok, just keep the money rolling in.
Uh Yeah!! Welcome to the real world - buyer beware!!
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Re: Can Someone Explain...

said by ThrowDemsOut:

said by Maxo:

So your point is that presidents of a company will make up factstailor their presentation based on who they want to please. If they are talking to law makers than they will say local franchises hurt deployment and need to be removed. If they are talking to investors they will says that everything's ok, just keep the money rolling in.
Uh Yeah!! Welcome to the real world - buyer beware!!
My point is that they can't be trusted. Why do you trust them when they say they can't advance technologies with these regulations. They are just saying it so they can do what they want without stipulations. The fact (by fact I mean my opinion;)) is that local governments should have the right to run their local governments the way they see fit. If they want to legislate themselves into the 19th century, that's their right.
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said by Karl Bode:

said by Resident telecom investor talking point mouthpiece :
All that happened was that it will be more difficult and time consuming and expensive for telcos to rollout TV competition to the cable companies.
Yes, that's why Verizon themselves admit that a national franchise law is unnecessary and the existing system doesn't slow them down at all.

»telephonyonline.com/home/news/ve···_092706/

quote:
Franchising is not holding us back,” said Virginia Ruesterholz, president of Verizon Telecom. “I really don’t see that as a necessity, to have nationwide relief on that.”
Odd.
From later in the same article:

"Though Verizon says it doesn’t need federal franchises, most observers agree they would accelerate and perhaps reduce the cost of Verizon’s video rollout. When Verizon reported having achieved 10% penetration of its video markets after six months in the second quarter, research analysis firm Ovum-RHK suggested those numbers could go much higher if federal franchising becomes a reality"

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Observer's suggested? Which observers? Investors like TCH? Free-market deregulatory think tanks?

And Ovum's guessing, probably based on data from the above minded individuals. Doubt they asked the Consumer's Union....or found objective data not spun by people eager to see local voters eliminated from the profit mechanism...
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Re: Can Someone Explain...

said by Karl Bode:

Observer's suggested? Which observers? Investors like TCH? Free-market deregulatory think tanks?
I really don't have a clue, I was just quoting the same source that you were.
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said by ThrowDemsOut:

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and the advocates of government running and regulating telecom into the ground....
so you think this current regime of almost no regulations (or at least no enforcement of regulation) is a huge success? If so, you must be ignorant or own lots of telecom stock.

you think monopoly/duopoly broadband and tv is good for consumers and the U.S.?

you think the U.S. dropping from 1st to 16th (or 21st or wherever we are now) in the world rankings is good?

all this and more has happened under the "no regulation is good regulation" FCC; broadband competition is non-existent and appears headed to stay that way for years to come. The longer it takes to get real competition, the further the U.S. falls behind the world leaders.

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Re: Can Someone Explain...

So how will more regulations encourage anything other than more "faux" competition? What's the end goal here in your opinion? Will bunches of companies just jump into the fray and be viable all of a sudden if we regulate more?

I have yet to see the pro-regulation crowd come up with an intelligent explanation for how more regulation will equal more competition. Reality has to set in at some point.

Adam

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Re: Can Someone Explain...

You make no sense. Regulation != competition. The reason the utilities are regulated, is because they are natural monopolies.

Lets look at broadband, and see WHY it's a natural monopoly.

#1: Barrier to entry. The cost of anyone NEW trying to enter the market is prohibitive. The existing telecom infrastrcture was paid for by the taxpayers. The existing cable infrastructure was paid for by the residents.

#2: No close substitutes. Umm, there is no substitute for broadband. Wifi, etc, are all limited, small deployements.

#3: Price maker. Umm, look at 'comcast', the so called 'bmw' of the internet. Overpriced for less service.

#4: Blocked Entry: Umm, telco's buying senators. nuff said.

Granted, the truth is we are a in a cartel a centralized institution is set up to partially coordinate the actions of several independent providers (which is a form of oligopoly). You have cable or DSL. Period.

However, By definition a monopoly allows exclusive sale or purchase of a product or service, however the control and exclusivity of a human need in the hands of another human is at its most dangerous when its basic availability is at stake - sooner or later the exclusivity is mishandled either intentionally or not. Slavery was clearly the ultimate result of monopoly. Look to your own future if we don't stop the megacorps NOW.
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said by Alpine:

So how will more regulations encourage anything other than more "faux" competition? What's the end goal here in your opinion? Will bunches of companies just jump into the fray and be viable all of a sudden if we regulate more?

