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Alfred, ME | 100 HD Channels??? I have 18 HD channels from TW right now, and a good portioon of them are useless when it comes to HD content. Is there 100 or even 50 watchable HD channels currently out there??? | |
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? I wounder if it will be quite a few of the usual HD channels and locals with all their secondary broadcasts that count as "HD".
Or could they be counting individual local channels... like 12 from chicago, 12 from NYC, 12 from LA etc?
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wmcbrine
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join:2002-12-30
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? said by snipper_cr  :Or could they be counting individual local channels... like 12 from chicago, 12 from NYC, 12 from LA etc? Without a doubt. | |
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? YES - LOCAL Only channels (ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX from local areas only) via the MPEG4 sats, originally pegged for 2006 but DirecTV never made in 2006 (technical problems? Bad and late HR20 DVR?), so then they announce it for 2007. DirecTV is a bunch of Squirrels, I know I have had them since 1994. SD is okay from DirecTV, HD content and channel choices are slim, but what other choice do they have they can't announce anything else at CES. In fact most of what they announced at the 2005 and 2006 CES never saw the light of day.
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? said by tbeckner :YES - LOCAL Only channels (ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX from local areas only) via the MPEG4 sats, originally pegged for 2006 but DirecTV never made in 2006 (technical problems? Bad and late HR20 DVR?), so then they announce it for 2007. They did deliver a lot of them in 2006 (including my market, though I don't have an MPEG-4 receiver myself). They do it market by market... I don't know if they met their goals for 2006, but there are MPEG-4 HD locals up now in some places. | |
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? said by wmcbrine :said by tbeckner :YES - LOCAL Only channels (ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX from local areas only) via the MPEG4 sats, originally pegged for 2006 but DirecTV never made in 2006 (technical problems? Bad and late HR20 DVR?), so then they announce it for 2007. They did deliver a lot of them in 2006 (including my market, though I don't have an MPEG-4 receiver myself). They do it market by market... I don't know if they met their goals for 2006, but there are MPEG-4 HD locals up now in some places. What I was pointing out was that DirecTV announced most of these same channels at the 2006 CES but never delivered in 2006, plus they announced their PC tuner and transfer to PC capabilities at 2006 CES and never delivered in 2006. DirecTV appears to announce VAPORWARE, and since some of these channels listed in their announcement do not exist and are not planned by these cable channel networks, how are they going to broadcast them (IE SciFi HD). | |
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caddyroger
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1 edit | Re: 100 HD Channels??? Of what listed here i would only watch 4 maybe 5 channel. So for the mean time i will not be switching providers. | |
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fireflier
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| That list brings to light something interesting:
Where are the HD versions of some of the other "common" networks? Sci-Fi? TBS? FX, Comedy Central, Disney, Spike, Lifetime, US-freaking-A Network???? I see ESPN, TNT, HGTV, Food Network (Food Network is HD and Sci-Fi isn't???), HBO, Discovery, and National Geographic, along with a smattering of others.
So when are some of the other big players getting in on HD? It just seems weird they're not aggressively moving on that.
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swintec
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Alfred, ME | Better yet, are these going to be in "HD-Lite" that the Sat. companies have been offering? I would hope they would use this new found bandwidth and actually offer full blown HD content. | |
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netgear
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? Good point. I used to be a DirecTV customer, and really wanted to stay with them, but they didn't offer true HD programming when I switched to Dish. Fact is, DirecTV flat lied to me about their unit, which was only 480p at the time (2003). They tried to tell me it was 1080i. Anyway, I could go on-and-on about that mess...
I wouldn't be surprised if much of DirecTV's stuff is "down-sampled" (HD-Lite) when it's actually deployed. | |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
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1 edit | Re: 100 HD Channels??? Huh? What "unit" are you talking about?
DirecTV offered true HD for many years. It was only relatively recently that they started "HD Lite"... which still isn't downrezzed all the way to 480p (though sometimes it looks it). | |
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netgear
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? said by wmcbrine :Huh? What "unit" are you talking about? DirecTV offered true HD for many years. [...] Their DVR (so called TiVo) unit. | |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? said by netgear :said by wmcbrine :Huh? What "unit" are you talking about? DirecTV offered true HD for many years. [...] Their DVR (so called TiVo) unit. I have it, and I guarantee you it's not limited to 480p. It defaults to 480p the first time you start it up, sure. You probably just never pressed the up arrow or touched the button on the front panel to change the output resolution. | |
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netgear
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Arlington, TX | "Two-Thousand Three" (2003) (11111010011) (7D3) ... Good grief... You must have missed the part where I mentioned the year 2003. Would be best if you paid better attention to the threads where you respond. In 2003 their DVR only offered 480p. | |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
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| Re: "Two-Thousand Three" (2003) (11111010011) (7D3) ... said by netgear :Good grief... You must have missed the part where I mentioned the year 2003. Not at all.
