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| Re: Oh, Brother! said by kyramilan  :Bill Gates has put a ton of DRM in Vista making it Windows ME revisted. If we are a free country, why do we need Gates & Windows? You don't need it or him..write your own OS..if its good I will buy it
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| Re: Oh, Brother! I rip CDs in my Creative Zen program. It ignores DRM pretty much. In fact, songs imported from WMP that wouldn't play in WMP, play fine in Creative Zen Media Organizer.
I have the Creative Zen M: 30 gig model. Love it. My iPod is neatly packed away (probably give it to my sisters 7 year old for Christmas). I tried the Zune but reliance on WMP 10 and constant "Update to WMP 11" requests made me take it back. I love it that I can store docs, PDF files, and such from work, transfer to my computer at home, work on them and email the final versions back to my office. | |
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1 edit | I did. I contributed to a little project known as Linux. Guess what? You can get it for free... legally. No need to buy it! Why not try it today? Best part is -- completely DRM free! | |
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| Re: Oh, Brother! "Why not try it today?"
Because it's a pain in the ass, unlike windows?
Of course, the proper question to ask is: WHY do you all run to use Bills latest crap, enrich Microsoft over and over and suffer his increasing control over you when you have a perfectly good OS in XP allready?
You all whine about evil Bill and his bloodsucking corporation, yet you all cant wait to run right out to give them your money and suffer with their crap, bloated, heavilly controlled software, never mind the money outlay for extra hardware, just to be able to run the frikken eye candy GUI. Makes no sense. | |
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| Re: Oh, Brother! Bill Gates is knocking itunes when he says ripping CDs better than DRM. The Irony is his products (Zune, I am looking at you)has some of the most draconian DRM in the business. My guess is this is just another attempt by MS to control the market and have vendor lock in to one of their formats. MS is edging around to stating that DRM is broken and only we can fix it; so, the industry should use our DRM standard. This in another attempt by MS to screw Zune's competition especially the ipod. | |
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| Re: Oh, Brother! One must remember that it isn't MS controlling the DRM policies on content from the RIAA/MPAA, it's those organizations themselves. I believe even Steve Jobs said something a while back about the music industry being stupid trying to implement DRM that will just end up being circumvented anyway.
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| Re: Oh, Brother! said by scrummie02 :One must remember that it isn't MS controlling the DRM policies on content from the RIAA/MPAA, it's those organizations themselves. I agree. It is the music companies that force Apple and Microsoft to put DRM on their music download services. Both would prefer to sell music w/o DRM. That way they could sell more music and more hardware players.
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Probably the same bunch of people who decided Firefox was "the browser you can trust".
More like bloggers who think outside the MS box or any box for that matter. 
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| emusic is apples and oranges They mostly sell unknown artists that need the exposure. Of course they aren't losing sales because no one was buying them anyways. Metalica used to encourage their fans to bring in recorder and tape their shows before they got really big. Now they are very much against that type of stuff. The artists that sell their stuff on e-music will be the same way if they ever get big. Nature of the beast. | |
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| Re: emusic is apples and oranges While I like Metallica and their music, they really are the biggest bunch of sell-outs on the planet. I know that the bulk of that responsibility falls on that slimey little worm Lars "Give Me More Money" Ulrich's shoulders. He acts like he's God's gift to drummers but there are many people out there that can keep a beat way better than he can. | |
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| How does selling music DRM-free have anything to do with being big? (Apart from the fact that the big artists typically belong to big labels who fear non-DRM-ed music.)
If the artists (or labels) are selling CDs then they are already selling non-DRM-ed music. What's the difference between selling me a plain, MP3 with no DRM and selling me a normal CD? If I wanted to put my purchased music on a P2P group (which I wouldn't want to do), it would only take a quick run through any of a dozen or more CD ripping programs. The plain MP3 might save me this step, but that's not taking out that big of a speed bump out of my way. As for DRM-ed music, all it takes is one person to crack the DRM (or loop the audio out to a line in port) and the file can be shared to many users.
