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Cox Customers Get Powerboost
Virginia first, less competitive markets later
by anon 12:21PM Wednesday Dec 20 2006
Cox has announced that their customers will now be seeing the "Powerboost" technology that Comcast customers have been cheering about since last summer. The new feature is available in Cox's Northern Virginia system today and will be launched in Cox markets across the country "on a market-by-market basis," according to the cable provider. Northern Virginia continues to be one of the nation's most competitive markets.

Powerboost delivers an additional chunk of bandwidth during the first quarter or half of a significant download -- provided network capacity is available -- after which the speed is throttled back to your regular capped speed. The service is designed to please users who occasionally grab large files and is less useful for p2p users eager for sustained throughput.

According to Cox, speeds will be boosted up to twice as fast for Cox Preferred package customers, while Premier customers will see boosts of up to 33%. There's some initial speed test results in our Cox forum, where some users already report speeds as high as 19203kbps. Some Comcast users have seen speeds as high as 64,000kbps.

While the system does not offer increased upstream speeds, Comcast has left the possibility open. "Right now our customers say our current upstream speeds meet their needs," a Comcast spokesperson recently stated. "But we'll continue to monitor what our customers want, and PowerBoost for uploads could be something we offer later."

As it stands, Powerboost gives Cox and Comcast some marketing fodder to help compete with Fios while they slog toward deployment of DOCSIS 3.0, which will offer downstream data rates of 160 Mbps or higher and upstream data rates of 120 Mbps or higher (per channel).

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xrobertcmx
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Sterling, VA

I landed a speed test

At about 20Mb last night, and I have their premier package. I was wondering why it was higher then normal.
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chemaupr

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Alexandria, VA

Re: I landed a speed test

I have seen speeds as high as 14mbps for the preffered package. Not bad. Loving it!

Darkfairy
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Louisville, KY
My connection here has always done this. I always land between 20 and 30 Megabits, depending on conditions, time of day etc.

You know, this sounds a bit like marketing to me. Most cable networks will be bursty during the first few seconds, provided your TCP/IP stack isn't more or less a hacked together piece of... well, you know. This is just the nature of DOCSIS.

Download Speed: 27205 kbps (3400.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 2123 kbps (265.4 KB/sec transfer rate)

It will normally settle a little lower (again, depending on time of day), but I often sustain 3000+ Kilobytes/sec.
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xrobertcmx
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Sterling, VA

Re: I landed a speed test

I don't get that high, but last night I got:
20-12-2006 12:43 AM j-speed 20393 Kbps/2181 Kbps
Which really isn't to bad.
I normally download at over 1MB a second.
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53059959
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PwnZone
1700k down, 1800k up. speed actually has gone down there.

swintec
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Alfred, ME
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Upstream, Yea Right...

"Right now our customers say our current upstream speeds meet their needs"...What customers are they asking???
chemaupr

join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA

Re: Upstream, Yea Right...

Well, cox do give us some nice upload in our area, 2mpbs in the both standard packages. Will like some more, but is way better than those 500+,700+ or 1mbps that other people have, if they are lucky and not stuck with 250kbps uploads.

dvd536
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Re: Upstream, Yea Right...

said by chemaupr:

Well, cox do give us some nice upload in our area, 2mpbs in the both standard packages. Will like some more, but is way better than those 500+,700+ or 1mbps that other people have, if they are lucky and not stuck with 250kbps uploads.
ONLY because you're in a FIOS area
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Doctor Four
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Probably the ones that use their broadband for email and
websurfing only.

They're probably a significant chunk of Cox's (or any
broadband ISP's) customer base.
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swintec
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I didnt realize Cox actually gave decent upstream speeds. I am not usually one to complain about speeds, as I know I am lucky to have broadband out in my area, but TW's rumored speed upgrade of 10 mbit down....384 up made me cringe. I kow they never asked me if what they offered was sufficient.
squid7
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Cool...

...but I'd rather see more generous monthly caps instead.

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Re: Cool...

R U kiddin me? My buddy with Cox got PB and now he walks like he's someone else!

(but his girlfriend claims no change in any dept whatsoever, much to his chagrin)
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xrobertcmx
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I don't know what caps Cox has. I routinely download very DVD ISO images and seed them back on Bittorrent, all while streaming di.fm and working on my homework (Forgot about that when I went back to college).
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squid7
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Re: Cool...