Would be best if you paid better attention to the threads where you respond. In 2003 their DVR only offered 480p. No, it didn't. Look, either you had a standard-def Tivo -- which does only 480i, not 480p -- or you had the HD Tivo, which has never been limited to 480p. There has never been a 480p unit, ever.
But, now that I think of it, the HD Tivo wasn't really available until mid-2004. So it must've been a standard-def (480i) unit. | |
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netgear
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4 edits | Re: "Two-Thousand Three" (2003) (11111010011) (7D3) ... said by wmcbrine :No, it didn't. Look, either you had a standard-def Tivo -- which does only 480i, not 480p -- or you had the HD Tivo, which has never been limited to 480p. There has never been a 480p unit, ever. Here are a couple of links (below) "showcasing" the 2003 product offerings, which they were promising, and they already had a unit deployed that could handle 480i/p.
»www.pbase.com/tigerdave/image/10792284
»www.pbase.com/image/10792288
Had they actually had the CES unit available at the time, I might still be with DirecTV, but they screwed the pooch; still do on most occasions... just like their lame promise to bring 100 HDTV channels to market in the near future.
Will believe it when I see it, and if they actually offer something better than Dish (no one hold their breath), I'll switch.
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This is getting old. I think we've crossed the line from talking technology to bickering over semantics. I see the point you're trying to make. It's time to let this one die.
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
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| Re: "Two-Thousand Three" (2003) (11111010011) (7D3) ... said by netgear :Here are a couple of links (below) "showcasing" the 2003 product offerings, which they were promising, and they already had a unit deployed that could handle 480i/p. 480i, not "480i/p". No p. The difference between 480p and 480i is not semantics. When you first posted, I was assuming you were right about the 480p, and just didn't know how to operate the HD Tivo. But the truth was that you just didn't know what you were talking about at all.
You got the wrong impression somehow... and I see no reason to believe that it was DirecTV's fault. I blame them for lots of things, but this looks like it's your mistake. | |
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netgear
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| Re: "Two-Thousand Three" (2003) (11111010011) (7D3) ... Nah, it's pure semantics, especially when dealing with someone like you. Much of my frustration with DirecTV dealt with several issues, including their misrepresentation of their DVR product (480p/i notwithstanding), when comparing it to the then current Dish Network DVR. You weren't a part of that conversation, so you're clueless.
Guys like you argue for argument's sake. I have better things to do. Too bad you don't. Try to have a good weekend, Brine. | |
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| Re: "Two-Thousand Three" (2003) (11111010011) (7D3) ... I switched to DirecTV from Comcast after Comcast raised my rates for the 4th time and hasn't offered anything but 10 Cooking channels, 18 bshopping channels a multitude of foreign language crap. I thought -It can't get any worse but Was I ever wrong-
Then they had the audacity to try an uplift my HD tuner to a HD-DVR for another 330 dollars (additional installation and setup of the DVR). Their totally mis-represent their offerings-Don't believe their Sales WEB sites. I'm counting the days till I can opt out with the huge early termination fee. 600 channels and less than 10% are worth watching! I'm still unsure of their "new" HD-DVR/dual tuner setup and whether it actually delivers 1080i resolution. Their HD lineup for my neck of the woods ias pitiful Heck, they don't even offer one of the most popular channels as a local channelin HD in my market. I guess it's going to be one of their 100 new HD channels for 2007.! | |
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netgear
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| Re: "Two-Thousand Three" (2003) (11111010011) (7D3) ... Many cable/sat providers peddle lies. I like companies that tell it like it is... Dish is one of those companies. Dish isn't perfect, there's rain fade and on occasion you may have other reductions in performance, but they don't bloat their offerings. They're a known quantity. | |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
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| said by swintec :Better yet, are these going to be in "HD-Lite" that the Sat. companies have been offering? All of DirecTV's new HD channels are scheduled to be offered in MPEG-4, to save bandwidth. They may be full resolution, but they'll be recompressed from the MPEG-2 originals. They're doing that now with the HD locals they offer.
