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40 gig HD?Kinda small for movies, eh? | |
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2007-Jan-9 2:28 pm
Re: 40 gig HD?Not very impressive. Good thing they announced the iPhone today, because if they didnt I think people would be pretty dissapointed. | |
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Re: 40 gig HD?The iPhone is owned by cisco. | |
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2007-Jan-9 2:35 pm
Re: 40 gig HD?See my post in the appropriate 'iPhone' thread which covers this issue. | |
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Re: 40 gig HD?Jeez, people need to stop thinking that simply because Apple releases a new product with an "i" in front of it that it's going to sell like crazy. Apple lovers should be required to wear "iFanboy" shirts around. | |
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| nixenRockin' the Boxen Premium Member join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA |
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said by kyramilan:Kinda small for movies, eh? I really don't understand why all of these makers of media devices go with such pathetically small HDs. Are they all afraid to pop the extra $5/unit for a 100GB drive? -tom | |
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Re: 40 gig HD?said by nixen:said by kyramilan:Kinda small for movies, eh? I really don't understand why all of these makers of media devices go with such pathetically small HDs. Are they all afraid to pop the extra $5/unit for a 100GB drive? As I understand it, the device is not intended to store movies long term. Rather, it is simply a temporary buffer for movies that are stored elsewhere - like your computer, the internet, or just a big storage server in your house. The device is mostly to provide the buffering (for slow devices like the internet), streaming, and interface to the TV. In that sense, 40GB is plenty. | |
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2007-Jan-9 11:03 pm
Re: 40 gig HD?said by DonLibes:said by nixen:said by kyramilan:Kinda small for movies, eh? I really don't understand why all of these makers of media devices go with such pathetically small HDs. Are they all afraid to pop the extra $5/unit for a 100GB drive? As I understand it, the device is not intended to store movies long term. Rather, it is simply a temporary buffer for movies that are stored elsewhere - like your computer, the internet, or just a big storage server in your house. The device is mostly to provide the buffering (for slow devices like the internet), streaming, and interface to the TV. In that sense, 40GB is plenty. Given the current state of broadband and the length of time it takes to download programming, I'd think you'd want more storage space so you could "buffer" several programs (for continuous viewing). -tom | |
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Re: 40 gig HD?said by nixen:Given the current state of broadband and the length of time it takes to download programming, I'd think you'd want more storage space so you could "buffer" several programs (for continuous viewing). Movies downloaded over your broadband connection go to your computer (not the Apple TV). From there, the Apple TV buffers it in order to drive the (real) TV. The Apple TV only needs to hold things that are playing or about to play since connection speeds within a house are presumed to be more than fast enough to keep up. At least this is the way I interpret Apple's description. | |
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2007-Jan-10 1:28 am
Re: 40 gig HD?said by DonLibes:said by nixen:Given the current state of broadband and the length of time it takes to download programming, I'd think you'd want more storage space so you could "buffer" several programs (for continuous viewing). Movies downloaded over your broadband connection go to your computer (not the Apple TV). From there, the Apple TV buffers it in order to drive the (real) TV. The Apple TV only needs to hold things that are playing or about to play since connection speeds within a house are presumed to be more than fast enough to keep up. At least this is the way I interpret Apple's description. Then it operates differently than other media box solutions (e.g., XBox360). -tom | |
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N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano Premium Member join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs |
N3OGH
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2007-Jan-9 2:28 pm
Someone please explain it to me...Ok, usually, I'm pretty good with the whole electronics/tv/HD tv thing. But with this one I need a little help. What is the huge hubbub with the resolution being limited to 720? Does that mean it won't work with older TV's, or that it's limited in the fact that it's not true HD. My current set maxes out at 1080i. It's my understanding that the i stands for interlaced. It was also my understanding that there's not a huge difference between 720P and 1080I. I now open the flood gates for all of you to edubicate me and tell me I'm wrong.. | |
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Re: Someone please explain it to me...said by N3OGH:Ok, usually, I'm pretty good with the whole electronics/tv/HD tv thing. But with this one I need a little help. What is the huge hubbub with the resolution being limited to 720? Does that mean it won't work with older TV's, or that it's limited in the fact that it's not true HD. My current set maxes out at 1080i. It's my understanding that the i stands for interlaced. It was also my understanding that there's not a huge difference between 720P and 1080I. I now open the flood gates for all of you to edubicate me and tell me I'm wrong.. Ask Jessica Simpson. | |
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I agree this is confusing. The AppleTV device is already up on Apple's website and the technical specs claim that it can output 1080i 60/50hz. I'm just guessing until someone else confirms, but it sounds like the content from the iTunes store will only be in 720p. | |
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| ke4pym Premium Member join:2004-07-24 Charlotte, NC |
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Many CRT based sets cannot accept a 720p input. They just fuzz out the display. Newer devices will probably be okay.
