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join:2001-03-09
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join:2004-07-28
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| Re: I'd still install it said by homeshark  :What are the odds of those flaws being used against me Um slim and none. Most of this crap is overblown. Supposedly XP is so unsecure. No one has ever taken over my computer using any of these alarmist exploits they have announced over the years.
I bet you can find many people that can find ways of breaking out of the most secure maximum security prisons in the US. I'm not expecting a rash of breakouts anytime soon. | |
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join:2006-09-27
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brianiscool
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bleearg13
join:2001-03-03
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»www.darkreading.com/document.asp···d=113414
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| Re: How is this stuff found? It's the black hats we have to worry about.
It's the white hats MS has to worry about. It's how quickly the software companies respond to the white hat vulnerability discoveries that concern us.
Almost all, if not all, software has some sort of exploitable code in it. It is just how fast those companies fix the problem that makes the difference between a good and bad company. MS has had a habit of ignoring white hat findings, or at best putting off, where other software companies, like mozilla, who who get their patches right out there as soon as they can.
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join:2002-09-12
Jackson, MI
| Re: How is this stuff found? Black hats harm everybody by destroying stuff. The white hats either do something that is unimportant to you or something that is highly desirable to you but highly undesirable to Microsoft. For example, if a white hat found out a way to permanently disable the signed driver protection in Vista, that would be wonderful for everyone in the world except for Microsoft who's sole purpose for that feature is to prevent you and me from modifying the system to our advantage. Noone wants that except for Microsoft. | |
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1 edit | said by John_W : MS has had a habit of ignoring white hat findings, or at best putting off, where other software companies, like mozilla, who who get their patches right out there as soon as they can. It's a hell of a lot fuckin easier to edit code on a browser then an entire OS. How bout comparing apples to apples instead of apples to porcupines.
PS- Answer the OP's question while you are at it.
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If a long, long string of data causes your OS to crash (in one way or another, not necessarily requiring a complete reboot), then you've overwritten something and maybe you can use this to your advantage to overwrite executable code. | |
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join:2005-03-26 | Not as bad as before "While I know this is a vulnerability that impacts Windows Vista, I still have every confidence that Windows Vista is our most secure platform to date..."
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Jameson
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join:2004-05-28
Fallbrook, CA
clubs: | Re: Not as bad as before Look, there are vulnerabilities in ever OS. People freaking out about one vulnerability is retarded. | |
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join:2002-03-31
Herrin, IL | Re: Not as bad as before If it were just one vulnerability and not six then perhaps. ^
When you steal from OS X, steal the whole thing including it's security, not just tidbits and ideas.
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join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE | Re: Not as bad as before Is OS X really that much more secure?? Or is it the fact that no one really cares about OS X? Windows is on more machines. | |
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St. Ides Heaven
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join:2001-06-15
Long Island
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| Re: Not as bad as before said by LeftOfSanity :Is OS X really that much more secure?? Or is it the fact that no one really cares about OS X? Horse shit...
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join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA | Take your Mac fanboy attitude elsewhere.
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| Re: Not as bad as before said by pabster :Mac practices security through obscurity. Nothing less, nothing more. BZZZT ! Wrong. Please at least know what you are talking about before posting. Mac OS X is a Unix-like OS and there is nothing obscure about it.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Very sad. You must be drinking Steve Jobs's iKoolaide. | |
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join:2005-10-05
1 edit | Re: Not as bad as before You must be sucking Bill Gates's Windows Small Penis Edition! | |
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Schererville, IN | Re: Not as bad as before I'm sorry but Bill Gates isn't a cult leader like Jobs. Jobs is a nutcase. | |
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Lumberjack
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Newport News, VA
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Microsoft may have bought ideas but for the most part their work is theirs and theirs alone. Given that they rule the enterprise and consumer market even with several variants of Linux, BSDs and Macs around, give them some credit.
The biggest thing Microsoft has going for them, as with most big (and more or less success full) is business practices. They've been bullies at times but that's what you get when your king of the hill.
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I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
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| Re: Not as bad as before said by Lumberjack : They've been bullies at times but that's what you get when your king of the hill. And we all know what slides downhill 
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| It will be a long while before Microsoft looses a significant amount of market share. Their products are too damn good. Granted they did release crap like Windows Millennium Edition but the 2007 versions of Office, Windows XP are all excellent releases.
No I don't give Bill head, but I do give credit where it's due. I buy my software and want to like what I get for the money and I think besides the games I buy, and iTunes for music, MS has everything I need in one or two purchases.