I dunno if it's the same for every market but in Orange County, CA it's 40GB/mo for their standard service and 60GB/mo for the premiere service. In the 10 years I've had Cox I've only gotten 1 nastygram. Here so long as you don't go over all the time they don't care but I find myself having to curb my usage to avoid exceeding caps every month.

For 99% of subs the caps aren't a problem but for me they are. Of course as bad as the caps may be (IMO anyway) our POTS service was so bad I can't imagine what AT&T's DSL service would be like here.

At my other place, I had gotten 2 nastygrams from Comcast in the 3 years I had them, and none when I had ATTBi (eventhough my useage pattern hadn't changed). Now that I have FIOS there my Comcast headache is only a bad memory. Verizon doesn't seem to care no matter how much I use.

Again, caps no matter who the provider is only affects a small percentage of us who are download whores. But I do appreciate Cox plainly stating their caps so we all can judge the value of the service BEFORE buying unlike Comcast who even after sending a nastygram refuses to disclose what point prompted the nastygram.
xrobertcmx
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Re: Cool...

I forgot about that. I have Viatalk VOIP for my home telephone as well.
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Topmounter
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Verizon doesn't seem to care no matter how much I use.


I bet Comcast cares a lot less now as well.

Viva la Competition!

exocet_cm
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New Orleans, LA
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New Orleans

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I wonder if this is what they were testing in August... or if mine was just a fluke...
alfnoid
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I believe "PowerBoost" is a comcast technology only.

»www.comcast.net/help/faq/index.j···ost18502

patented-pending no less.
From what I have read I think that COX uses the PCMM spec for this.

Bursting is kinda neat to have. Helps out with the short downloads and takes a little time off of the larger ones.

peace

Karl Bode
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Re: I believe "PowerBoost" is a comcast technology only.

quote:
patented-pending no less.
From what I have read I think that COX uses the PCMM spec for this.
My understanding is that PCMM is used for Cox's speed preview service, but since they cite "powerboost" by name in the press release it looks like they struck a deal w/Comcast to share Comcast's home-brewed Powerboost solution.
alfnoid
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Interesting.
Now comcast can sell the name too!
What a marketing machine they have huh?

peace
squid7
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Is it Comcast's or just used by Comcast and owned by someone else.
alfnoid
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My understanding of all this is that the technologies being used are actually different.
Comcast's is of their own devising and COX's is from the PacketCable MultiMedia (PCMM) spec.

"PowerBoost" is patent pending like I mentioned earlier, but the name as such I am not sure.

I swear that I saw it with the little TM next to it before, but if you do a quick google search for what I have in quotes you will see all different kinds of things using the same name. I also don't see that little TM next to it on comcast.net anymore.

I dunno maybe they tried, but couldn't copyright it?

peace

cypherstream
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Reading, PA
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I had to laugh at Comcast's Response on Upload

I really had to laugh when I read this:

"Right now our customers say our current upstream speeds meet their needs," a Comcast spokesperson recently stated. "But we'll continue to monitor what our customers want, and PowerBoost for uploads could be something we offer later."

Uh, Comcast are you all sleeping just like that tech caught on youtube earlier this year? You haven't been monitoring what your customers want because your still using 384 kbps upload in my area.

dvd536
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Re: I had to laugh at Comcast's Response on Upload

said by cypherstream:

I really had to laugh when I read this:

"Right now our customers say our current upstream speeds meet their needs," a Comcast spokesperson recently stated. "But we'll continue to monitor what our customers want, and PowerBoost for uploads could be something we offer later."

Uh, Comcast are you all sleeping just like that tech caught on youtube earlier this year? You haven't been monitoring what your customers want because your still using 384 kbps upload in my area.
Oh get real(cable companies) if you asked your subs what they'd like, i bet a majority of them would say more upload.
Upload can always be used unlike token downstream speed increases which go largely unused. thats why they dont mind giving more down speed.
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fiberguy
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Re: I had to laugh at Comcast's Response on Upload

"Oh get real(cable companies) if you asked your subs what they'd like, i bet a majority of them would say more upload."

Care to place that bet?

Maybe people around here and a small portion of the tech geeks out there, but I would GLADLY take you up on that bet.

