If The iPhone's So Great, Why No Broadband Support?'Breakthrough Internet communications device' with no bandwidth? ( old news - 06:37PM Wednesday Jan 10 2007) tags: business · hardware · bandwidthUsers in our Mac forum wonder how the iPhone can be called a "breakthrough Internet communications device" by Apple, when the device fails to support Cingular's HSDPA wireless broadband network, instead only working on their slower (around 200kbps) EDGE network. Yes, technically EDGE is broadband -- but only if you work at the FCC. As we just noted, HSDPA is available in 160 markets, and offers speeds up to 400-700kbps, with bursts to 1Mbps. The decision for the device to be a Cingular only product is also a sore point for some users. "Making this an exclusive launch was a pretty stupid move," laments a user. "They have alienated themselves from so many potential customers. My entire company of IT consultants would have switched to the iPhone if it had high speed connectivity and was available on a CDMA carrier." Other users seem less concerned about spending $600 just to slum it on Cingular's EDGE network, noting that they don't need additional bandwidth. Some industry folk note that for the device to really "reinvent" the telecom sector as Steve Jobs proclaims, they'd need to offer some gutsy and interesting network connectivity options -- such as making it network agnostic, allowing the Wi-Fi functionality to make VoIP calls, etc. "Apple did NOT reinvent to telecommunications sector even though there is a good chance that it could have done so," opines telecom vet Tom Evslin. While the device is certainly sleek, calling it "industry changing" is hyperbole when it doesn't even run over the latest and greatest network -- much less try anything particularly inventive when it comes to connectivity. Update: Apparently Apple has bigger things to worry about, such as securing the rights for a brand name before marketing it.
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Mchart
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1 edit | Whats the point? The majority of folk that buy any apple product could care less about the tech specs. All they care about is getting it in a shiny pink.
Oh, and dont forget that your favorite -Insert random popular culture star here- has one. | |
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| Re: Whats the point? said by Mchart  :The majority of folk that buy any apple product could care less about the tech specs. All they care about is getting it in a shiny pink. Oh, and dont forget that your favorite -Insert random popular culture star here- has one. That's not necessarily so.
Hey, I'm a self admitted Mac convert, but I'm not picking up an iPhone any time soon. Besides the technical specs, I have no interest in having Cingular as my cell provider.
I'll probably go with a Treo when my contract is up....
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Mchart
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Gurnee, IL | Re: Whats the point? You don't strike me as the kind of person who purchases a product because -insert random star here- has it.
Unfortunatly, the majority of the people in the world purchase products because of that fact; something apple is good at doing. | |
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| Re: Whats the point? Thanks for the compliment, you hit the nail on the head.
The only way a product garners my loyalty is by providing good service for what I think is a decent price.
I AM willing to pay a premium price for what I think is a superior product, hence my Mac loyalty. I know people have a different opinion, and I respect that, but my experience with my 2 Macs has been nothing short of fantastic.
Same thing with Verizon wireless. I've had nothing but a %100 positive experience with them. Coverage, service, and call quality has been excellent.
Any of these service providers falls short, I'll drop 'em like a bad habit. I had Comcast HSI for years. Sold a LOT of friends on CHSI. When my experience went south, I dropped them.
I'm not loyal to ANY brand, I'm loyal to good service....
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| said by Mchart :The majority of folk that buy any apple product could care less about the tech specs. All they care about is getting it in a shiny pink. Oh, and dont forget that your favorite -Insert random popular culture star here- has one. We could apply this logic to anyone who is a fan of any rap star/whatever star and has to have spinners and an Escalade and dress in a baggy basketball outfits too, pretending they are on the "team". Everybody is a wannabee.
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| Slick but Californian IMHO, Steve has something cool. However, once again (and I am cynical about a past friend-California-relationship that went bad), Apple (inc) designed something form over function.
Read the wired blog. How do you remove the battery to replace? (answer is, you get a new iPhone, silly or follow the iPod users to the big iPod pile that will be growing).