I think that the recording industry should put aside their fear of piracy for a moment and craft a system that would appeal to many users. (Think eMusic meets AllOfMP3 meets Amazon.com's recommendation engine.) I'd be willing to bet that, should the system be designed well and should the pricing be done right, piracy would drop as people would be more willing to buy legit. | |
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| Re: emusic is apples and oranges said by Jason Levine :How does selling music DRM-free have anything to do with being big? (Apart from the fact that the big artists typically belong to big labels who fear non-DRM-ed music.) because as I pointed out when Metalica was new and looking for exposure they were all for people comming to concerts and recording their stuff and freely sharing it among firends. Now they are 180 degress of that. And it has NOTHING to do with thier label. It's them. Why the change? Um....maybe because they sell MILLIONS of albums now without the need of word of mouth?
If the artists (or labels) are selling CDs then they are already selling non-DRM-ed music. What's the difference between selling me a plain, MP3 with no DRM and selling me a normal CD? If I wanted to put my purchased music on a P2P group (which I wouldn't want to do), it would only take a quick run through any of a dozen or more CD ripping programs. Most people barely know how to operate their computers. They don't know the first thing about ripping programs. How to get one or how to use one. Those that do aren't the one the music industry are worried about because they'll never pay anyways. They just don't want Mr and Mrs Average Joe to get this "get music for free" notion in the head.
I think that the recording industry should put aside their fear of piracy for a moment and craft a system that would appeal to many users. (Think eMusic meets AllOfMP3 meets Amazon.com's recommendation engine.) I'd be willing to bet that, should the system be designed well and should the pricing be done right, piracy would drop as people would be more willing to buy legit.
Good luck with that. First thing they have to dump is this one price fits all thing. A song from 1974 should not cost as much as a newer song. | |
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| Re: emusic is apples and oranges said by BF69 :said by Jason Levine :How does selling music DRM-free have anything to do with being big? (Apart from the fact that the big artists typically belong to big labels who fear non-DRM-ed music.) because as I pointed out when Metalica was new and looking for exposure they were all for people comming to concerts and recording their stuff and freely sharing it among firends. Now they are 180 degress of that. And it has NOTHING to do with thier label. It's them. Why the change? Um....maybe because they sell MILLIONS of albums now without the need of word of mouth Coincidentally, I stumbled upon a site two days ago while looking for some Chanukah songs. The website ( »https://www.werkshop.com/bnllive/index.jsp ) was selling Barenaked Ladies songs in DRM free MP3 format for $0.99 per song. (FLAC and CDs were also available.) I did some research and discovered that the Barenaked Ladies left their label two years ago and went independent. (One of the reasons was that their former label, Warner, was suing music fans.) Now that they are independent, they are selling their songs online as well as in stores. I bought four songs from them for $3.96 making my first digital music purchases: Hanukkah Blessings, Snowman, Hanukkah Oh Hanukkah, and I Have A Little Dreidel. I plan on going back to their site and buying some of their live concert MP3s also.
Barenaked Ladies definitely doesn't need any more exposure. They are selling their MP3s unprotected because they trust their fans and don't think that fans should be automatically treated like criminals. | |
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Customers today tell me that why can't they transfer songs from there iPod and play them on there PC. Clearly I told them it's because of DRM, if they wanted too they could install iTunes but some of them give me the smerck.
So far here in Miami, I have not seen anyone with a Zune, and just more people with white ear buds. Bill Gates, is simply giving his consumer point of view on this and although many people say "but this is my business or political point of view" yet have other point of views that are completely opposite it's fair to say that they don't agree with there own mentality.
Microsoft is going to struggle and struggle but eventually the RIAA is going to be a dead horse. When that happens the music industry would be shattered and we shall be a bunch of new faces and maybe even new music hit up the industry. On top of that sound engineers will be in high demand as buying yourself equipment to make your own music is as much as purchasing a new car.
I plan to pay around 10-20K in studio equipment for live sound & digital recording. Something like that is completely unncessary for some garage band. Since I brought Garage band up what about the application "Garageband" itself by Apple computer?
Eventually the future artists will be making there own music, the way I see it and will have there own websites where they post there music and ask for donations. The more popular the song becomes the more donations you might receive and in the end all that money goes in your band and it's split amongst each member. I see a bright future if the RIAA does die, and the end of most DRM and music distribution's that are here today, and what was once the iTunes music store shall be "iTunes global sharing Network" where artists pay a monthly fee and can submit there music to the world to see.