The "HD Lite" channels are the nationals, delivered in MPEG-2 but cut to a very low bit rate, with the 1080i channels downrezzed to 1280x1080i. It's likely that the MPEG-4 channels look better than this (I don't know), but I wouldn't call them full quality. | |
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netgear
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| Re: 100 HD Channels??? Dish's new satellite uses MPEG-4. Looks great. We have a DVR 622 and 921. The 622 is MPEG4/MPEG2 and it does an excellent job handling the compression. Basically, both of those units are Linux boxes. Our projection unit is 1920x1080 and the picture is stunning ~ especially the digital stuff like the latest "Star Wars." | |
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| said by swintec :I have 18 HD channels from TW right now, and a good portioon of them are useless when it comes to HD content. Is there 100 or even 50 watchable HD channels currently out there??? It's the very same craptastic PR line they have promised for 2005 and 2006.
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Tucson, AZ | I have no idea how that will accomplish this but if they can they will steal me away from any cable provider... | |
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Greg_Z
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Springfield, IL | Alot are duplicated across the board, due to DTV neglects to state that the 100 or so channels being added are the same networks, but different affiliates.
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netgear
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1 edit | 100 New "Major 'Local Market' Network" Channels Dish is already doing this ~ we already receive DFW's FOX, CBS, ABC, and NBC affiliates in HD. DirecTV has a good bit of ground to cover if they're going to compete with Dish Network in the HD arena. | |
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PolarBear
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| Not all markets who currently get the locals over dish get the locals in HD.
They've been promising it in the Cleveland, OH market for quite a while, and it's still not available, and I only get 1 local in HD OTA.
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| This is why I'm not jumping to HD I was watching some HD programing at my uncles house and it's wonderful. The problem is what the NY Times said before the holidays. Not much to watch. Crappyvision just took off INHD2. That was the channel we were watching. What are they replacing it with??? SNY (The Mets don't start playing until when). Until there are networks with full 24 hour coverage HD wont take that final leap to becoming widespread. People buying 27 inch hd tv's isn't widespread uses. You need a 37 and up tv to even realize how wonderful the programming is | |
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digiblur
Got Sipura?
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| Yeah right.... I will believe it when I see it. 100 HD networks are not going to launch this year, let alone 50 HD networks. 100 HD networks is a lot of backhaul bandwidth to find too.
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webnetwiz
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| Re: Yeah right.... As someone who had direct insight into the designs and equipment used by DTV for HD content, I can tell you that they're building high cap pipes utilizing OC-192s and up, best of breed optical gear, as well as 10G in the cores at broadcast centers. They'll have plenty of capacity and bandwidth to push 100+ channels, plus Internet traffic. Also, they tapped the gear vendors to help with build-out and some design. | |
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| Re: Yeah right.... Who cares what equipment they use on the ground for local transport, what matters is what's in the air. If their birds don't have the capacity to offer "100s" of full resolution HD channels, what good are 10gig equipment. Providing broadband service via the sats is the same thing. If they don't have enough transponders and utilizing the latest in sat technology, all of what you said doesn't matter. | |
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| Re: re 100 hd channels DTV is not going to have that many national HD channels, but I guess if you factor in locals. Besides, do not count on seeing any new national HDs until at least late summer/early fall at the earliest. DTV does not launch Direct TV 10 and 11 until July. Take a few months for testing and they wont have any transponders up until at least Fall. | |
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49533 | Re: re 100 hd channels Someone over at the Satellite Guys forum actually called the head of PR at the SCI-FI channel (one of the HD channels listed in the D* keynote today). She said there is no SCI-FI HD channel. Me thinks D* is fibbing. | |
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Lumberjack
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| This is probably because DTV is going to MPEG-4 which isn't available in the Tivo DTV-DVRs like my HD one. Whenever I get around to it I'm calling to order the latest HD DVR from them. And with that and my PS3 (whenever I get it) my TV will orgasm all over itself.