Why no 3G nor 4G? (answer is, Cingular is biggest one on the block. No EVDO? Boy, us VZW users can't use it so...)
This is the PDA for the rest of those that need a PDA but don't like the B-berry or Q. Smartphone? Smart on your wallet. Small on storage.
Overall: Coolness factor a 10. Practical factor a 6. Networking factor a 3. (requires two hands**)
What I want to know is: where is the 16GB nano?
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: Slick but Californian They will be when someone hacks into it and goes through there personal information. | |
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JoeOnSunset
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| said by cableties :Why no 3G nor 4G? (answer is, Cingular is biggest one on the block. No EVDO? Boy, us VZW users can't use it so...) Yeah, hi. Cingular's HSDPA is 3G. They didn't keep 3G out of this phone to accommodate Cingular. (According to reports, they kept to out to... keep the size down. Uh, yeah, I'd be willing to put up with a bump on the device for an extra 400kbps.) | |
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| Re: Slick but Californian said by JoeOnSunset :said by cableties :Why no 3G nor 4G? (answer is, Cingular is biggest one on the block. No EVDO? Boy, us VZW users can't use it so...) Yeah, hi. Cingular's HSDPA is 3G. They didn't keep 3G out of this phone to accommodate Cingular. (According to reports, they kept to out to... keep the size down. Uh, yeah, I'd be willing to put up with a bump on the device for an extra 400kbps.) I heard it was that the battery life is already bad, and worse if it was 3G.....
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| Re: Slick but Californian said by SSidlov :said by JoeOnSunset :said by cableties :Why no 3G nor 4G? (answer is, Cingular is biggest one on the block. No EVDO? Boy, us VZW users can't use it so...) Yeah, hi. Cingular's HSDPA is 3G. They didn't keep 3G out of this phone to accommodate Cingular. (According to reports, they kept to out to... keep the size down. Uh, yeah, I'd be willing to put up with a bump on the device for an extra 400kbps.) I heard it was that the battery life is already bad, and worse if it was 3G..... Then go back to the drawing board.
You see, this is the typical Apple problem: design and hype comes first, features and actual usability is the last.
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3 edits | Re: What about the Linksys iPhone Apple received approval from Linksys (Cisco) at the last second (this week) I believe....
Eh whoops! Guess not:
»www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/1···LO0.html
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Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.
Pretty big oversight...forgetting to lock down the agreement allowing you usage of a brand-name before working your fanboys into a lather with one of the biggest tech announcements of the year. | |
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| Re: What about the Linksys iPhone said by Karl Bode :Apple received approval from Linksys (Cisco) at the last second (this week) I believe.... Cisco filed a lawsuit in court over patent infringement by Apple on the use of Iphone, so no agreement exists. Article forthcoming on wsj.com! | |
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| Re: What about the Linksys iPhone said by UofMiamiGrad :said by Karl Bode :Apple received approval from Linksys (Cisco) at the last second (this week) I believe.... Cisco filed a lawsuit in court over patent infringement by Apple on the use of Iphone, so no agreement exists. Article forthcoming on wsj.com! ummm.. it'd be 'trademark' infringement, not patent infringement. | |
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join:2005-03-26 | The lack of any mention of VoIP in the announcement and the Linksys/Cisco dispute are the most interesting parts of this story. Who will connect the dots first? | |
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| said by Karl Bode :Apple received approval from Linksys (Cisco) at the last second (this week) I believe.... Eh whoops! Guess not: » www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/1···LO0.html quote:
Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.
Pretty big oversight...forgetting to lock down the agreement allowing you usage of a brand-name before working your fanboys into a lather with one of the biggest tech announcements of the year. not an oversight on Apple's part, but a calculated gamble. you're getting warmer. look at my previous post.
can you guess the sticking point in the negotiations? can you guess what Linksys/Cisco proposed as settlement and what Apple *cough, Cingular* rejected? can you guess Apple's defense to the lawsuit? | |
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join:2000-03-02 | Re: What about the Linksys iPhone Eh, there's a mountain of possibilities involving VoIP restrictions and AT&T anti-competitive pressure, but you'll have to be specific if you know something specific. | |
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| said by Karl Bode :Apple received approval from Linksys (Cisco) at the last second (this week) I believe.... Eh whoops! Guess not: » www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/1···LO0.html quote:
Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.