My 4 year old Pioneer Elite can't take a 720p input. Just 480i/p and 1080i.
This product, too, was a disappointment. It could have been so much better. | |
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2007-Jan-9 2:36 pm
why not just get a 360...Did I read this wrong, or is this close to what I can do now with my Xbox 360 and TVersity. I mean, I can hook to any number of machines in my house and stream movies to the 360 to play on my entertainment center. Or is it a DVR (ie TiVo'ish) as well?? Otherwise I just don't see the point of the HD. You can just stream it....that's kinda the purpose of it... | |
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Re: why not just get a 360...This is just a guess, but from what I just read at Apple's iTunes store this device sounds a lot like a video iPod. I.e AppleTV syncs your iTunes library from your Mac/PC and then plays from the local HD. If that is true think of it as a video iPod that isn't portable that is dedicated to you TV.
The online documentation doesn't say, but the implication is that you can watch videos, play music, view pictures etc off of the internal HD when your computer is off. | |
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2007-Jan-9 2:47 pm
Re: why not just get a 360...Ok...then useless product for me. Current setup does about the same thing; short of the HD bit which doesn't matter because I don't turn my machine off. | |
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2007-Jan-9 2:51 pm
SlingboxDoes it offer slingbox-like capability? If I can stream my DirecTV receiver plugged into Apple TV to my iPhone...then it may be worth it. I don't need another hard drive to store DRMd content on. | |
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intellerSociopaths always win. join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK |
40gb? thats crap.just like Apple, up on style, down on specs, up on price.
I guess you will either be able to watch like 3 really good movies or a bunch of highly compressed crap. I only get 20 hours of compressed HD crap out of my 160gb cox box...so 5 hours of iTV compressed crap?
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Re: 40gb? thats crap.said by inteller:just like Apple, up on style, down on specs, up on price. I guess you will either be able to watch like 3 really good movies or a bunch of highly compressed crap. I only get 20 hours of compressed HD crap out of my 160gb cox box...so 5 hours of iTV compressed crap? Apple, meet Failure, Failure, Apple. Apple meet hdd oem , oems will love to meet apple. First "hack" (and I use that loosely) of this box will be to place a huge drive in it. Or if its a laptop drive some one will shoe horn in a bigger one. | |
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thender2Glamour Profession Premium Member join:2004-05-16 Staten Island, NY 2 edits |
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2007-Jan-9 2:57 pm
720p TV show without commecials/crap compression = 4 GBgive or take one, for an hourlong show depending on how many commercials. 40 gigs is weak. I bet it'll be impossible to get video off of it, too. Probably overcompressed and chock full of awesome DRM. Yum! | |
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| sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sister MVM join:2000-07-01 Morristown, NJ |
Re: 720p TV show without commecials/crap compression = 4 GBsaid by thender2:give or take one, for an hourlong show depending on how many commercials. 40 gigs is weak. I bet it'll be impossible to get video off of it, too. Probably overcompressed and chock full of awesome DRM. Yum! The HD is more of a cache than anything else, so I'm not sure the size is really a limitation. As for DRM, I see no hints on the product page that you cannot throw your own content at it as long as it's MPEG-4 or H.264. Much like the iPod, you don't HAVE to buy your content from Apple, you can put whatever media you want on it. Shame it doesn't have a few cable card slots. | |
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the 360 does more for the priceMy 360 does a lot more and was only 399 | |
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2007-Jan-9 3:08 pm
Apple TV What is it going to cost to download movies that with DRM probably can't be transferred to anything else or burned -kinda like the IPOD. 40gb --what's new just like cars come out with a 4 then 6 then 8 cyl --it is a way to get (make) more money from those who have to have the 'best, first'.. | |
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I don't want to buy movies from iTunesbut I like the idea of having a central multimedia somewhere in my house that I could access from any TV. I wonder if this will do the trick. | |
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Re: I don't want to buy movies from iTunesYep, same here, especially if it can act like a tivo/slingbox. | |
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Overpriced.....So what can I replace that I have already that justifies paying $299? Seems like a hefty price tag fo a media bridge. If they can offer a number of broadcast networks to stream their programming through iTunes, them I'm interested and will ditch Dish Network. Let users subscribe to the streaming channels a la carte.
