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Microsoft just laid down major 0wnage on Wii and PS3.
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| Re: Holy shit..... said by inteller  :Microsoft just laid down major 0wnage on Wii and PS3. I don' think so. I think the all-in-one multimedia center design of the 360 will be a selling point for the 360. There are still going to be lots of people out there who aren't interested in an all-in-one media center, and won't be interested in spending $300+ on a game console.
There will be others who will still by the PS3 because they don't mind spending the extra dough, and aren't interested in the all-in-one media center either.
In all, this is good for the 360, but won't be the sticking point for most consumers when choosing a next-gen console.
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| Re: Holy shit..... What you fail to see here is that the IPTV operator will be offering DIRECTLY the XBOX box. That is almost free marketing for the 360 in that market. Also, they could (they wont more likely) lease it as they do with the STB, that will be a better option as you can upgrade every other year instead of buying a new xbox.
I use the 360 with my media center pc and I loved all the options it gives me, and since my pc is the dvr right know i have a 400gb hard drive for that. Anyhow, a 360 stand alone media center will be great. And as I said, since the iptv provider will be offering it directly, it will sell(or lease) even more. | |
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clubs: | I agree it's both a great media center and a great game console. I don't think the IPTV is going to be the tipping point that puts Wii and PS3 in the ground. | |
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| Re: Holy shit..... I can not believe that you think this wil put the WII into the ground. The thing is track to out sale the 360 in no time flat. The sales numbers have been insane. by using the 360 as iptv set top box is in no way going to stop the Wii. Take a moment to look at the numbers that nintendo is selling and then you will realize that the only console hurting right now is the ps3 due to lack of software. | |
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clubs: | Re: Holy shit..... Was that intended to be replied to me? I was saying the exact opposite of "this wil put the WII into the ground." | |
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clubs: | Re: Holy shit..... It's cool. We've all done that at least once. | |
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| Actually, if you go by total numbers since the Wiis release, the 360 out sold it through the end of 2006 by over 200,000 units.
The Wii is simply a fad right now, and will go the way the N64 did when people get burned out on the wand remote and the typical Nintendo fare of games. They would have made a much bigger splash, had they built a console that could support at least 720p graphics, and made games for that. | |
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| Re: Holy shit..... said by TBC1 :Actually, if you go by total numbers since the Wiis release, the 360 out sold it through the end of 2006 by over 200,000 units. I am curious if this is more of a limitation of availability of Wiis, or interest from the public. | |
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| Re: Holy shit..... said by tiger72 :availability. It's sold out everywhere. This must be the thread for me being misunderstood.
That's what I was saying. It probably couldn't outsell the 360 as there weren't enough sets available to purchase to outsell it. | |
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| Re: Holy shit..... said by Maxo :said by tiger72 :availability. It's sold out everywhere. This must be the thread for me being misunderstood. That's what I was saying. It probably couldn't outsell the 360 as there weren't enough sets available to purchase to outsell it. I think it's because there weren't enough Wii's produced to meet demand. 
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| said by chemaupr :What you fail to see here is that the IPTV operator will be offering DIRECTLY the XBOX box. That is almost free marketing for the 360 in that market. Also, they could (they wont more likely) lease it as they do with the STB, that will be a better option as you can upgrade every other year instead of buying a new xbox. I use the 360 with my media center pc and I loved all the options it gives me, and since my pc is the dvr right know i have a 400gb hard drive for that. Anyhow, a 360 stand alone media center will be great. And as I said, since the iptv provider will be offering it directly, it will sell(or lease) even more. MS wanted to do this kind of thing YEARS ago. But when they approached other companies like Disney for example --- Disney took the attitude of "How much are *YOU* going to pay *US* for the *PRIVILEGE* of showing our content on your system?"