As for hollywood which is out of ideas, they have been more smarter and have been pushing to move there content online and one example is they are now on iTunes. ABC is also pushing to put there content online as well.
As we move more and more to online forms of distributions we are talking about huge demand for high speed internet services. With that said, it seems it's time for the telecommunications industry to do massive increases towards it's infrastructure. | |
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Lindenhurst, NY | What he feels and what companies make him do are different Its most likely the riaa,and MPaa controlling the drm in windows vista.
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1 edit | Re: What he feels and what companies make him do are different said by majortom1029 :Its most likely the riaa,and MPaa controlling the drm in windows vista. I Think if it were up to gates himself he would not have it in there. How about that ridiculous WGA Bill Gates has? Office 2007 won't allow other programs to open .doc or .xls files. I also love it that Microsoft knows what is on my computer that is NOT Microsoft. I like my ATI video card software just the way it is!
How about Vista NOT srewing up existing drivers? IT at work decided XP Pro was fine. Why? They didn't want to get calls from everyone asking why doesn't xxxx no longer work?
How about Zune not being Play for Sure compatible?
Gates can shove his Zune and Jobs can shove his iPod (like it but replacing a battery takes an Act of Congress and costs about as much as you paid for the thing--iTunes music is poor quality--I rip CDs in 256k MP3s). If you have a brain, get a IRiver or a Creative Zen.
And, WHY is the Zune sold in the UGLIEST colors possible? Brown? What idiot decided Brown would be popular? They call it the "Chocolate" Zune?
While I'm on a rant, how about NOT putting Microsoft's crappy software on cellphones. I want to make a call not figure out how many steps it takes to change the background picture. How about releasing a OS that works fine instead of needing 12 updates every week because some idiot geek at Microsoft couldn't think 2 seconds into the future? Nice when you buy a new computer and run Microsoft update to find you need 54 updates! | |
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| Re: What he feels and what companies make him do are different said by kyramilan :said by majortom1029 :Its most likely the riaa,and MPaa controlling the drm in windows vista. I Think if it were up to gates himself he would not have it in there. How about that ridiculous WGA Bill Gates has? Office 2007 won't allow other programs to open .doc or .xls files. I also love it that Microsoft knows what is on my computer that is NOT Microsoft. I like my ATI video card software just the way it is! How about Vista NOT srewing up existing drivers? IT at work decided XP Pro was fine. Why? They didn't want to get calls from everyone asking why doesn't xxxx no longer work? How about Zune not being Play for Sure compatible? Gates can shove his Zune and Jobs can shove his iPod (like it but replacing a battery takes an Act of Congress and costs about as much as you paid for the thing--iTunes music is poor quality--I rip CDs in 256k MP3s). If you have a brain, get a IRiver or a Creative Zen. And, WHY is the Zune sold in the UGLIEST colors possible? Brown? What idiot decided Brown would be popular? They call it the "Chocolate" Zune? While I'm on a rant, how about NOT putting Microsoft's crappy software on cellphones. I want to make a call not figure out how many steps it takes to change the background picture. How about releasing a OS that works fine instead of needing 12 updates every week because some idiot geek at Microsoft couldn't think 2 seconds into the future? Nice when you buy a new computer and run Microsoft update to find you need 54 updates! Wow you are very uninformed.
First off don't blame Microsoft for 3rd parties not having good drivers.
Do you blame all the linux distros because you equipment doesnt work on linux?
Or Blame apple because some hardware doesnt work on os x ?
Also most xp drivers work on vista . In reality xp drivers should not work on vista at all , since that is what is causing a lot of the problems in vista in the first place.
Also then rant about linux too. We still cant update one of our linux servers because everytime we do it hoses the os and we have to redo the image.
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| Re: What he feels and what companies make him do are different majortom1029
Upgrading from XP to Vista shouldn't make drivers from ATI not work. It is also funny a DVD drive wasn't recognized.
If you want Vista, buy a computer with it already installed! Even Microsoft kinda advises that.
Uninformed? Zune does NOT support Play for Sure. And, yes, the brown Zune is the ugliest MP3 player I've ever seen, and the stupiest idea for a color ever.
