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gh4456
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join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | Way Behind EV-DO With 3 major carriers using EVDO (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel) - Cingular is way behind. When these 3 companies all have sharing agreements, their product will be far superior to what Cingular can offer alone. | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | Re: Way Behind EV-DO Excuse me, but Alltel is not a major carrier. It borrows Verizon's network more often than none. If we flip the coin and claim that Suncom is a major network, then you have Cingular, T-Mobile and Suncom that are not about to just give up and die. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| Re: Way Behind EV-DO said by verolom  :Excuse me, but Alltel is not a major carrier. It borrows Verizon's network more often than none. If we flip the coin and claim that Suncom is a major network, then you have Cingular, T-Mobile and Suncom that are not about to just give up and die. actually, when it comes to rural coverage, Alltel has the largest footprint. Dont get me wrong, I am not defending them, they are a crap carrier...but I'm not going to deny the truth. When you are roaming in the boonies with your verizon phone, alltel is providing that coverage. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·T-Mobile US
1 edit | said by gh4456 :With 3 major carriers using EVDO (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel) - Cingular is way behind. When these 3 companies all have sharing agreements, their service will be far superior to what Cingular can offer alone. First and foremost AllTel is anything but a serious carrier, let's not talk utter nonsense here, OK?
You only have Sprint and VZ's EV-DO against HSDPA.
First Cingular, similar to Sprint but unlike VZ is giving here VERY CONSERVATIVE numbers - here, in Downtown NYC, probably one of the busiest spots I have a regular 1-1.2Mbit any time of a day - and it's my TyTn, not a card which would be typically a tad faster with less latency.
Secondly Cingular is not only typically faster than Verizon (as it should be actually obvious since this week Rev A upgrade that only brought VZ to close to Cingular) but also has a non-restrictive policy unlike VZ.
Third the current Cingular equipment can scale up HSDPA to 14Mb/s without upgrades, Cingular only needs more backbone to support it.
In other words Cingular is just as much as way behind as much as AllTell is a major nationwide carrier. (Hint: BS  )
PS: coverage IS somewhat still behind VZ or Sprint, don't get me wrong but that's obvious, I think. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Way Behind EV-DO I agree.. the Option GT 3.6 card already being sold runs HSDPA Class 6 at upto 3.6 Mbps. | |
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jeeeadddd
@spcsdns.net
| Re: Way Behind EV-DO I have this card and it is awful. The antenna must be popped out to get a signal. I've also lost the antenna (but found it). Don't get this card.
Problem with Cingular is they are hiding that many of these markets only have UMTS, not HSDPA. UMTS is notably slower than HSDPA. Ping times are also very sporadic compared to EVDO.
I'm sticking with Sprint EVDO for now. RevA currently outperforms HSDPA.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Re: Way Behind EV-DO said by jeeeadddd :
I have this card and it is awful. The antenna must be popped out to get a signal. I've also lost the antenna (but found it). Don't get this card.
Problem with Cingular is they are hiding that many of these markets only have UMTS, not HSDPA. UMTS is notably slower than HSDPA. Ping times are also very sporadic compared to EVDO.
Stop spreading these ignorant BS. | |
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jeeeedddd
@spcsdns.net
| I have this card and it is awful. The antenna must be popped out to get a signal. I've also lost the antenna (but found it). Don't get this card.
Problem with Cingular is they are hiding that many of these markets only have UMTS, not HSDPA. UMTS is notably slower than HSDPA. Ping times are also very sporadic compared to EVDO.
I'm sticking with Sprint EVDO for now. RevA currently outperforms HSDPA and Sprint has the largest broadband network.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Way Behind EV-DO said by jeeeedddd :
RevA currently outperforms HSDPA Usually we don't even bother to answer Anonymous Cowards but here's an exception: stop spreading BS. | |
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j33333j3j33
@spcsdns.net
| Actually, Alltel has significant EVDO rollout coming in January. It is only is certain states, but in terms of area, it is huge.
»alltel.com/business/enhanced/mob···tate=nat
Sprint and Alltel have DO agreements while Verizon does not, so Sprint/Alltel have the greatest advantage of all carriers. | |
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Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | Your attempt to counter my argument with who has a better product is flawed.
said by kamm :PS: coverage IS somewhat still behind VZ or Sprint, This is my argument exactly. I am not saying EVDO is better than HSDPA, but you take 2 major carriers (removing Alltel) - and you get a sharing agreement between them, and you win handsdown for most people who need data services.
Does Cingular have a better product? Well thats up in the air, but with this sort of technology, the bigger the better. With Sprint and Verizon's networks, and decent flow of funds to improve and upgrade, I think you will see them win. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
2 edits | Re: Way Behind EV-DO said by gh4456 :Your attempt to counter my argument with who has a better product is flawed. You had no specific argument whatsoever, there's nothing to counter.
said by kamm :PS: coverage IS somewhat still behind VZ or Sprint, This is my argument exactly. I am not saying EVDO is better than HSDPA, but you take 2 major carriers (removing Alltel) - and you get a sharing agreement between them, and you win handsdown for most people who need data services.
Does Cingular have a better product? Well thats up in the air,
For you, perhaps but apparently the rest of the world disagree with you...
but with this sort of technology, the bigger the better.
Umm what? Why is that? And if it's true then EV-DO is close to death considering the overwhelming majority of the world uses HSDPA.
With Sprint and Verizon's networks, and decent flow of funds to improve and upgrade, I think you will see them win.
Hardly. They will have to invest way more than Cingular just to keep up with HSDPA once Cingular gets the bakcbone, let alone EV-DO broadband service is still behind Cingular's HSDPA in many ways. Sprint has nice speeds but their call quality was the most cr5aptastic on the Northeast where I tested.