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| said by Maxo :said by inteller :Microsoft just laid down major 0wnage on Wii and PS3. I don' think so. I think the all-in-one multimedia center design of the 360 will be a selling point for the 360. There are still going to be lots of people out there who aren't interested in an all-in-one media center, and won't be interested in spending $300+ on a game console. There will be others who will still by the PS3 because they don't mind spending the extra dough, and aren't interested in the all-in-one media center either. In all, this is good for the 360, but won't be the sticking point for most consumers when choosing a next-gen console. watashi no ni dolares desu. I disagree. I can tell you right now that if I knew that purchasing an Xbox 360 would 1) enable me to get IPTV, and 2) allow me to actually own my cable box I would go buy one right now. I would be willing to bet that many other people will feel the same way.
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| Re: Holy s.... The sad part is now that everyone has the hardware capable of IPTV (if you own a 360), someone will soon find a hack to get you all the stations for free...
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$100 for a 20 gig drive?!?!?!
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| Re: Proprietary Needs To Go this will most likely only be available on the v2 360 coming out later this year with a 120Gb HD and HDMI.
this makes Apple TV DoA.....except to the 'me too' buyers who will get anything that Steve Jobs shits out.
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| Re: Proprietary Needs To Go said by inteller :this will most likely only be available on the v2 360 coming out later this year with a 120Gb HD and HDMI. this makes Apple TV DoA.....except to the 'me too' buyers who will get anything that Steve Jobs shits out. Naw...they aren't going to piss off the 13 million XBOX 360 users already out there. I am sure they are just going to sell a bigger HDD at a larger cost of course.
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| Re: Proprietary Needs To Go said by TechieZero :Naw...they aren't going to piss off the 13 million XBOX 360 users already out there. uh, yeah they will. they may offer a bigger HD for expansion, but the service may only be available if you are detected as using one of those IPTV providers.
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You can already put a 200g hd in the ps3 now.
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| Re: Proprietary Needs To Go said by hayabusa3303 :Excatly You can already put a 200g hd in the ps3 now. 200GB...for what?
I mean, if you think about it, the 360 is better poised to make use of bigger space. Plus you're not forced to download or get on Live - even though Silver is free - but the 360 is in a much better position to take advantage of greater space. The PS3 has its online deal and it has downloads, but I've seen the Store and it can't hold a candle to the Marketplace. I mean hell..when I can download high definition episodes of TV shows or movies you know it's a winner. I would like to see a better organization method to the Marketplace; there's just way too much content now and scrolling takes way too long. C'mon MS, search box please.
I know the X360 supports "Removable Storage". IT supports my Blackberry Pearl with memory stick, but does not support my USB HDDs. I imagine the price of the 20GB HDD going down significantly - probably to about $40 - and release of a 100GB version for $149. | |
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Richmond, VA | Re: Proprietary Needs To Go So is it blocking the use of other USB hard drives? It sure makes me glad I am sticking with my PC. Never will any motherboard maker block you from installing x brand of hard drives because they want you to buy Seagate only. | |
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| The Dev version of the 360 has a 100G drive so I imagine some update/upgrade will be released.
There are already two USB ports on back of the HD-DVD drive (one for wifi adaptor as the HD-DVD takes up the original) so there is still one port for external drive.
All I care about is if they make a 360.2, it better damn well be quieter.
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| Re: Proprietary Needs To Go You can purchase a black case for them now. I can't post any links (damn work firewall), but google "black knight 360 case" and you'll find it. Runs about $50, I think. Comes with all the tools you need to do the swap.
As for mass storage, I've hooked up a hard drive through a usb-to-ide adapter and yes, I could play media from it (mp3, wav, jpg, wmv). But I was not able to select it as an option for saving games or storing downloads. It's not even an option for moving files around. Kind of disappointing. Would love to see a hard/soft hack for allowing any size HDD in lieu of the 20Gb.