Pretty big oversight...forgetting to lock down the agreement allowing you usage of a brand-name before working your fanboys into a lather with one of the biggest tech announcements of the year. Next big developing DSLR news item I suppose. | |
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| said by Karl Bode :Apple received approval from Linksys (Cisco) at the last second (this week) I believe.... Eh whoops! Guess not: » www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/1···LO0.html quote:
Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.
Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000, when it acquired InfoGear Technology Corp., which originally registered the name.
Pretty big oversight...forgetting to lock down the agreement allowing you usage of a brand-name before working your fanboys into a lather with one of the biggest tech announcements of the year. Meow Kitty! Retract the claws there... I can't even find any fanboys in our own Mac forum that are revved into even a gentle froth.
I'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction. Cisco will lose.
Go to Google and type "iphone telephone -apple" and click on every link that doesn't mention the Apple iPhone. There's a ton of them. That means Cisco has done diddly to protect their trademark, which really will weaken their case. In just five minutes I found at least a dozen other "iPhone" products on sale now. | |
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| Re: What about the Linksys iPhone It's quite possible that Cisco sent cease and desist letters to the trademark infringers, and we don't know about it.
What Cisco/Linksys said on lawsuit: "Today's iPhone is not tomorrow's iPhone. The potential for convergence of the home phone, cell phone, work phone and PC is limitless, which is why it is so important for us to protect our brand,"
Apple's response on CNBC (paraphrasing): Their trademark is for IPhone as in IP(internet protocol)hone and they sell a VoIP phone. However, our product is a cell phone and is called "i"Phone to be similar to our "i"Pod. | |
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| Re: blah said by brianiscool :Get a Blackjack ! Better than Apple phone lol I agree, wouldn't trade my BlackJack for anyhting | |
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ninjatutle
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SSidlov
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1 edit | Re: WIFI I'm double posting by mistake, sorry. this message is removed. | |
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| said by kamm :said by ninjatutle :is also broadband No, it's not. But Wifi is usually a gateway to some kind of broadband connection.
The fact is Apple figures that most people who initially buy the iPhone cannot afford a 3G voice and data package and live in a city where many Wifi hotspots would be available . | |
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| Re: WIFI said by Dr Demento :said by kamm :said by ninjatutle :is also broadband No, it's not. But Wifi is usually a gateway to some kind of broadband connection. The fact is Apple figures that most people who initially buy the iPhone cannot afford a 3G voice and data package and live in a city where many Wifi hotspots would be available . that's not a fact, but a rather off base opinion on your part.
the fact (or maybe *my* off base opinion!) is that most apple users have a lot of coin and can certainly afford a 3G voice and data package. | |
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| Re: WIFI said by wwdubbia :that's not a fact, but a rather off base opinion on your part. the fact (or maybe *my* off base opinion!) is that most apple users have a lot of coin and can certainly afford a 3G voice and data package. I second this: it's not only a weird notion that somebody has $500 to cough up for a phone but $20/mo is too much for the data service but in fact data service package is the same for GPRS/EDGE and UMTS/HSDPA, for the same price. There's only one package.
In other words APple simply took away the fast internet, for no good reason (it's not new, it's not bigger, not heavier, not difficult, it's the same price etc).
I suspect the good ol' Apple greed.