For a while I was huge into Unix'ish operating systems. Now my preference is NetBSD vs. Linux. I see extreme value and performance in the web server market for those platforms and that's where MS has to catch up. Right now their market is for Windows enterprises where everything is Windows instead of mixed, but who knows how that will evolve.
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There is nothing abnormal about finding bugs in over 50 million lines of code, humans wrote them. What is abnormal is the concerted effort by some to bring down this product before MS has a chance to respond. | |
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join:2005-02-22
Calabash, NC
| At least it took awhile..... Well, Vista has been in Beta tests for some time now, and it's only just now been discovered? Sure, it's just the start, but really, no OS is 100% foolproof. There are plenty of fools out there after all. | |
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join:2004-08-10
New London, CT
clubs: | Re: At least it took awhile..... LOL I wonder if Microsoft has come up with a patch to take care of the biggest flaw in the world yet---the uninformed user.
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| Re: At least it took awhile..... said by cwy1980 :LOL I wonder if Microsoft has come up with a patch to take care of the biggest flaw in the world yet---the uninformed user. Maybe "Vista Me" edition will do it?
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join:2005-11-26
1 edit | And so, it begins.
Just like I said it would. More swiss for the hacker sandwich. This is Microsofts best effort "signifigant progress"?
It's sad, really, because we didn't even need Vista. There isn't really anything in it worth the time, trouble and expense to "upgrade" to it. They will, of course, end up shoving it down our throats, since the OEM's have all jumped on the bandwagon and see a excuse to jack up the prices on computers with those whiz bang vidcards and RAM.
I'm sure the makers of those cards and RAM are ecstatic as well. Dont forget the DVD drive so you can run the friggin install disk, IF you even get one, of course and not some lame assed "restore" disk to keep it "factory fresh".
Never mind the expected explosion in bloat and the doubling in price. The only reason they pursued this thing is because they wanted to follow their tried and proven marketing. XP is mature and the profits are falling off. The Windoze OS is their cash cow.
Now they can say Windoze is "new" and, gee, you get a new eye candy GUI-IF, of course, you have a super whiz bang Vid card, 2 Gig of ram and a new mother board for them-And, gee! 64 bit for the true geek too!
Other than that, betcha it's the same thing as before, as shown by at least one "flaw" mentioned here that also affects previous versions. I wonder why...
Run, little lemmings, run...Only $400 this time around for super whiz bang...dont forget $300 for the vidcard and another $200 for RAM...Run! | |
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orion940
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join:2001-12-23
Windsor, CT
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| This is never-ending No matter what the product, be it a browser, OS, hardware...if someone doesn't like it, they will find a hole in it.
If I am marketing something, I will poke holes in the competition.
Bottom line to me, who gives a ...
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join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA | Half-baked article After ignoring anything about Vista for months, Karl settles on a speculative, slow-news-day article from the NYT, based on research from an unknown California firm.
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| Re: Half-baked article said by rdmiller :After ignoring anything about Vista for months, Karl settles on a speculative, slow-news-day article from the NYT, based on research from an unknown California firm. Karl's lost his groove! Long weekends will do that. The NYT article was also on the "Drudge Report" this weekend....
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Richmond, VA | Re: Half-baked article nuf said. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Finding bugs is part of the process The OS where flaws aren't being found is the OS to stay away from. It most likely has as many flaws as windows(probably more) but no one is actively look for them, so they go unfounded and unfixed. And the more unknown bugs out there for an OS, the greater chance someone will find one and be able to exploit it for years before it gets fixed. | |
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I mean come on, even if this were your first day on earth, if you can turn on a PC then you can find out in less than 10 seconds with a web search that MS has no clue and never will. It's all about making money. Bug Free and secure products are the farthest thing from Bill Gates mind. | |
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Bonne Terre, MO | Re: Those aren't FLAWS those are FEATURES... Do you buy crack on the street corner or just make it yourself at home? | |
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join:2004-10-18
Fort Wayne, IN | Re: Here is some light reading.... funny Timmn after you post you link exposing M$
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Fruitport, MI
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1 edit | Vista C'mon! Does anybody really think Vista or the next, or the next OS, is going to be any different than previous ones, as far as bugs, holes, flaws, patches, whiners,, gripers, praisers, etc.............?
There's just to many people working against MS!!
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Binary Enhanced
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join:2003-06-12
Mansfield, TX
| Amazes me! It amazes me how fast the topic goes into 100 different directions! If you just accept that fact that EVERYTHING built by man will have flaws and vulnerabilities... then everything will be just fine! If you're one of the many ([clear throat] apple lovers) that think otherwise; well, I hope the cloud you're willowing on one day doesn't turn into a thunderhead! | |
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