I have yet to see the pro-regulation crowd come up with an intelligent explanation for how more regulation will equal more competition. Reality has to set in at some point.

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said by Alpine:

So how will more regulations encourage anything other than more "faux" competition? What's the end goal here in your opinion? Will bunches of companies just jump into the fray and be viable all of a sudden if we regulate more?

I have yet to see the pro-regulation crowd come up with an intelligent explanation for how more regulation will equal more competition. Reality has to set in at some point.

Adam
Let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

The 1996 telecom bill mandated (sounds like regulation to me!) line sharing by the ILECs. Sometime after the bill passed, there appeared these companies called Earthlink, Mindspring,Covad and others that came into being to provide internet service. You remember all those companies doncha? Hardly anyone left now and those that are left are barely hanging on; after all, line sharing was done away with a year or so ago.

For a while there actually was competition, because of a REGULATION requiring line sharing. Now this particular experiment didn't last very long because the ILECs fought tooth and nail against the CLECs, including doing illegal things to prevent them from connecting customers for DSL. Bell Atlantic/Verizon was fined a few $$$B (yes, that's a B for billion) for violating these laws/regulations. Ho hum, what's a few billion to destroy your competition?

I've got a regulation for you: mandate line sharing and severely and immediately levy HUGE fines against any ILEC obstructing or otherwise preventing competitors from offering and connecting service. I don't know if there are any companies out there willing to try again, but we might just get competition.

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Small government

Didn't this bill for a national franchise go against the conservative viewpoint of a smaller national government?
The power needs to lie in local communities to write it's own agreements. If the agreement is too pesky the company can reserve the right to not serve that community. In which case the community should have the option to build it themselves, or for someone else to come in and do the job the way the community wants it. Or the company can bite the bullet and agree to the local franchise. Either way, we don't need National Government telling Local Government how to act outside of what is offered in the Constitution.
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said by Maxo:

Didn't this bill for a national franchise go against the conservative viewpoint of a smaller national government?
Yup. The Republicans have been the party of Very Big Government for the past 6 years now. Very Big Government is not what conservatism is all about and Ted Stevens is not a conservative by any measure of the word. People like him, Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, and other professional legislators are the reason we need congressional term limits of some form.

I agree with you that the a national franchise would be an excessive over-reach of Federal authority into what should be a state and/or local matter. I for one am glad that this bill died just on those grounds alone.
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People like him, Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, and other professional legislators are the reason we need congressional term limits of some form.

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Local requirements make it more difficult to run a nationwide network. Diferent communities have different needs. One community will demand that pay-per-view broadcasts be blocked to prevent pron, other communities will say they want the provider to build a new parking lot. It makes things much easier to have a nationwide standard that hopefully won't upset too many people.

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said by hoyleysox:

Local requirements make it more difficult to run a nationwide network. Diferent communities have different needs. One community will demand that pay-per-view broadcasts be blocked to prevent pron, other communities will say they want the provider to build a new parking lot. It makes things much easier to have a nationwide standard that hopefully won't upset too many people.
Just because something is "more difficult" doesn't give the feds the right to regulate it. The federal government only has the right to regulate services that cross state borders.
So if I grow oranges here in Florida and sell them to my neighbor the feds have no right to tell me anything about my selling of the oranges. The local government can levy taxes and tell me my oranges have to be such-and-such. If I ship them to Georgia then the feds can come in and tell me what I can and can't do with my oranges.
If I own an orange grove in Florida, and an orange grove in California, it may be more difficult to have to deal with the regulations of each local government, but it's their right to be difficult.
For issues such as, which pesticides I use, the feds can regulate that because those spread into the water and into the ground and affect everyone, not just Floridians.
Power needs to stay in with the local governments where it belongs.
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This is surely the end of civilization as we know it!

Dangerous times indeed!

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It's full of Tubes.....

I guess his plan went down the "Tubes".

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What's ahead of us.

Well, this is a good sign. The Bells will test the waters and see if they can put it through one more time. Like others have mentioned, people are watching and calling.
I called both of my senators again yesterday. Did you?