On my own little test of, oh 5 years worth of contacts, I can tell you that people are happy with 1) how "fast" their pages load and how fast they can download their music and email attachments.. and then 2) a lower price.

Many people, asked if there were slower speeds/price plans available. These people, so you know, ranged from the poor areas to the very wealthy areas. Yes, believe it or not, even those with money don't really care to pay $42.00 for broadband.. hell, most of the people WITH money were rather frugal and didn't purchase as much cable offerings as one would think.

This is from first hand experience. Also, yea, there are many studies out there, not to mention hard statistics, that shows the actual usage on the networks.
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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

good, only IF

this is a good thing, only IF it causes Verizon to further increase the speed rates of it's customers again!
20/5 isn't enough... do I hear 30/15?

:-P

dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ
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Poison

All this is going to do is poison speedtest results.
And why do the people that pay the most(premiere) only get one sixth of the boost that standard(preferred) users get?
Why doesn't that surprise me?
and how does one get 64mbps when both modems and nodes max(currently) at 38mbps?
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retiredat44
North San Diego County

join:2002-08-13
Vista, CA

Re: Poison

Does Time Warner / RoadRunner read news about competitors? They don't seem to care .... You lucky bastages with Cox Cable don't know how good you have it..

MacLeech
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SoCal
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Re: Poison

Do you read news about Time Warner? You don't seem to care that they are in one of the most complicated transitions in cable history... and it's not done yet: »www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA6396851.html

said by CED article :
Some of the other transitions weren't so effortless, however. There were 100 billing databases and 21 separate billing conversions, just 11 of which have been converted, Boncimino notes.

There are also 1,745 local franchise authorities and organizations involved and 88,000 people hours that have been invested thus far in the transition to convert 350 Adelphia and Comcast local offices. And it's not over yet.

"We have a very aggressive plan, with six teams running in parallel. We converted 12,000 employees to payroll in two weeks, re-branded statements for customers, and have 80 new stocking locations. Now, we're getting the training into the field," Boncimino says.
You been told this numerous times and you even agreed to wait it out knowing that some things won't be corrected until at least January: »www2.dslreports.com/forum/remark···=january

Then again in reality, you can probably call and get either bumped up to the next higher tier of service which others in YOUR area have or get moved over to the higher speed Roadrunner service tiers (from the "grandfathered" Adelphia tier you are currently on) which many others have in the San Diego area.

On top of all that, you seem to have missed the news in the last few weeks that Time Warner was increasing speeds soon anyway: »Time Warner's 'Quiet' 10Mbps Upgrade

P.S. You should ask the Carlsbad city council why they want to jack up the cable franchise fees that Time Warner customer's pay in their cable bill: Union-Tribune - Carlsbad pursuing higher cable franchise fee
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Great....

Another company releasing fake upgrades that only burst long enough to fool speed tests and people into thinking their real cap is really higher than it is.


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Methadras

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

virginia, why...?

how did virginia become the epicenter of these upgrade paths from verizon to cox...?
rhdcheme

join:2006-11-18
Lorton, VA

Re: virginia, why...?

said by Methadras:

how did virginia become the epicenter of these upgrade paths from verizon to cox...?
Ever heard of Fairfax County or Arlington County?

Rob A
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Pompton Plains, NJ

Everyone is...

Upgrading to try and stay competative with FiOS.
short09

join:2006-07-21

i say

cox should just go ahead and raise upstraem speeds to like 1.5mbps. even a 50% upstream raise would be helpful, i think this powerboost is just a con job. the people who pay more should get double speed on powerboost imo. while people on preferred level should get the 1/3 raise. i also think that cox has its priorities not in order
fiberguy
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Re: i say

I'm sure it's just as easy as 'flipping that switch' eh?

There is probably a reason why they simply don't just raise the upload. The moment the upload is raised and people are being told they are getting "up to 1.5" meg in speeds, all people here is 1.5 and fall deaf to the UP TO part of that statement. Think maybe the network isn't quite ready to take that load just yet? You think they are ready to start taking those calls and running out multiple times on those calls of "I'm not getting all the speed I'm supposed to on the upload".. ?

If it's just a 'con job', then why are you getting the faster speeds? Would you rather not have them at all? Again, maybe the people on higher speeds are not getting double that speed is, again, maybe the network can't handle it or isn't ready for it.
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