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| Quote from »www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/09/iphone0109/
"It supports quad-band GSM, EDGE, Bluetooth and 802.11b/g/n - in other words no 3G yet and no UMTS, making it a "quaintly old-fashioned phone", as Reg columnist Guy Kewney writes on his website: "Certainly, this will lose potential sales. Almost certainly, Apple doesn't care. Putting 3G onto the Mk I device would cut the already-ordinary battery life, while making the electronics more complex."
and this slide from engadget: »www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engad···0203.jpg
But if it has WIFI, then we will surely see someone write a Skype or other app for this phone to circumvent Cingular.....
(and for those who ask why Cingular?, the answer is simple, it is the largest GSM network in the US, and GSM is the cellphone standard used worldwide -although the MMS lack is an issue outside the US. Cingular has a strong desire to get more people using it's data services - slow and boring as it may be. HOWEVER- they don't adequately support their own existing phones with applications, so my so-called 'unsupported phone' forced me to put Opera-Mini and Goggle Local and my preferred weather service supplier -MyCast- on my phone, myself.) My contract is up in June, and I can switch phones cheaply, I would either get this or a Sony Ericson Walkman type.
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2 edits | I can only quote myself... ... from yesterday:
1. GPRS/EDGE only! Forget full HSDPA but there is'nt even a basic UMTS...
So much for the "innovative" Apple, the "company that pushes the envelope" as the everyday mantra (= Macfan idiocy) says. Seriously: what the fuck Apple was thinking when they have designed a GPRS/EDGE-only phone? Ridiculous.
2. No keyboard? Hell no, that's just downright hilarious when you have a phone with the size of a table tennis bat...
3. ... especially when it's not even VGA so imagine when you want to type AND use the browser/message handler/etc.... I HATE my on-screen micro-sized keyboard (you also need the frikkin' stylus) on my TyTN, I always use the slide-out if I need to type more than a word - pop-up on-screen keys are useless, period.
4. What kind of memory card will go in it? Hopefully not microSD - I have that and it's the most expensive type ever.
Design is very nice - though it seems to be even bigger than my TyTN, whoa -, 4GB or 8GB is also very impressive - though I just got a last year Sony Ericsson W950 2 weeks ago which has 4GB built-in - but hopefully that's not the only memory you have because it'd be sucks not to have any memory I/O option (it's great to dump your photos when you travel, for example.)
I think it's a very nice first phone but even if I could live without real qwerty keyboard - which I highly doubt, given my RDP sessions - I wouldn't buy anything in 2007 without megabit-capable internet support. No way.
See you in a year, with HSDPA, iPhone2.
Plus add it the lack of replaceable batteries and there you go - you got a very fancy phone, built on outdated feature set with severe shortcomings.
As it is it won't really fly for $500-600 outside of the usual Mactard crowd (they don't count, they would buy if Jobs would take an apple-shaped pile of shit and sell it for $5k.) | |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | HAHA Just what Steve wanted. Everyone talking about his next product.
Why do people who don't care about Apple too much or their products talk about it so much for? Stop falling for it and move along.
Peace out suckers.... | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: HAHA Talking about cisco they just sued apple for the iphone lol | |
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| version 2 They will most likely release version 2 of this phone with verizon and over the highspeed network with them as initial launch exclusive. Or maybe version 2 will have wifi and highspeed support. Then that revision will be revolutionary again. Whatever happened to the new palm OS for the treo. I have been waiting for the new linux based version for too long. | |
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Austin, TX | Re: version 2 Nothing is revolutionary about Verizon's EVDO network. Apple could have turned the iPhone into a bombshell with HSDPA support. Simultaneous voice and data, 'nuff said. | |
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| My 2 cents In my opinion Steve Jobs bit himself in the foot by making the phone and have it sold exclusively for Cingular. Though I like the looks of the phone, it's not like I am going to jump ship and switch my Verizon service for Cingular just so I can get a Apple phone. Cingular service don't work to well where I am at, so Apple is out of luck. Cingular may pick up a few customers because of this but not what they think they are going to get. Maybe the reason why the Apple phone don't support the faster network cause Cingular told Apple not to support it? | |
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| trademark You have to enforce your trademark, if you dont you will lose it.