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hayabusa3303
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clubs: | Launching somethere? Tho Directv does have a satellite at what orbit slot i cant remember, but its a new Hughes space and communication's satellite up that is just sitting there just beaconing away. They must be going to LIGHT the bird up soon then. | |
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| Re: Launching somethere? That new bird is only going to be providing additional backhaul and some local HD spot beams. Local HD spot beams are the priority for them right now. DTV has said no new national HD nets until DTV 10 and 11 go up, and thats not until July at the earliest if they do in fact launch on time. | |
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Stockbridge, GA | Re: Launching somethere? Well just today, D* announced no more HD locals until after the new birds are going up. They are going to concentrate on HD Nationals. Check the CES forum over at Satelliteguys.US
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Upper Marlboro, MD | format and res? Will these HD channels be in 16:9 or 4:3? 1080i?
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H2OuUp2
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| OTA HD Locals still better OTA HD Local channels are still better than DirectTV, Dish, or cable if you can get them.
The few HD channels that Dish offer are very good, but nothing like the OTA.
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | NO! There will not be 100 new HD channels, there might be 100 "HD-LITE" channels.
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join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA | HD DVR Since I won't likely be able to get it on my HD-DirecTiVo I really don't care. The new HD-DVR is making me consider moving to Comcast to get TiVo and HD Content. :Gasp: can't believe I said it. | |
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astiyosti
join:2005-11-10
Asheville, NC | wow if this is true then charter needs to step it up.Currently i am paying 1.50 a channel witch has 10 channels in my area,I might be switching and just get the internet from them | |
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join:2004-06-05
Denver, CO
| Saaaawweeeeeeet DirecTV...here I come!
Anyone who still watches standard def on their high def TV needs a bigger TV. High def to standard def on my 65" HDTV is like the difference of watching someone deficate to watching a hot stripper strip. There is truly no comparison and no going back.... | |
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| Re: Saaaawweeeeeeet 100 channels... you should really look back to previous news releases from InDirecTv... if they hold true to what they are talking about, many will be locals added. Their attempt to add a local OTA HD received into the box pretty much didn't pan out for most.
What's better? To say:
"DirecTv will add 100 HD stations in 2007...."
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"DirecTv will add locals in HD in 2007 as well as a few other HD networks...." ?
Don't jump for dish too quickly. Not to mention.. as with any Dish system, you the customer get to invest in equipment. I would NEVER be an early adopter, again, with Dish anything because as soon as they roll it out, they make a change and the early adopters are stuck with a $600+ upgrade fee.
No Thank you!
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| This is why for now I'm just sticking with my standard def modified DirecTivos and standard def Sony Wega(talk about a heavy CRT!!). I don't know what I'm missing so I don't have to spend all that $$$$. I'm happy with what I've got especially when I think of the thousands I would spend if I wanted to jump on the HD train. Heck, in the basement I'm still using a 19" TV from the 80s. You can keep your HDs and LCDs and DLPs, I'll hang on to my money for now. | |
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| Bulls*** I just bought an HD TV this weekend, and am using and OTA Antenna and get my locals, expect CBS just fine. No reason to pay comcast, Dish or DTV, any extra money to watch programming i can watch for free and spending a one time investment of about $50. | |
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clubs: | Re: Bulls*** What will you do when they stop broadcasting it over the air which will be very soon.
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1 edit | Re: Bulls*** You really have some WRONG information!
Only ANALOG VHF/UHF channels will stop being broadcasted in February 2009.
DIGITAL SD and HD channels will continue to be broadcasted OTA.
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HateTank
join:2004-03-07
Trinity, AL | Re: Bulls*** WOW. The waste of bandwidth for unneeded local channels. The only thing I can see good about having the locals available over sat is that you can watch your local news from your R.V. 100's of miles away. | |
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join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
| I guess marketing can claim anything but the truth. Since DirecTV is notorious for their HDlite presentation compared to the full-HD in monthly charges, I suppose they can claim anything they wish and not be legally called on it.
Personally, I wish state governments would get involved since the FCC will not. If you market 1080i Full-HD then you should be delivering an unadulterated stream from its originator. I do not want to hear about bandwidth constraints as that is an operational problem that obviously their billing department doesn't seem to have.
Since the 1280x1080 is what DirecTV delivers then I should get 1/3 off on the HD Package. Like several others have stated, OTA is better, free, and not DirecTV!  | |
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netgear
Restless Native
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Arlington, TX | Their TV Ad Says It All Just saw one of their new ads...
Number Of Channels Is Subject to Available HD Programming
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