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| Re: If you have nothing to hide. said by brianiscool  :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. Of course, they do have something to hide. Because most of the bittorrent users(NOT ALL) are using it to steal movies and songs.
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Ozz_man
join:2002-03-31
Marion, IL | Re: If you have nothing to hide. This age old topic "steal movies and music" has been beaten down and regurgitated for way too long now. Yawn. | |
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Miami, FL | Re: If you have nothing to hide. Lets just start encrypting all of our data. | |
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Hangmn
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| Re: If you have nothing to hide. said by brianiscool :Lets just start encrypting all of our data. Thats EXACTLY what we should do, with bullshit like the patriot act and unfettered access for law enforcement, that my friends shall be the wave of the future...this is only the beginning.
I don,t need to be doing wrong to want privacy..it is MY DIVINE RIGHT as an AMERICAN CITIZEN...are you familiar with a little document know as the CONSTITUTION???
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| Re: If you have nothing to hide. said by Hangmn :said by brianiscool :Lets just start encrypting all of our data. Thats EXACTLY what we should do, with bullshit like the patriot act and unfettered access for law enforcement, that my friends shall be the wave of the future...this is only the beginning. I don,t need to be doing wrong to want privacy..it is MY DIVINE RIGHT as an AMERICAN CITIZEN...are you familiar with a little document know as the CONSTITUTION??? Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
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join:2002-09-12
Jackson, MI | Re: If you have nothing to hide. >It's just a ********* piece of paper!
It's not even that any more which is why it shouldn't be thrown around. | |
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asgfda
@rr.com | right on. The 'if you're not hiding something then you shouldn't be worried' argument is bullshit. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to encrypt traffic (privacy, anyone?). | |
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meister_sd
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La Mesa, CA | This article doesn't discuss "hiding" because of downloading whatever, it discusses encryption to get around the throttle of ISPs. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
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December 26th, @01:24PM
| Re: If you have nothing to hide. Don't forget online games which use bittorrent. If your games uses it and your ISP throttles it, your games updates take weeks instead of minutes.
It's anti competitive business at it's finest. Cripple any service that uses bittorrent and (if net neutrality fails) offer them a premium service that allows all of the ISPs customers to download games updates at full speed. | |
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join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | Re: If you have nothing to hide. Companies like Blizzard should not offer bitorrent in the first place. People are paying a lot of money per month and the company should provide direct download access instead for the patches. | |
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DaSneaky1D
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| Re: If you have nothing to hide. You know, I actually agree with you. Bandwidth concerns have become a thing of the past since Amazon started offering their S3 service.
True, you have to pay, but the burden is no longer on your customers to support.
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join:2006-05-28
Portland, ME | Re: If you have nothing to hide. Actually, Amazon's S3 service failed miserably this season when Amazon's own deals led to their services crashing when the XBOX 360 special went live. The "instant bandwidth, and processing power" never materialized and POOF there went Amazon. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| I agree with that fully. Users should be getting something for free if they are using a paid service via bittorrent where they give up their upload bandwidth for the business. But that doesn't give ISPs the right to get to choose the business models of other businesses. That's monopoly control at it's finest. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Doboy doesnt, he said he will not have any official torrents and its upto the community to do it unofficially, it hasnt. GT does have official, nicly seeded, torrents and they run their own tracker. | |
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join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
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| Getting around the throttle of ISPs is becoming mandatory because the ISPs continue to refuse to specify real limits on bandwidth consumption (mostly because they don't have a real ability and there are no real compelling reasons for them to cut off their cash flow).
Effectively...they are subsidizing the high usage customers with the low usage customers at the moment...give it time...the billing systems are still developing. | |
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
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| said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. This quote is so stupid its beyond words...You see it all the time .. "Well if you are innocent you don't need to worry....or If you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have to worry".
Why not? Who says? Where is the line drawn? You are explicitly giving up your rights as a user or citizen when you post such drivel. I want my government to fear me. I vote them into office, they work for me. I want my telco/cable co power co to fear me. I am their customer as is my neighbor and his neighbor. We pay explicitly for them to provide me a service.
How I chose to transmit information is none of their concern. Whether I use encryption or not is of no importance. Whether I'm hiding information from my kids or wife or neighbor is none of the telcos or governments concern. I could be encrypting everything just because I can and you know what...that's my prerogative. | |
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jazzy_
join:2004-01-27
Charleston, SC | Re: If you have nothing to hide. It truly is a scary world when everything we get and do becomes a privilege to us from the powers that be. | |
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| squid7
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December 26th, @11:16AM
| As another poster mentioned, the throttling ISP's are throttling BT no matter what you're transferring. It's not like they see you downloading a movie so they throttle you. | |
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| SinNombre
join:2004-09-16
Charlotte, NC
| that's naive and contrary to the reason why most ISPs traffic shape or try to lock down popular torrent ports in the first place. even if you aren't trying to "hide" something, alot of companies (read the freakin article, first) limit torrents for completely arbitrary reasons, anyway. | |
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join:2002-02-01 | Re: If you have nothing to hide. 4 - Find out what should be charged to the worst 10% to pay for infrastructure and upgrade costs and then charge that to everyone.