So even if Cisco plan on ultimately selling the trademark, unltil they do they are obligated to try to protect it. First lesson in trademark law.
I agree with the poster ref. the VOIP. The linksys phone is a VOIP phone, so there was no way the lawyers were going to let Steve mention the fact that the apple-phone might run ichat or skype with ease. | |
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| Re: trademark Perhaps you need to learn that Google isn't the only method of trademark protection. Take off your Apple colored glasses and do a little research aside from a "Google Search" to back up your claims.
And since you didn't bother...I did it for you.
'Linksys, a division of Cisco, has been shipping a new family of iPhone products since early last year. Last month, Linksys expanded the iPhone family with additional products.'
Cisco's trademark is well protected because they are and have been using it on branded products they CURRENTLY and have been selling/supporting.
Google isn't the answer to the worlds problems. Oh, and for future reference, just because it's not on Google, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. | |
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1 edit | My buddy's all angry now.. ..because he just got the Motorola Motorokr e6, with shipping paid $600 for it, unlocked.
It came with Chinese games and music videos! hahaha I've never heard Chinese rap before, but I kinda liked it 
Hopefully the iPhone's built in browser is a bit faster than the Opera browser I used in the e6...it was a bit slow.
EDIT: THIS WAS MY 1000TH POST! YAY!
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Schererville, IN | It doesn't need broadband support. Since it doesn't allow access to iTunes and only allows you to get songs on it via a sync cable. What would be the point in having broadband support? It's just an iPod that can make phone calls. Quite featureless for 2007. | |
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| Re: It doesn't need broadband support. said by insomniac84 :Since it doesn't allow access to iTunes and only allows you to get songs on it via a sync cable. What would be the point in having broadband support? It's just an iPod that can make phone calls. Quite featureless for 2007. Not quite.
»events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j···oo/event
Click on "Watch iPhone introduction". It does a lot more than a phone and iPod.
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| cingular boohooo i agree on the cingular only complaint but as far as 3G, it may have been a simple availablity decision.
is anyone going to drop 600 bucks on an evdo phone when they can't get service where they live?
if you do get the service, sure it is a no brainer but how are they going to get their 1% market share(you all know how MANY iphones that is) if they are limited to a "few" places.
this is iphone 1.0, the next release will have be upgraded to keep the sales going. color displays and clickwheels did it on the ipod, it sure didn't require an easy to replace battery.
while I have the same complaints as everyone else, i would venture to say that it will have the same success as the ipod, EXCEPT for the the cingular deal, I don't get that.
why not let me buy the phone from apple as I do from nokia and sign with whoever i want, especially since there won't be any rebates from cingular, according to what engadget posted. | |
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clubs: | Re: No 3G wirelesss support Why no CDMA? Simple, as you said Qualcomm and why build two models when CDMA is a limited market when considering global sales.
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| Re: No 3G wirelesss support said by xrobertcmx :Why no CDMA? Simple, as you said Qualcomm and why build two models when CDMA is a limited market when considering global sales. You'll never see a CDMA/EVDO version of an iPhone for that very reason, along with the fact that the rest of the world uses GSM. UMTS/HSDPA are a whole other ballgame though as it is the world standard for high speed data, and I imagine that it doesn't have anything like that because the phone was developed a year ago when there were no UMTS/HSDPA networks in the US, and Apple only just released it now. Also remember that there is a real squabble over HSDPA and UMTS right now in the USA, with one provider going 1700/2100MHz, another going 850/1900, and no one else having any clue as to which frequency is going to become the norm.