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| said by MisterMarcus :I know the X360 supports "Removable Storage". IT supports my Blackberry Pearl with memory stick, but does not support my USB HDDs. I imagine the price of the 20GB HDD going down significantly - probably to about $40 - and release of a 100GB version for $149. You sure about that. I have a little 40gig Seagate USB drive and was able to hook it up via the front ports a read from it. Or are you talking about saving movies and such to it? (didn't try that)
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| Re: Proprietary Needs To Go Then maybe it's a BIOS issue. My lowest drive is 60. I didn't try that, nor my 120. But I did try my 300 and it didn't work. Didn't even acknowledge it, not to read, not to save to, nothing. I would love to be able to use one of my drives as I have 4 of them.
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join:2005-03-09
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| Re: Proprietary Needs To Go said by hayabusa3303 :said by tc1uscg :Of all those systems, the Nintendo systems are geared more for family diversity. IM sure Nintendo thought of something else for family too » The Wii: A Bastion Of Smut Could it be because parents want little johnny to have the latest system, goes out, buys it, hooks it up and doesn't realize it can browse the net just like a PC? The open is not plug and play therefore, Nintendo doesn't deserve all or part of the blame. Most routers have the abilities to have parental control. I have 2 that does and ones a belkin and other a USRobotics. If a parent hands over the system, sets it up for online access or better yet, has there own wifi system wide open with no security,not requiring any setup, then they DESERVE to get a little shock and awe and while they sit on the couch and watch little johnny make Mii's that look like hooter girls,,, they can gasp after they remark how cute... "How about a nice game of chess?" (War Games). | |
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| why tie it to a cable/phone operator? I don't know how this setup would work, but assuming the IPTV would go over ones internet connection, would those with 20mbps+ connections be able to view HD video from 3rd party providers?
So let's say I have an xbox 360 with the TV capabilites.
I have Verizon's FIOS internet.
There's a 3rd party IPTV broadcaster on the internet (not VZ) which i'd rather have as my IPTV provider...
Would there be a way to do that, or does IPTV not work that way?
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| Re: why tie it to a cable/phone operator? said by tiger72 :So let's say I have an xbox 360 with the TV capabilites. I have Verizon's FIOS internet. There's a 3rd party IPTV broadcaster on the internet (not VZ) which i'd rather have as my IPTV provider... Would there be a way to do that, or does IPTV not work that way? You're talking about video over the net instead of IPTV. The easiest way to tell the difference is by looking at who the subscriber pays. With IPTV, the subscriber pays their local telco/carrier for service. With video over the net, the subscriber pays a web site.
My understanding is that microsoft is targetting the xbox at supporting video for both markets. In the case of video over the net, the subscriber accesses content using xbox live marketplace, and I imagine they use microsoft points to pay for the content, and microsoft pays the content owners. I can dig up the URLs for some of this if needed. | |
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| That's the beauty of IPTV. It can come from anyone, anywhere on the 'net, to anything connected with a "player". It's also one primary reason for the net neutrality screeching.
It's also got some cable folks crapping their pants.
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| Server+2 360's+2 PC's Watching the CES show and my house being a big gaming center for both PC and XBox I see the Server being the center of it all. I do like the fact I can do it all from my XBox. You also dont need a big HD for the 360. I store game saves and such on my PC right now the way I'm set up, plus I watch all my media on my 360 through my PC. People dont relise that if you dont have a HD TV with AGP or DVI hookups on the TV the other choice you have is S-video which we know is junk to do things on a TV from your PC, with the 360 you dont need s-video, AGP, or DVI and it will look good with the cables that come with the 360. Now with Vista? it all comes together sweet.