And we didn't even count the 900lbs gorilla, T-Mobile, who's about to start its HSDPA in 6-8 months... | |
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Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-07
Beverly Hills, CA
1 edit | Re: Way Behind EV-DO When has the world decided what the US uses? If that were the case we would all be on GSM. As for EVDO, well apparently you missed this »EVDO Rev. C Gets a Sexier Name
But who cares, they will probably both die out to WiMax  | |
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join:2004-05-24
Joliet, IL
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| Re: Way Behind EV-DO said by gh4456 :When has the world decided what the US uses? Actually there is a major world wide push, backed by the FCC, to get most all the cellular type services pushed up to the 2100Mhz band. The current bands are becoming very crowded with public services and they need more. This would have huge advantages for people who travel because their phone would work everywhere! | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Who cares what they are sharing. When you are sharing turds, you still have turds.
EV-DO is dead tech. When you are maxed out at 3.6Mbps Cingular will be trucking along at 14.4Mbps. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Re: Way Behind EV-DO Oh please, stop with this imaginary new standard.
You are keep linking a laboratory result whereas Cingular's real life deployment is capable for 14Mb. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Way Behind EV-DO said by kamm :Oh please, stop with this imaginary new standard.You are keep linking a laboratory result whereas Cingular's real life deployment is capable for 14Mb. With one user per tower lol.  | |
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ZF
@zoominternet.net
| said by kamm :Oh please, stop with this imaginary new standard.You are keep linking a laboratory result whereas Cingular's real life deployment is capable for 14Mb. Someone apparently has been drinking the Kool-Aid. Ev-DO Rev. C is to be deployed by 2008 or 2009, this info coming from howardforums. I guarantee you that Verizon would not be going with a "dead" technology. They will be able to counter whatever Cingular or other GSM providers throw at them. Everyone said that CDMA was a dead technology, and look what they have done with it. They are on track to become the #1 carrier again. | |
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googoogoogo
@spcsdns.net | Huh? EVDO RevC can go to 280Mbps if the carrier supplies enough backbone. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| I noticed yesterday... ... night when I arrived home U (UMTS/HSDPA) did not disappear, not even deep inside the house (brownstone with thick walls).
Usually when I turned our corner my TyTn went back to G (GPRS/EDGE) but yesterday it remained U - though with only 1-2 bars. I remembered Cingular promised full NYC coverage by the end of 2006 so I ran a test and got something around ~600kb/s which I consider OK deep inside my hose, on the first floor.
OTOH doesn't really affect me because my TyTn uses my WiFi home...  | |
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Fox McCloud
Crazy like a fox.
join:2006-07-23
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| Re: I noticed yesterday... Kamm, you fail to realize that not everyone lives in a huge city, like New York. Sprint and Verizon both cover many rural areas; Cingular does not.
Yeah, EVDO may be slower, but it's penetration is far, far ahead of HSDPA.
Also, last time I heard Cingular only wants you using their network for surfing and checking e-mail, similar to Verizon. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: I noticed yesterday... Cingular barly has any NYC coverage acccording to the maps. What a joke, wire the central business district and call it a "market". | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Re: I noticed yesterday... said by patcat88 :Cingular barly has any NYC coverage acccording to the maps. What a joke, wire the central business district and call it a "market". Ummm hate to burst your bubble but as it was already posted N million times - see the last one above - that map is at least 4-5 months old.
In Manhattan I never lost U and I got it in Brooklyn as well. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| said by Fox McCloud :Kamm, you fail to realize that not everyone lives in a huge city, like New York. Sprint and Verizon both cover many rural areas; Cingular does not. Yeah, EVDO may be slower, but it's penetration is far, far ahead of HSDPA.
You're right and I did not forget it, it's just another topic I believe. Also, last time I heard Cingular only wants you using their network for surfing and checking e-mail, similar to Verizon.
Cingular has nothing like VZ in its terms. VZ is far the most disguting provider among all. | |
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join:2004-02-28
Saint Louis, MO
| Re: Cingular Fanboy! Fanboy?
You must be the same guy that posted the 'hailed news' of EVDO Rev. A coverage in Phoenix the other day on the front page of Dslreports.com. It was quickly retracted. Why? Because there are enough fanboys of EVDO to make me sick. Frankly, I'm getting tired of the once-daily 'EVDO this' and 'EVDO that' -- at least this story brings things back into balance. I certainly enjoyed Dslreports.com -- but I'm getting tired of the EVDO Fanboy Kingdom that seems to exist around here.
You have EVDO coverage? Fantastic. I'm so happy for you. You don't like Cingular and love EVDO? Join the club here at Dslreports...
And as far as going to the bank? I'd ask Telstra and SK Telecom what they thought of EVDO...
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| ... All yall done comparing senseless bull and fighting over nonsense?
Rev C or HSDPA it does not matter because the overall wireless market is improving and we can argue for days which is better. Frankly I thank Cingular for deploying this in 160 markets if that's the case and at least wireless broadband is going somewhere.
This in the end provides highspeed wireless access to all with a carrier of choice, and as a customer they will like options and types of speed that they seek. | |
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stufried
Premium
join:2003-10-13 | Which Cards Work in Canada? Just curious, does anyone know which of these plans will roam into Canada? I know that Sprint didn't use to, but Cingular did. Has Sprint finally managed to get data roaming in Canada? | |
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abababab
@spcsdns.net | Re: Which Cards Work in Canada? Yes, Sprint now has EVDO roaming agreements in Canada and Mexico active now. Verizon only has slower 1xRTT agreements. | |
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