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@verizon.net
| if it smells like a paperweight, if it claps like a monkey, sings like a bee, makes a telco rich, and screws the consumer with flaws in product development, it must be a hair brained scheme from apple to start the downturn in that boom bust cycle of their popularity in products.. chasing that IPOD high addiction!
maybe if they didn't put so much emphasis on the PHONE part and more emphasis on the WIRELESS INTERNET part, they might have had a product worth taking a look at.. but unless you wanted to did ALL THREE things really well.. such as including pre-n, g, b, all inclusive and allow apps to run on the device and give the device as much processing power/memory necessary to achieve this with good battery life, enable soft-phone voip, etc, etc... but nope.. this is a PHONE/IPOD.. the wireless internet is primarily to support the "file buying/sharing" app vs making wireless internet a robust application, it's not designed to be robust.. and will have other flaws that will be 'improved over time' provided the market wants this product which is FAR, FAR from a done deal.. could be a ton of Chinese paperweights on the way to AT&T for resale..., so if it smells like a paperweight... | |
| | SD6
join:2005-03-26
| Re: if it smells like a paperweight, said by clapper :
maybe if they didn't put so much emphasis on the PHONE part and more emphasis on the WIRELESS INTERNET part, they might have had a product worth taking a look at.. but unless you wanted to did ALL THREE things really well.. such as including pre-n, g, b, all inclusive and allow apps to run on the device and give the device as much processing power/memory necessary to achieve this with good battery life, enable soft-phone voip, etc, etc... but nope.. this is a PHONE/IPOD.. the wireless internet is primarily to support the "file buying/sharing" app vs making wireless internet a robust application, it's not designed to be robust.. and will have other flaws that will be 'improved over time'
I agree with this. technically its little more than an integrated phone+ipod, but with some bells and whistles thrown in so Apple can hold onto their design cache. it is not really a full-on internet device. | |
| Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | cingular 8525 is still your best bet... and i'm sticking with it too... i actually like this pc/pda/phone... | |
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JacksGoneBad
@pacbell.net
| Re: cingular 8525 is still your best bet... Seriously, for purposes of practicality, how bad is it? The 2M isn't the highest res. camera phone but it's still better than most. 4 - 8 GB for media files again isn't the the most but it's more than the majority of phones/pda devices out there. With ALL it's features, there isn't another device out there right now that offers SOOO much. Yeah it's behind in a couple technological advances but any other phone out there is far behind when it comes to the practicality of the iPhone.
I'm in the market for a phone right now and I can't even look at another phone w/o comparing it to Apple's iPhone. I currently have a Sony w800 which has a 2M camera and plays my MP3s up to 1GB at a time. I carry extra MemorySticks w/ me on those long trips. The browser on my w800 is crap and I use my PSP for web browsing but again the browser on the psp isn't the greatest. I'd trade in both of these devices in a heart beat once Apple comes out with a non Cingular iPhone. I'm sure come Christmas this year there will be a MacPhone exclusive for another carrier with different upgrades and a ApplePhone for another carrier w another set of upgrades. I'll give this thing time and it'll surpass the 1% market share. Eventually, I believe that Apple will grab the market share of mobile devices. The iPhone is catered for the MacGeeks out there and the average every day electronics users. People who usually don't post or read internet forums. And that's the majority of buyers out there.
The keyboard that appears when you need it is a slap in the face to any other phone manufacturer. That's something that should have come out long ago. The iPhone is at least 10 different easy to use things that should have already been made all in one and it's going to be so easy to use that yes, you might even see your grandma w/ one. | |
| | | Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA
| Re: cingular 8525 is still your best bet... I agree, the phone is not perfect but it's pretty neat. Somehow, just about every poster harps on 1 or 2 missing features while glossing over everything else. Come on! I'm no Macophile, but I can appreciate how impressive the iPhone is. Now, whether the price reflects the value one will derive from the phone will be sorted out very quickly. Either the phone will sell well or it won't. Based on the reaction from the street, bets are that it will. At the end of the day, money talks... | |
| | | SD6
join:2005-03-26
| said by JacksGoneBad :
The keyboard that appears when you need it is a slap in the face to any other phone manufacturer. That's something that should have come out long ago.
It did come out long ago. It was used on the Nokia 770 internet tablet in 2005. | |
| jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | for $499 phone - iPASS  for that $499 or $599, I have to say "iPASS" | |
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