How about PROVING what I said was wrong?
If your "techs" that installed Linux on your servers can't upgrade, hire a geek that can or call IBM. IBM has no problems updating ours.
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| Re: What he feels and what companies make him do are different for crying out loud ATI has had a Vista version of ATI drivers for nearly a year, in both 32, and 64 bit versions. Don't blame faulty downloads for a systemic problem.
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| First off ME and my boss both couldnt get it installed. We are the techs. I have been though every single way of doing it and still nothing.
A brand new operating system should not allow previous OS drivers to be installed period but microsoft allows it.
Also dont blame hardware not being recognized on microsft blame the third party.
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| said by kyramilan :Gates can shove his Zune and Jobs can shove his iPod (like it but replacing a battery takes an Act of Congress and costs about as much as you paid for the thing Just for my own info, where can I buy a $16 iPod?
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| Re: Bill Gates is an Idiot and Hypocrite... said by Vamp :Need I say more? Yea.. because your post makes no sense...
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Actually, Bill gates is a modern day robber baron, nothing more, nothing less. | |
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| Re: Bill Gates: Ripping CDs Better Than DRM said by CPM :Bill Gates is a hypocrite. Bill Gates has put a ton of DRM in Vista and Zune Player. Exactly why I HATE the Zune and returned it. | |
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| Re: Bill Gates: Ripping CDs Better Than DRM You did not know that Zune had DRM before you bought it? It was very well known, that Zune player only played DRM music and WMA audio only.
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| Re: Bill Gates: Ripping CDs Better Than DRM said by CPM :You did not know that Zune had DRM before you bought it? It was very well known, that Zune player only played DRM music and WMA audio only. Ummm, no, they don't seem to like to advertise the fact Play for Sure is NOT compatible. DRM wasn't the issue since you can bypass DRM. | |
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Lindenhurst, NY | What bill gates wants and what he has to do Stop bashing bill gates. We all know that just like The eu, that if microsoft didnt put in all the drm that The riaa and mpaa would sue them.
Just because drm is in their doesnt mean they want it to be in there. | |
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Bakersfield, CA | Long live MP3. I still rip only to MP3 using exact audio copy and lame. I wasn't aware that the Zune didn't support MP3 at all, that's just stupid. Gates is right, just buy a CD and rip it. | |
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Plainfield, IN | Re: Why Buy Songs You Don't Want Just To Get One Song... You just took a lossy format and made it worse by re-encoding it.
That is assuming you did not buy it in a lossless format. I don't know if you can do that anyway. I guess you can tell I haven't bought music in a while... | |
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| $$$ Hahaha i find it funny that everyone complains bill this, bill that...he does not want DRM, it's RIAA...he does want DRM - look at zune! etc etc.....
The fact of the matter is, if i had 1% of bill gates money, i wouldn't care if i got it selling crack to pregnant nuns!
As many have said before, you gotta look out for #1. If you happen to be microsoft, that means your bottom line - dollars and cents. | |
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| Re: Oh Really?! said by Pictor Guy :Wonder if ol' Billie would be singing a different tune if the MSN Music Store was doing well. He seems to like DRM for everything else. Or is it possible he was actually giving his own opinion rather than a business standpoint?
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| Re: All I want.... The only time i've used an online service with DRM was when Pepsi was doing the free songs in iTunes promotion. That was it. Of course, after downloading the song I immediatly used one of the many tools that remove the protection on the m4p file and change it into a normal m4a file.
Currently, the only online music store I will use is www.trackidown.net. While they do not offer conventional music, they are the only place I can find good trance/etc, and the best part is that once you purchase the music you can download in either 320kbps mp3, or wav. Why more online music stores cant be like this is dumbfounding. If a person doesnt want to buy a song, they arent going to buy it. DRM isn't going to increase sales, it will only hurt them. | |
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2 edits | Re: All I want.... I guess you haven't heard of »www.beatport.com then, quite likely the most popular electronic dance music store online.
And there are many other stores that offer similar music losslessly (even via FLAC, though not as many).
This site (while focusing on breaks) has a rather formidable list of stores where MP3s, WAVs and FLACs can be had: »www.bijoubreaks.com/forums/viewt···p?t=5343 | |
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