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| Re: Server+2 360's+2 PC's said by JerryTongue :Watching the CES show and my house being a big gaming center for both PC and XBox I see the Server being the center of it all. I do like the fact I can do it all from my XBox. You also dont need a big HD for the 360. I store game saves and such on my PC right now the way I'm set up, plus I watch all my media on my 360 through my PC. People dont relise that if you dont have a HD TV with AGP or DVI hookups on the TV the other choice you have is S-video which we know is junk to do things on a TV from your PC, with the 360 you dont need s-video, AGP, or DVI and it will look good with the cables that come with the 360. Now with Vista? it all comes together sweet. You watch, the 360 will take the lead because when people see what it all does on a network and for the price it's hands down. What is AGP? I think you mean HDMI? | |
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| said by JerryTongue :Watching the CES show and my house being a big gaming center for both PC and XBox I see the Server being the center of it all. I do like the fact I can do it all from my XBox. You also dont need a big HD for the 360. I store game saves and such on my PC right now the way I'm set up, plus I watch all my media on my 360 through my PC. People dont relise that if you dont have a HD TV with AGP or DVI hookups on the TV the other choice you have is S-video which we know is junk to do things on a TV from your PC, with the 360 you dont need s-video, AGP, or DVI and it will look good with the cables that come with the 360. Now with Vista? it all comes together sweet. You watch, the 360 will take the lead because when people see what it all does on a network and for the price it's hands down. Ditto, I have my 360 as my center media player right now. I used to do it through the first Xbox (Modded) and now I do the same with the 360. I stream Xvid and all the other good video formats from my PC to my 360, I don't really have too much of a need for my S-video anymore. I use TVersity to watch the Xvid formats, do you use something different? | |
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| Myself I use DVI from my PC to my TV and a HD cable from my XBox 360 to my TV, my son has 2 options he trades off with. He has a 21" widescreen LCD monitor with the DVI adapter from his 360 to his monitor, then he has the normal cables that came with his 360 for just his regular 27" TV. He has friends over so if PC games are played he just plays on his TV with normal cables. The nice thing is we have 2 PC's and 2 360's set up on a network that allows us to share everything. He downloads game videos to his PC or I do and he is able to watch them on his 27" TV through his 360 which use to be you had to use s-video to do something like that. So easy now to also be connected in some way with all 4 at the same time. Quality is very nice on a standard TV. I have a 62" DLP TV and his 21" LCD looks so smooth and very clear colors compared to my DLP. Just many option available now with a very low cost to do something great with your systems | |
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Oakland, CA | Cancel My Cable Serivce? Does this mean I can cancel my cable service and use iptv instead? or is it in conjunction with my cable service? confused. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Cancel My Cable Serivce? first, you have to be on a area that is iptv is offered. (ATT or VZ for example) Then, ATT or VZ will offered you this option. I believe ATT will be the first one to try it out. | |
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>> From thunor.spaces.live.com:
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In talking to Microsoft today at their booth I discovered that the Podcasts speculation that this really won't be all that different from current cable TV is correct:
* The service will be offered in the US thorugh AT&T's lightspeed, which provides 35Mbps in bandwidth to the home. So AT&T would replace your local cable company and ISP.
* This bandwidth should be enough for 2 HD channels and 2 SD channels to be viewed simultaneously. The service will be comparable to existing cable offerings, only the provider will be AT&T.
* Availablity will be determined by AT&T's buildout of infratructure up to the last mile (The last mile will remain copper.).
* The service will be available with a regular set top box that is not an Xbox 360. However, with an Xbox 360 you get some nice features like the ability to access Xbox live (e.g. chat, accept game invitations) while wathing TV.
* For homes with an existing home network, your router will need to be replaced with a router that has special QOS (qulaity of service) features that enable the system to work well.
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Mesquite, TX | Re: Xbox-scene Info 35MB? I think that's a typo....Uverse ("AT&T's Lightspeed") is currently being offered at 25MB total. Perhaps by the time this launches they will offer more (one can only hope). | |
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clickwir
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| not new More like "MS finally thinks broadband will be upto speed for this release of the Xbox, for IPTV"
MS had full intentions of the original XBOX to be an IPTV box, but broadband was too slow then. It's now getting to the point where it might be feesable within the next year or two that there will be enough bandwidth at peoples home to make it a reality.
This isn't a "grand strategy", MS created the XBOX to be a media center in the first place. Gaming is just what they knew would get it sold and into peoples homes. To get a foot hold.
To be a media center box was their plain out in the open plan ever since the original xbox.
Oh, and Wii and PS3 are right there waiting for broadband to catch up too. It's not like MS is doing something new. | |
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