That's what they'll really do. | |
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Chicago, IL
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| tch...
When did ISPs begin purchasing asymmetrical connections?
The only reason upload speeds are generally restricted it due to the business model. People using the internet are like television watchers...we "pull more content" than we "deliver". Bittorent (and skype) attempt to change that.
Without the "spare" upload capacity, the economics of "web hosting", "spam serving", "pr0n distribution" would change drastically. Cynical as I may be, I presume the largest of the publically traded companies are using the upstream for "business class" type services that are relatively legitimate.
In the end, the first ISP (telco/cableco) with the cajones to declare internet access "Port 80" and POP3 will be the one that has declared the "mom and pop and their high school kids" their market. It is coming, along with all of the government privacy mandates...think how long the ratings on tv took and how much more google infiltrates the home than tv ever could...
Why ain't the answer just charge everyone for bandwidth? | |
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| | xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
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| Never arbitrary.
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a) The ISPs violate peering agreements (costs money)
b) The ISPs have to purchase more bandwidth (costs money)
c) The ISPs are concerned with lawsuits (costs money)
d) The ISPs have other more nefarious reasons (they are selling voice services, video services, streaming music services)
In the case of d) once they can identify a way to get a cut of the profits of the providers of such services, a b and c will come back into play in descending precedence (IMO).
Long term...think of the Internet as cable TV...it's gonna suck, except for the people that aren't paying extra to talk with fluff! (think usenet/irc vs broadband reports pay to post) | |
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| MASantangelo
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Pittstown, NJ
| Wrong.
The only people who are allowed to view data that I send are myself and the person I'm sending it to.
That's why encryption is necessary.
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| Asmodeus1
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. that's a pretty dopey statement considering the level of packet snooping that takes place on a daily basis... encryption isn't just about bittorrent... it's about keeping data safe and away from the prying eyes of people with the ability to cause you grief... that whole "if you have nothing to hide" statement is crap and needs to be dropped wholesale... it may have worked at one time, but not anymore... the sheer amount of data that flows on a daily basis begs that you hide and encrypt as much data as you possibly can... the fact that data isn't already defacto encrypted is a mystery to me considering the state of the net these days... and it won't get better as long as the net is a bleeding-edge frontier of the wild bit west... | |
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Trinijoy
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| Excuse me?
We have the right to have privacy at our house and ESPECIALLY at our computer. This is not "1984". If I want to encrypt my data or other data for security purposes I WILL. No matter if it's document files that are important or pictures from my wedding. There are too many hackers out there now who will do anything to anyone's computer. And there are MANY MANY legal Torrents out there for just Movie trailers, files. So they throttle bad torrents, they throttle good. Where does it end? | |
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If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.
You have failed to understand the real problem.
First FTP, POP, and TELNET do not by default encrypt passwords and therefore bad people, not just governments, exploit that traffic to collect user's account information. So you see that encryption is used for good as well as bad. Encryption in and of itself does not indicate intent.
Second it is unfortunate that so many childish US citizens fail to grok the idea that NSA is not their worst enemy. Their worst enemy is the nation that *IS* monitoring all traffic at their ISPs gateway router. How it that accomplished? Simple really someone in India, Pakistan, Korea, China, or God knows where, brute forces an SSH account on a server local to your ISPs backbone. Then they own that server. Then they monitor all communications on that network to collect account information on other networks, to collect tidbits in E-Mail, and to watch selected individuals for whatever purposes. You see while you fear NSA because they *appear* to break the rules, you fail to realize that other governments *have no rules*. You are free to call this paranoia as you wish.
It has been my opinion for many years, even before I left the SIGINT community that all links should be encrypted at all times. I still stand by that opinion and I should add that the *ONLY* reason not to encrypt it because you want the information disseminated to the largest possible audience.
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| Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| Well that your proof of a clueless user is evident with such a statement. It nearly never fails.... some one..... has to make ...... the same nitwit-ed comment when this subject comes up.
For the umpteenth time, there ARE legitimate uses of bit torrent BESIDES grabbing copyrighted material their authors do not want downloaded. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. BT encryption does nothing to stop the RIAA, it just stops any middle men from seeing what you do. In the end, you have to make connections to other untrusted IPs, nothing will protect you from that, dont like it, get off p2p. | |
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nixen
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| said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. So, when you use the US Mail, you only send postcards?
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| xsiddalx
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| and quit sealing your envelopes when you send a post!
Heck..google cellular eavesdropping...