Why not package it like an IPTV solution, or add PVR functionality? Give me something. | |
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2007-Jan-9 4:29 pm
please edumacate me tooI am starting to understand all of this stuff alot better since I recently bought an HD tv, but why would I need another device such as the one Steve Jobs was talking about if I have Comcast, with ONDEMAND and movies of their own. I guess why would I want to stream something from my pc if I can get it already from my TV. Also, will most people notice a difference between 720p and 1080i and 1080p? Sorry for the noob questions. | |
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Re: please edumacate me toosaid by bpx:I am starting to understand all of this stuff alot better since I recently bought an HD tv, but why would I need another device such as the one Steve Jobs was talking about if I have Comcast, with ONDEMAND and movies of their own. I guess why would I want to stream something from my pc if I can get it already from my TV. Also, will most people notice a difference between 720p and 1080i and 1080p? Sorry for the noob questions. You really shouldn't see much difference between 720p and 1080i. However, the 720p is better for fast moving action (e.g sports, horse racing, NASCAR). 1080i is better for scenes that doesn't change so rapidly because of the superior pixel count over 720p. 1080p is in a league by it self. It has twice as much pixels as a 1080i and more than double the pixel count of 720p. I would bet that if you can get a 1080p with an 85 hertz refresh rate it will be just as good as an IMAX. | |
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Re: please edumacate me too1080p has double the pixels of 1080i?
One is interlaced and one is progressive. How does one have double the pixel count with the same resolution? | |
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2007-Jan-10 12:30 pm
Re: please edumacate me toosaid by ppcpunk9:1080p has double the pixels of 1080i? One is interlaced and one is progressive. How does one have double the pixel count with the same resolution? Because of the nature of progressive scan it covers twice as much as interlaced in the same time span. For example, both 1080i and 1080p has a resolution of 1920 x 1080 or 2.07 million pixels. But, 1080i display the 2.07 million pixels in 1/60 of a second while 1080p display the 2.07 million pixels in 1/30 of a second. So, at 1/60 of a second 1080p will display 4.14 million pixels (2.07 million pixels x 2)while 1080i will display 2.07 million pixels. | |
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Re: please edumacate me tooSo then it doesn't "have" double the pixel count, it simply displays the same amount in half the time while the other one does every other line in the same amount of time. | |
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Me too productTalk about a me too product. It can't even record tv shows for crying out loud. | |
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2007-Jan-9 6:34 pm
Re: Me too productBTW, I keep hearing rumors about more movies being available via Comcast, other cable companies, and IPTV, as well as first run movies. It would make the Apple device not needed. | |
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PhoenixDownFIOS is Awesome Premium Member join:2003-06-08 Fresh Meadows, NY |
Widescreen TV a must?Looking over the specs it says you need to have a widescreen TV. D'oh! | |
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divx support?Its one feature that everyone wants yet these companies fail to address is divx support and all that I read is is support for apple's formats. | |
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2007-Jan-9 6:56 pm
i-tv is coolI do think its cool, basically you can download from Itunes and it syncs automatically with your tv so you can go watch it later, really its a cool idea. I think it will draw alot of interest, especially as itunes gets more and more into movies. | |
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DaneJasperSonic.Net Premium Member join:2001-08-20 Santa Rosa, CA |
DIVX and VOB, etcIt seems useless if it won't play commonly available formats from the Internet. I think I'd get one of these instead. HDD size is your choice, with 120 gig being the smallest - or stream over WiFi with no HDD. Video formats supported include: DivX® (3/4/5), AVI, Xvid, MPEG, MPG, VCD(DAT), DVD(VOB, IFO), WMV(WMV-9), ASF(WMV-9), TP, TS, TRP Pricing starts just over $300. Of course, not as friendly, and no iTunes sync and such. » www.mvixusa.com/store/in ··· cription-Dane | |
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2007-Jan-10 11:28 am
Re: DIVX and VOB, etcYou know, that is a nifty little setup. If I didn't have my 360, that would have to been a nice option to have. But still a little pricey, though. | |
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GeorgeCrFunny it worked last time Premium Member join:2003-07-18 Sheffield,UK |
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2007-Jan-11 4:30 pm
ITV is a commercial broadcaster in the UKInteresting to launch "iTV" given that ITV is a commercial TV channel in the UK. » www.itv.com/ | |
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