However this all plays out, the end user will be the one paying for it. Frankly, I look for a price per gig model down the road. We will all hate it, but it is by far the lesser of 2 evils when compared to what may have happened in a two tiered model.
Speaking of two tiered..... Here is how I seen the lower tier working. You try and go to Kelly shoes..... who is a small local chain..... when you do....you get a screen that says "waiting to connect"....mean while.... a pop up....it says connect to Amazon shoes right away..... flashing nice ad's on both sides of the screen while you wait.
Say that won't happen? Who says? Some say they want no regulation...... under that paradigm it would happen.

What the Internet would end up looking like is another cable provider. You can select packages but not pick and choose. You can't effectively connect to Yahoo, Ben's place etc via DSL. You can't effectively connect to your favorite game servers via cable...... So we end up with lack of choice or you need to be connected to both...cable and dsl.....and its still the same price as it is today.
The faster pipes or tubes as a senator calls it we were suppose to see......never happened....all the new cash is going to the share holders. Just as it has in the past. Especially true if they are the gate keepers.

Net Neutrality will to some degree save us from all this. Its not going to save us from higher prices down the road. The price per gig is in our future. And it isn't so bad if you think about it.....no reason to block or degrade anything.....the more data you move the More the Bells and cable make. The less data they CAN move the less they may make. Much truer market forces will keep prices in check.

I see them all wanting you to have a OC3 to the home and using it...... the more the better for them. Because the connection is 10 bucks a month and you pay per gig. Price wars will keep it in check. You can go to any site you want.....stream HDTV.....from a hundred sites. Hell..... HDTV web cams would be coming.

Anyway.....a world where the Bells and Cables etc can limit choice and limit the Internet as a whole is not the route to go. These companies have a viable model via price per gig to work with and pay for the next generation Internet. When don't need to give it to them. They should avoid providing content and focus on what they really do best....the network and selling us all we can eat.

A generation of kids who live on the net are coming of age and will be eating all the "fast content" they can eat. (you heard that term here first)like fast food...a new addiction.... joke.

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Re: What's ahead of us.

Well said. I delivered a short speech about this issue a few weeks ago that you all might be interested to read. The future may be closer than you think..

»journals.aol.com/kmblaine11/Publ···ing2006/

plk
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA

Re: What's ahead of us.

Nice article KMKSU

your line: I recommend that we institute a mandatory public campaign finance policy, which would provide equal funding and media time to all competing candidate:

I have been saying that for years. Even if it cost us 50 billion, it would be cheaper then the damage done.

Has your student government joined the fight?
I can't believe every computer science dept in the nation aren't raising hell over this.
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KMKSU

join:2006-12-17
Atlanta, GA

Re: What's ahead of us.

Thanks plk!
And you're right, any expense to us would be worth it. Why can't the media provide the airtime though. It wouldn't cost them hardly anything.

And no, I don't even know if we have a student government. Nobody even knows about these issues around here. Nobody. We live in the heart of Bellsouth territory, we won't find out until after the fact. Welcome to the South.

plk
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Ogden, IA
Well, get permission to set up a table and hand out fliers. A few kids have sever clips on youtube that are great. Have that running on a laptop and on the fliers have some links.

Put a big banner out....The end of the Internet as we know it. That's what I would do.

Get a few friends to help man the stand. Just one day should be enough. If not.... go talk to computer science students.

Students usually don't pay attention to this. They worry about beer money and nookie. But knowing this just may change that to a small degree.

Many people have clips.....here is one I like.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP_3WnJ42kw

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KMKSU

join:2006-12-17
Atlanta, GA

Re: What's ahead of us.

I like that one too, I hadn't seen it before.
Trust me, I am doing everything that I can. But right now class is out for the holidays, and so is Congress. And when we return, I doubt if anyone (Bellsouth or other) would care even if the entire 25,000 + student body threatened suicide. You have to fight fire with fire around here, or else nobody listens. And unfortunately, that means we are going to need to get the word out through the media...and we know where their paychecks come from...as i said before, we can't compete with the big money, so we have to deal with the politicians. I think they want to do the right thing, most of them anyway. Ok some..
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join:2006-07-21

ted stevens

doesnt know what thr real world is like. hes been in the senate for nearly 40 yres. why put some old geezer like him in charge of an internet commitee? he doesnt know how the net works. i bet hes still on them ancient dial-up modems 14.4 kps speed lmao

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