Back in the 90's there must have been a heck of a lot of illegal conversations occuring for the government to step in and make eavesdropping illegal (414-1 vote).
Maybe there are other reasons for privacy? | |
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lucky644
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| said by brianiscool :If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data. Uh...wow?
Since when should I have to openly show everything to everybody?
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join:2002-08-01 | Hiding what I am doing has nothing to do with it... When I encrypt my overall download and upload speed doubles. | |
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Rexter
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| Since you have nothing to hide, end me your bank account, and routing number. I just want to make sure that they are legit, since you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't have an issue with this, right. While your at it, I'll take your user name and password for your email. I just want to have a look at your email. What do you have to loose?
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| I just looked a the Wiki list and it doesn't seem that too many major US providers are really limiting BT traffic. Some prevent seeding but seeding would already be a violation of most providers' AUP (serving). Others on the list as limiting traffic limit total monthly traffic no matter what you're doing; like my provider, Cox, which limits use to 40GB or 60GB down per month and something like 10-15GB/mo up regardless of what the content is.
What US ISPs specifically going after BT traffic? | |
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| PittsPgh
join:2003-08-21
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: I just looked a the Wiki list Looks at least they tell you up front in plain language what limits you have, for the vaious account types.
»www.cox.com/policy/limitations.asp
Now Comcast on the other hand...........
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| Huh? Is the throttling of BT traffic limited to ISPs located in East Jibip, Nowhere? Where exactly are all these ISPs who are "throttling" traffic? I have yet to see it happening in any of the different metros I have lived or visit on a regular basis. Or is this just another imaginary issue because this site is scraping the bottom of the barrel for a byline. | |
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| backness
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Once you feel the sting of a throttled torrent you would have a different opinion | |
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texans20
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| Encryption Encrypting the data isn't protecting torrent users from the MPAA/RIAA at all. All it does is keep your ISP from determining what kind of traffic you are pushing through your connection. Your IP is still visible on the other end thus traceable to you.
I do feel it's none of the governments nor my ISP's business who I email or what websites I visit. With that in mind, I also encrypt a lot of my traffic with tor and use encrypted IM. I have nothing to hide, but it's still my private information. In America, the ISPs really are not doing too much yet to threaten privacy or lock down traffic. I don't like my google searches being archived, because I've done some searches that are private, so I use tor when I use google most of the time.
I'll worry when the US government tries to make illegal such 99.9% untraceable services such as TOR. My guess the excuse will be to stop terrorism or perverts who like to look at naked pictures of kids, but the ultimate goal will be the control of information. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Encryption said by texans20 :I'll worry when the US government tries to make illegal such 99.9% untraceable services such as TOR. My guess the excuse will be to stop terrorism or perverts who like to look at naked pictures of kids, but the ultimate goal will be the control of information. All I have to do is supeona/discovery your encryption keys, or else I will keep you in jail until you give them up for contempt of court. | |
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texans20
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| Re: Encryption said by patcat88 :said by texans20 :I'll worry when the US government tries to make illegal such 99.9% untraceable services such as TOR. My guess the excuse will be to stop terrorism or perverts who like to look at naked pictures of kids, but the ultimate goal will be the control of information. All I have to do is supeona/discovery your encryption keys, or else I will keep you in jail until you give them up for contempt of court. What does that have to do with anything? Besides, there are ways around that too. I forgot the term but we talked about it in a college class once. Basically, it is encrypting data inside of an encrypted drive. If a person was ever forced to give a key, then the key for the first drive without the sensitive data is given. I use Truecrypt to hold an Excel file I have with all my user names and passwords along with account numbers and credit card numbers I have. I saw the option there but never messed with it.
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»www.truecrypt.org/hiddenvolume.php
Really neat stuff, almost CIA/NSA type secrecy on a person's own computer. In American courts, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. There is no way to prove a hidden volume exists on an encrypted drive. | |
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join:2002-04-05
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| Re: Encryption Doesnt seem like it, seems like any computer forensics person would check for it. If they notice that with the password you gave them, not all the data was read or they dont have what they think you have they can say that you have to give up the hidden volume key whether it exists or not in real life if they dont find what they are looking for (since truecrypt's hidden volume requires that the bad side not know you are doing a hidden volume plus the 1st truecrypt volume must have innocent decoy data that is upto the bad side to figure whether the decoy data is innocent or not, if bad side figures decoy data is a decoy, they demand hidden volume key).
Home made stenography algorithims with the user having to remember something about the home made algorithim + offset + encryption password to retrive data seems to be the best, since NSA can just try every stenography product made on your data but if you made your own, their screwed. | |
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Londonderry, VT | Packet Header encryption Encrypting the packet headers is different to encrypting the data ,lets not get confused now . | |
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| Re: Packet Header encryption said by peerimpact :Encrypting the packet headers is different to encrypting the data ,lets not get confused now . I was just going to say that.
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